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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Fucking 5-0 and you guys are just chomping at the bit to watch him fail, get real. Fucking 5-0 with no proven offensive scorers in your starting 5…fucking 5-0 beating the lakers (yes I know there not the same) and then traveling the next day to beat a non push over team in the Timberwolves.
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Well said![/quote]

Damn Knicks fans! Do you have any idea how annoying it is to see story after story about a team you are completely indifferent about? That’s really what is being rallied against, not Lin himeslf.

To me the real stories this year so far are: Rubio and Kyrie Irving blowing it up as rooks; Philly and Indiana surprising in the East; How the Nuggets AND Knicks seem to get better when they lose Melo; The Clippers (Signing K-Mart was huge for a team giving PF minutes to Brian Cook, they are contenders now); James Harden’s evolution (might be the 2nd best PnR operator behind Chris Paul); how it’s possible for an NBA team to be as bad as the Bobcats; prob a bunch I missed.

Those are all things I’d rather talk about than Jeremy Lin having a good 5-game stretch. Make sense?[/quote]

The thing is, he’s not just “having a good 5 game stretch”, HE’S SCORED MORE POINTS IN HIS FIRST 4 STARTS THAN ANYONE ELSE SINCE THE NBA/ABA MERGER. Not Dr. J, not Moses Malone, not Michael Jordan, not Kobe Bryant, not Allen Iverson… NO ONE has scored more than this kid has in his first 4 starts in the 30-some odd years since the merger. That is fucking insane. And, we’re not talking about some can’t miss prospect, we’re talking about an undrafted basketball minority with barely average physical gifts for his position DETONATING on the league. This guy has been shit on and passed around since he came out of college, and when the chance to show he belongs finally presents itself he fucking crushes it. The way he’s performing right now is truly mind boggling. Is he going to continue to play like the greatest scoring pg in league history? No fucking way. Has he proven he belongs in the league and that he can run a team effectively and that he’s earned a starting nod? No questions asked. Quit hating on the kid and enjoy what he’s doing. We won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Fucking 5-0 and you guys are just chomping at the bit to watch him fail, get real. Fucking 5-0 with no proven offensive scorers in your starting 5…fucking 5-0 beating the lakers (yes I know there not the same) and then traveling the next day to beat a non push over team in the Timberwolves.
[/quote]
Well said![/quote]

Damn Knicks fans! Do you have any idea how annoying it is to see story after story about a team you are completely indifferent about? That’s really what is being rallied against, not Lin himeslf.

To me the real stories this year so far are: Rubio and Kyrie Irving blowing it up as rooks; Philly and Indiana surprising in the East; How the Nuggets AND Knicks seem to get better when they lose Melo; The Clippers (Signing K-Mart was huge for a team giving PF minutes to Brian Cook, they are contenders now); James Harden’s evolution (might be the 2nd best PnR operator behind Chris Paul); how it’s possible for an NBA team to be as bad as the Bobcats; prob a bunch I missed.

Those are all things I’d rather talk about than Jeremy Lin having a good 5-game stretch. Make sense?[/quote]

The thing is, he’s not just “having a good 5 game stretch”, HE’S SCORED MORE POINTS IN HIS FIRST 4 STARTS THAN ANYONE ELSE SINCE THE NBA/ABA MERGER. Not Dr. J, not Moses Malone, not Michael Jordan, not Kobe Bryant, not Allen Iverson… NO ONE has scored more than this kid has in his first 4 starts in the 30-some odd years since the merger. That is fucking insane. And, we’re not talking about some can’t miss prospect, we’re talking about an undrafted basketball minority with barely average physical gifts for his position DETONATING on the league. This guy has been shit on and passed around since he came out of college, and when the chance to show he belongs finally presents itself he fucking crushes it. The way he’s performing right now is truly mind boggling. Is he going to continue to play like the greatest scoring pg in league history? No fucking way. Has he proven he belongs in the league and that he can run a team effectively and that he’s earned a starting nod? No questions asked. Quit hating on the kid and enjoy what he’s doing. We won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.
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I guess, but it’s the mathematician in me. I don’t see “his first 5 games” as anything different than if he were to get a hot 5-game stretch after starting 20 games. The fact that it happened in his first 5 instead of his 21st-26th games isn’t much of a difference to me. Plus, I don’t really care much about “points scored” as a stat without knowing accompanying stats (i.e. 100pts on 200 shots is less impressive than 100pts on 50 shots… 100 pts in and of itself is meaningless).

All that said, it is a bigger deal than I’ve wanted it to be, I’ll freely admit that. I was way more mad about it when it had only been 2 games and he was getting the same hype. 5 games is definitely more impressive.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Fucking 5-0 and you guys are just chomping at the bit to watch him fail, get real. Fucking 5-0 with no proven offensive scorers in your starting 5…fucking 5-0 beating the lakers (yes I know there not the same) and then traveling the next day to beat a non push over team in the Timberwolves.
[/quote]
Well said![/quote]

Damn Knicks fans! Do you have any idea how annoying it is to see story after story about a team you are completely indifferent about? That’s really what is being rallied against, not Lin himeslf.

To me the real stories this year so far are: Rubio and Kyrie Irving blowing it up as rooks; Philly and Indiana surprising in the East; How the Nuggets AND Knicks seem to get better when they lose Melo; The Clippers (Signing K-Mart was huge for a team giving PF minutes to Brian Cook, they are contenders now); James Harden’s evolution (might be the 2nd best PnR operator behind Chris Paul); how it’s possible for an NBA team to be as bad as the Bobcats; prob a bunch I missed.

Those are all things I’d rather talk about than Jeremy Lin having a good 5-game stretch. Make sense?[/quote]

You can still talk about all that stuff if you want, I’m all ears. But we’re living in Lin-sanity right now, he’s the story at this moment. There’s a lot of time between now and season end to discuss all the stuff you mentioned.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Fucking 5-0 and you guys are just chomping at the bit to watch him fail, get real. Fucking 5-0 with no proven offensive scorers in your starting 5…fucking 5-0 beating the lakers (yes I know there not the same) and then traveling the next day to beat a non push over team in the Timberwolves.
[/quote]
Well said![/quote]

Damn Knicks fans! Do you have any idea how annoying it is to see story after story about a team you are completely indifferent about? That’s really what is being rallied against, not Lin himeslf.

To me the real stories this year so far are: Rubio and Kyrie Irving blowing it up as rooks; Philly and Indiana surprising in the East; How the Nuggets AND Knicks seem to get better when they lose Melo; The Clippers (Signing K-Mart was huge for a team giving PF minutes to Brian Cook, they are contenders now); James Harden’s evolution (might be the 2nd best PnR operator behind Chris Paul); how it’s possible for an NBA team to be as bad as the Bobcats; prob a bunch I missed.

Those are all things I’d rather talk about than Jeremy Lin having a good 5-game stretch. Make sense?[/quote]

The thing is, he’s not just “having a good 5 game stretch”, HE’S SCORED MORE POINTS IN HIS FIRST 4 STARTS THAN ANYONE ELSE SINCE THE NBA/ABA MERGER. Not Dr. J, not Moses Malone, not Michael Jordan, not Kobe Bryant, not Allen Iverson… NO ONE has scored more than this kid has in his first 4 starts in the 30-some odd years since the merger. That is fucking insane. And, we’re not talking about some can’t miss prospect, we’re talking about an undrafted basketball minority with barely average physical gifts for his position DETONATING on the league. This guy has been shit on and passed around since he came out of college, and when the chance to show he belongs finally presents itself he fucking crushes it. The way he’s performing right now is truly mind boggling. Is he going to continue to play like the greatest scoring pg in league history? No fucking way. Has he proven he belongs in the league and that he can run a team effectively and that he’s earned a starting nod? No questions asked. Quit hating on the kid and enjoy what he’s doing. We won’t see anything like this again in our lifetime.
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In fairness, there needs to be an asterisk next to what he is doing for a number of reasons; (1) He’s not a drafted starter and therefore, no one knew much about him. After players and defenses have time to adjust, we will get a better measure of him; (2) this is a lock-out shortened season with a kamikaze schedule that is leaving teams tired and players injured or nicked and banged up. This is NOT the NBA at its best; (3) He was inserted into the lineup of (a) a very dysfunctional team and, (b) a team that was missing both its superstars.

I think Lin can play (from the little I’ve seen), but I do believe with the above considerations, his 4 game stats come with an asterisk and it’s entirely fallacious and misleading to even mention his name in the same sentence, let alone make any comparison whatsoever between him and Iverson et als.

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^^^ Jesus man, somehow what this kid is doing is still lost on you and you’re using your math skills as a beard for your hate game. Awesome.

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Their all playing the same schedule, no asterisk is needed, its not like the opposing players are playing with their hands tied behind their backs. If there is any asterisk to be put on his play, it should be that he is winning with NBA journeymen as his teammates. Bill Walker, Jared jeffries, and Landry Fields? Shit if he wasnt passing the balls to JJ he would not only be averaging 20 pts a game but also 15 assists a game.

dont worry though the knicks will do something retarded and trade him.

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http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

informative read on Lins contract status

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Their all playing the same schedule, no asterisk is needed, its not like the opposing players are playing with their hands tied behind their backs. If there is any asterisk to be put on his play, it should be that he is winning with NBA journeymen as his teammates. Bill Walker, Jared jeffries, and Landry Fields? Shit if he wasnt passing the balls to JJ he would not only be averaging 20 pts a game but also 15 assists a game.

dont worry though the knicks will do something retarded and trade him. [/quote]

I disagree. He’s been riding the pine most of the season. So they are not “playing the same schedule” in a true sense. And there is still an asterisk for the reasons I mentioned; he’s not going to average those points when the superstars return.

And by the way, it’s very likely they won’t be able to retain him. They do not own his bird rights. If someone wants to pay him more than the mid-level exception, he is most certainly gone inasmuch as the Knicks are over the cap.

So I have two words of advice for you my friend: Don’t get too attached to him or what he’s doing right now. His current product will not stay at this level and, he will unlikely be a knick next year if his production stays reasonably high and he remains competent.

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Try and read this without laughing

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34822113

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The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…

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I would say it is very realistic to think that Lin can avg 13pts 8 assists and 2 steals a game when the knicks are at full health, that is what Iam hoping for and do not think Im going crazy here.

992

Lin will get exposed tomorrow against the Raptors.

993

Hey, crazy statements are my area of expertise raj…

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…[/quote]

How am I wrong when I said they can only offer him the mid level exception? If someone wants to pay more (which is x of around $5m) he’s gone.

What am I missing?

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Hey, crazy statements are my area of expertise raj…[/quote]

lol - we’ll see!

On Sunday they came back against the Lakers after being down 18. Unfortunately Kobe did his thing in the last 2min of the game. They beat the Celtics the previous game.

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So who wants to drop $4800 for Jeremy Lin’s middle school yearbook which is signed?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jeremy-Lin-Authentic-Signed-Autograph-Yearbook-JLS-Middle-School-2001-Photo-/200712794660?pt=US_Basketball_Fan_Shop&hash=item2ebb6a3224#ht_720wt_1131

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…[/quote]

How am I wrong when I said they can only offer him the mid level exception? If someone wants to pay more (which is x of around $5m) he’s gone.

What am I missing?
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He’s restricted so Knicks can match anything anybody offers.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…[/quote]

How am I wrong when I said they can only offer him the mid level exception? If someone wants to pay more (which is x of around $5m) he’s gone.

What am I missing?
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From how I am understanding it, he is restricted plus he falls under the Arenas provision where other teams are limited on how much they can offer him, from what I understand from the article the knicks will be able to retain because of these restrrictions. Teams will not be able to offer more than the 5 mil exception.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…[/quote]

How am I wrong when I said they can only offer him the mid level exception? If someone wants to pay more (which is x of around $5m) he’s gone.

What am I missing?
[/quote]

The last statement said some about the Knicks being able to go over the luxury cap where they cannot be outbid.

I don’t follow the contract/CBA side of the NBA so you’ll have to excuse me if I’m wrong here but can’t the Knicks offer Lin a multi-year contract that pushes them over the luxury cap in the scenario they REALLY want him?

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
The knicks can offer the midlevel exception so your wrong.

The Knicks can offer both exceptions to lin, the mid level or the Bi annual exception.

See below

“Where the Knicks luck out is the fact that both Lin and Fields, since they?re coming off their initial two-year contracts (while the Knicks did not gain Lin?s Early Bird Rights, they at least did inherit his original two-year contract), they are both restricted free agents this year. Not only that, but they are governed by the so-called ?Gilbert Arenas Provision.? This limits the amount of money other teams can offer either Lin or Fields to a maximum starting salary of the average NBA salary (roughly $5 million).”

http://knickerblogger.net/finally-a-definitive-answer-on-jeremy-lins-contract-status/

I dont expect Lin to keep these numbers up but I do expect him to be an effective facilitator of the basketball which he has shown he could do with subpar talent by his side. If Melo decides to buy in, this could be a very effective offensive tri-fecta.

So for the reasons cited there is an excellent chance the Knicks retain him…[/quote]

How am I wrong when I said they can only offer him the mid level exception? If someone wants to pay more (which is x of around $5m) he’s gone.

What am I missing?
[/quote]

From how I am understanding it, he is restricted plus he falls under the Arenas provision where other teams are limited on how much they can offer him, from what I understand from the article the knicks will be able to retain because of these restrrictions. Teams will not be able to offer more than the 5 mil exception.[/quote]

I read differently in the NY Post today.