[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Yeah but in their prime (Kidd, Nash) you can’t say they were more athletic than Jeremy Lin.
Stockton, Chauncey Billups, Mark Price, Bob Cousy.
You’re starting to sound like scj with your ‘game of probabilities’ line of thinking. [/quote]
Kidd was more athletic than Lin.
It’s not a ‘game of probabilities’ - probabilities are an accurate reflection of reality.
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28 points, 14 assists and 5 steals IS reality.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Lets see I’m not going to rank them in any particular order just consider them above average:
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Deron Williams
Tyreke Evans
Derrick Rose
John Wall
Monta Ellis
Jrue Holliday
Rajon Rondo
Mike Conley
Brandon Jennings
Tony Parker
Would rank Lin ahead of any of these PGs in terms of athleticism?[/quote]
LOL 75% of that list consists of guys who have never been on a winning squad before.
A lot of those guys would be better suited trying to learn how to play point guard instead of jacking up 25 shots and shooting 35%.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I’ll take that action…remember why his turnovers are so High as well.[/quote]
why?[/quote]
He is playing close to 40 minutes a game and has the ball in his hands 90 percent of the time . 8 to’s is too much I agree but considering the above mentioned and the constant trapping its understandable
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Hold up Im being a realist as well, I dont think he will be a superstar pg, but Raj isnt being a hater when he says that Lin is only going to be a backup please…what has he shown you where he is going to be a backup??? I dont where that Raj comment makes sense. Lin played great today, he is getting trapped and pressured ALL the time.
No on here is saying that Lin is saying Lin is going to be the next Derrick Rose, all IM saying is that the possibility of him becoming a very good starting PG is very possible.
With you “realists” the only games that will count are the ones where he will lose. When they play the Heat I would venture to guess the Knicks will lose, and all the “realists” you mentioned will be chomping at the bit to shit on him. How come this game doesent count? Dallas isnt a good defensive team, havent they been streaking as well?
Like I said earlier espescially with Raj he isnt a realist he is a pessimist when it comes to Lin and alot of it has to do with his hate of NY teams (yankees and knicks) so he is not being realistic.[/quote]
It’s a result of my analysis of his skill set.
How many relatively slow non-athletic PGs turn into above average PGs? Are they the exception or the rule?
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Lin is non-athletic? Do you even know how much athleticism is required for the body control he displays while crashing the lane? Obviously he’s not lebron, but he’s clearly NOT non-athletic.
You say a lot of crazy shit. It sounds like you subjectively reach a conclusion and then look for ways to support it instead of looking at something objectively and drawing a conclusion based on the observation. [/quote]
Agreed. ESPN did one of those sport science things on him, turns out he’s just as fast as John Wall. Steve Nash/John Stockton were never world class athletes and yet they turned out to be some of the greatest PGs of all time. Lin is big enough at 6’3 200 to take contact in the lane and still finish. He’s quick enough off the dribble to penetrate on any team in the league.
Note that I’m not comparing him to Steve Nash or John Stockton, just pointing out that pure athleticism is not the be all-end all measure of a good PG. If anything I’d say Lin plays like a Tony Parker.
You also can’t deny the kid is clutch. He’s hit several cold blooded 3’s to close out games.
If lin ends up being a 12 and 8 guy on a winning team ill take that over Montana ellises stats and no winning
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Hold up Im being a realist as well, I dont think he will be a superstar pg, but Raj isnt being a hater when he says that Lin is only going to be a backup please…what has he shown you where he is going to be a backup??? I dont where that Raj comment makes sense. Lin played great today, he is getting trapped and pressured ALL the time.
No on here is saying that Lin is saying Lin is going to be the next Derrick Rose, all IM saying is that the possibility of him becoming a very good starting PG is very possible.
With you “realists” the only games that will count are the ones where he will lose. When they play the Heat I would venture to guess the Knicks will lose, and all the “realists” you mentioned will be chomping at the bit to shit on him. How come this game doesent count? Dallas isnt a good defensive team, havent they been streaking as well?
Like I said earlier espescially with Raj he isnt a realist he is a pessimist when it comes to Lin and alot of it has to do with his hate of NY teams (yankees and knicks) so he is not being realistic.[/quote]
I’m not champing at the bit at all. I haven’t watched any extended play so I’m reserving my opinion. I just know that he’s on his third team, was undrafted, bounced around the D-league and is in the midst of a small stretch of games in a truncated-crazy-scheduled season and playing without the team’s two studs.
He can obviously play; but that was decided when he made a roster. The question is, whether the talent evaluators that didn’t draft him, planted him at the end of the bench and sent him to the d-league are right and this is an aberration, or if he’s real.
I have faith in the evaluators. You don’t get sent to the D-league for no reason. If he turns out to be a full time starter over the course of the next few seasons, it will be a remarkable story.
My guess is that he’ll be on a roster, but not a starting PG. My guess is that a healthy Baron David may displace him. [/quote]
Are these the same evaluators that traded Kobe Bryant for Vlade Divac, passed on Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Dirk Nowitzki and the million superstars in history that weren’t picked at the top of the draft, traded for nothing or just over looked?[/quote]
Poor argument.
Lin wasn’t merely “passed” upon in the draft. He’s on his 3rd team and he’s a d-league vet. HUGE difference.
And, the draft is not a science. Still does not apply to Lin.
So yes, I’ll trust the numerous scouts, assistants and coaches that traded Lin, and sent him to the D-league over a short game stint of good performance under unusual circumstances.
Everyone in the league can play. I know this but maybe it’s why you’re so enamored with this short stint of decent performance - I say “decent” b/c it’s not “insanity” of even “linsanity” when you factor in the turnovers.
If he can maintain the production, drastically cut down the turnovers and continue to produce throughout next season, I’ll be a believer.
Right now though, if I were a betting man (and I am), I’d say even money he doesn’t finish THIS season as the starting PG.
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You are seriously underselling what he’s achieved in this stretch. He isn’t just “hot”, he’s breaking records left and right. Since his breakout game he’s the league’s leading scorer.
And if you would actually watch the games instead of looking at the box score and making judgements you’d realize the turnovers aren’t that bad. The kid has the ball in his hands 80% of the time and D’Antoni has him out there nearly the entire game. He played 45 freaking minutes today.
As Matty has pointed out, his stats don’t even tell the whole story. The Knicks’ offense grinds to a screeching halt when he’s on the bench. The Mavs double teamed him the ENTIRE game and he still managed 28 points and 14 assists. Magic Johnson is on board, Steve Nash is on board, Jon Barry said today he’s on board. People who know what is up think this kid is amazing. Why some people continue to hate on him is beyond me.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Yeah but in their prime (Kidd, Nash) you can’t say they were more athletic than Jeremy Lin.
Stockton, Chauncey Billups, Mark Price, Bob Cousy.
You’re starting to sound like scj with your ‘game of probabilities’ line of thinking. [/quote]
Kidd was more athletic than Lin.
It’s not a ‘game of probabilities’ - probabilities are an accurate reflection of reality.
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28 points, 14 assists and 5 steals IS reality. [/quote]
Right? How can anybody argue that any D League scrub can come into the league and just stumble into a 28/14/5 game?
He isn’t just playing well people, he’s playing at a level never before seen from a guy with his background. Never ever in the history of basketball.