God I dont want the Knicks to sign Baron Davis…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I like to think of the absolute scrubs he had on his team and how he turned them into somewhat noteworthy players. To name a few…
Bill Wennigton
Horace Grant (extremely overrated)
Luc Longley (he got some ridonkulous contracts after his stay with the Bulls)
Stacey King (awful)
InvisiBill Cartwright (a good offensive center with the knicks, hugged on Jordans nuts for the rest of his career)
Steve Kerr (puuhlease)
Jack Haley (I kinda liked him)
Randy Brown (BUUURICK CITY)
Jo Jo English (I think he won a championship with this pussy)
Will Perdue (hate this MFer)
He actually won championships with this filth. He did it as much with his head and his guile as his physical ability. The best ever for me.[/quote]
The funny thing is that ALL of those dudes could play. They obviously couldn’t sustain it for long periods against the best, but each and every one of those dudes were ball players. Some (most) guys in the league are niche guys, in that they fit a specific role (Kerr a marksman, Brown a stopper) but they all had game. [/quote]
Dude with the exception of possibly Cartwright, Grant and Brown these guys are garbage time players or big men with 5 fouls to give…Scotty Brooks was Steve Kerr, Scotty Brooks never played with Jordan so everyone thinks he was just a coach, Kerr is thought of as some integral piece and he wasnt, you put any other decent shooting guard in his place and nothing gets worse it all stays the same. All of those guys became noteworthy players because of Jordan.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I like to think of the absolute scrubs he had on his team and how he turned them into somewhat noteworthy players. To name a few…
Bill Wennigton
Horace Grant (extremely overrated)
Luc Longley (he got some ridonkulous contracts after his stay with the Bulls)
Stacey King (awful)
InvisiBill Cartwright (a good offensive center with the knicks, hugged on Jordans nuts for the rest of his career)
Steve Kerr (puuhlease)
Jack Haley (I kinda liked him)
Randy Brown (BUUURICK CITY)
Jo Jo English (I think he won a championship with this pussy)
Will Perdue (hate this MFer)
He actually won championships with this filth. He did it as much with his head and his guile as his physical ability. The best ever for me.[/quote]
The funny thing is that ALL of those dudes could play. They obviously couldn’t sustain it for long periods against the best, but each and every one of those dudes were ball players. Some (most) guys in the league are niche guys, in that they fit a specific role (Kerr a marksman, Brown a stopper) but they all had game. [/quote]
Dude with the exception of possibly Cartwright, Grant and Brown these guys are garbage time players or big men with 5 fouls to give…Scotty Brooks was Steve Kerr, Scotty Brooks never played with Jordan so everyone thinks he was just a coach, Kerr is thought of as some integral piece and he wasnt, you put any other decent shooting guard in his place and nothing gets worse it all stays the same. All of those guys became noteworthy players because of Jordan.
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Couldn’t disagree more. I’m from Houston, I saw a lot of (or as much as one could) of Brooks. He was no Steve Kerr. I’m not saying Kerr was an All-Star if he’d just played more, but the dude had more game than you’re giving him credit for. Unlimited range, jumper set on auto, quicker than people think and didn’t make mistakes. He also hit some big shots in his career.
Ehhh I watched brooks play with the Knicks and Mavs for the most part, and when he played because of injury he was fucking everywhere and overall IMO had a better skill set then Kerr. He was a bit player before he hit Chicago and a bit player afterwards. While Brooks is a scrub, Kerr was also he just got lucky.
While I do disagree with you WF I love that we are having a debate about who was a better player Brooks or Kerr…lol awesome.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Ehhh I watched brooks play with the Knicks and Mavs for the most part, and when he played because of injury he was fucking everywhere and overall IMO had a better skill set then Kerr. He was a bit player before he hit Chicago and a bit player afterwards. While Brooks is a scrub, Kerr was also he just got lucky.
While I do disagree with you WF I love that we are having a debate about who was a better player Brooks or Kerr…lol awesome.[/quote]
Haha, we might be the only two dudes to have ever done that. I always liked Brooks (was on the Rockets '94 title team), just never really got to see a lot of him.
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no.[/quote]
I dont think any person with half a functional brain would argue against this.
LBJ is a physical freak/specimen but he obviously doesn’t have “it” like some of the other greats.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I guess it isn’t a coincidence a lot of the greatest athletes of all-time had/have their fair share of baggage - MJ, Ali, Kobe, Magic, etc.
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Not sure what you mean by baggage. I know MJ, Kobe and Magic had a maniacal desire to be the best. Magic would shoot a few hundred shots a day and wonder if Bird shot more. MJ was maniacal in everything he did - hated to lose at anything.
I’m not sure what baggage you’re referring to with Ali. Ali was really very much a political figure as much as a boxer given the time that he boxed and given the then expectations of how a black athlete was to behave. I see Ali as much victim as anything. Put aside his act (which WAS an act and which he DID steal from “pro”-wrestling) and I wonder what baggage you refer to?
Ali boxed at a time when they expected black athletes to shut the fuck up and behave. He absolutely was targeted for induction to the Army because of his mouth and his not “behaving”. He found Islam at a time with the NOI when the NOI was regarded little more than a hate group or the equivalent to home grown terrorists. Fucking mainstream media would not even acknowledge his name change for the longest, insisting on referring to him as Cassius Clay. He lost his prime boxing years to the litigation over his refusal to enter the draft. He fought at a time when boxing WAS VERY CORRUPT (it still is). As a result of the shit that conspired against him, the man fought for too long and paid for it dearly with his health.
His most poignant words were “I don’t have to be what you want me to be” and that perhaps best summed up the whole of Ali.
No, I don’t think Ali had “baggage”, I think he had to carry the “baggage” of America at the time.
Kobe came from a great family by the way. His father Joe was a great guy and played on my summer pro league team for a few years while he was still playing professionally in Italy at age 41. How’s that for genetics??![/quote]
Yeah you caught me out on that word. I was actually struggling trying to phrase that comment but baggage kind of fits all the stuff you’ve kind of been talking about with MJ and etc. You yourself said MJ has character flaws, so does Magic. It’s baggage in the sense that if it came out with evidence it would harm their public reputation. Kobe’s stuff has tarnished his image with some people forever. Ali had baggage because a lot of people, even to this today don’t like him and even call him a ‘pussy’ for dodging service. There was a thread in the combat section of this forum a few months ago and some people were dismissing Ali like that.
I’m adding to your point that a lot of these immortal athletes aren’t perfect but their perceived imperfections are actually what made/make them great.
Generally speaking on the behind the scenes stuff though, it really isn’t our business unless it enters the public domain either from the people themselves or from reputable sources. Even though you’ve talked about how Magic was a mack or whatever that doesn’t change my perception of his legacy - as a stand up guy who’s done a lot for AIDS awareness or take away from anything he’s done on the court. Same for Jordan.
I didn’t think much of his HOF speech and I’m still kind of sceptical that he treated everyone like shit. He was maybe arrogant but he never got into any trouble and really, how can you bring down a man who can back up his smack. In some post-match interviews and a few interviews on Letterman back in the day he sounds like an intelligent, charismatic guy and a perfect ambassador for the game, which could explain why people had a better opinion of the NBA then compared to now.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
Since you’re here and seem ready to fire off no-B.S straight talk could you give some input on the physical comparison between MJ and Kobe. WF and I had a major argument a while back where I basically said Jordan in his hay-days is more physically dominant than Kobe in his. Physical specimen being an aggregation of attributes like speed, agility, strength, power, jumping and dunking ability.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
Since you’re here and seem ready to fire off no-B.S straight talk could you give some input on the physical comparison between MJ and Kobe. WF and I had a major argument a while back where I basically said Jordan in his hay-days is more physically dominant than Kobe in his. Physical specimen being an aggregation of attributes like speed, agility, strength, power, jumping and dunking ability.[/quote]
I think MJ and Kobe are very similar physically. I haven’t watched Kobe much to be honest but my impression from the little I’ve seen is that Jordan was a bit more apt to go to the hole for contact and tough baskets?
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
Since you’re here and seem ready to fire off no-B.S straight talk could you give some input on the physical comparison between MJ and Kobe. WF and I had a major argument a while back where I basically said Jordan in his hay-days is more physically dominant than Kobe in his. Physical specimen being an aggregation of attributes like speed, agility, strength, power, jumping and dunking ability.[/quote]
I think MJ and Kobe are very similar physically. I haven’t watched Kobe much to be honest but my impression from the little I’ve seen is that Jordan was a bit more apt to go to the hole for contact and tough baskets?
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Prime Kobe is different than Current Kobe. Kobe can’t really jump over people with reckless abandon anymore (he can in spots, but not consistently). He’s not terribly dissimilar from slightly-past-his-prime Jordan who abused smaller guards with post moves on the low block. He play a similar (not identical) game just at a lower level. Flash will call me a hater but I don’t think calling someone worse than Jordan is hating… or else I would be hating on everyone who’s ever played basketball besides Jordan himself.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I like to think of the absolute scrubs he had on his team and how he turned them into somewhat noteworthy players. To name a few…
Bill Wennigton
Horace Grant (extremely overrated)
Luc Longley (he got some ridonkulous contracts after his stay with the Bulls)
Stacey King (awful)
InvisiBill Cartwright (a good offensive center with the knicks, hugged on Jordans nuts for the rest of his career)
Steve Kerr (puuhlease)
Jack Haley (I kinda liked him)
Randy Brown (BUUURICK CITY)
Jo Jo English (I think he won a championship with this pussy)
Will Perdue (hate this MFer)
He actually won championships with this filth. He did it as much with his head and his guile as his physical ability. The best ever for me.[/quote]
The funny thing is that ALL of those dudes could play. They obviously couldn’t sustain it for long periods against the best, but each and every one of those dudes were ball players. Some (most) guys in the league are niche guys, in that they fit a specific role (Kerr a marksman, Brown a stopper) but they all had game. [/quote]
Dude with the exception of possibly Cartwright, Grant and Brown these guys are garbage time players or big men with 5 fouls to give…Scotty Brooks was Steve Kerr, Scotty Brooks never played with Jordan so everyone thinks he was just a coach, Kerr is thought of as some integral piece and he wasnt, you put any other decent shooting guard in his place and nothing gets worse it all stays the same. All of those guys became noteworthy players because of Jordan.
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Couldn’t disagree more. I’m from Houston, I saw a lot of (or as much as one could) of Brooks. He was no Steve Kerr. I’m not saying Kerr was an All-Star if he’d just played more, but the dude had more game than you’re giving him credit for. Unlimited range, jumper set on auto, quicker than people think and didn’t make mistakes. He also hit some big shots in his career.
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Steve Kerr has two of the top-5 single season three point percentages of all time, and three of the top 10. No other player in NBA history even has two seasons in the top 10. He also has the highest all-time 3p%. I’d call that valuable.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_season.html
Sorry I missed out on the last few pages.
This CP3 business is fucking stupid. How is NOH a more valuable franchise to potential owners if they keep a star who is leaving for nothing after this year? God I have gone from indifferent-to-kinda-liking Stern to vehemently hating him in a short time.
They are asking for a king’s ransom from LAC when no one else is bidding on Paul. THEY HAVE NO LEVERAGE. If I was running LAC, I’d say you can have Minnys 1st rd pick, our 1st pick, Bledsoe/Aminu/Kaman’s expiring and no Gordon. Don’t like it without Gordon? Good luck finding better.
Kwame signed with GSW for $7mil for 1 year.
I don’t even…
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
Since you’re here and seem ready to fire off no-B.S straight talk could you give some input on the physical comparison between MJ and Kobe. WF and I had a major argument a while back where I basically said Jordan in his hay-days is more physically dominant than Kobe in his. Physical specimen being an aggregation of attributes like speed, agility, strength, power, jumping and dunking ability.[/quote]
I think MJ and Kobe are very similar physically. I haven’t watched Kobe much to be honest but my impression from the little I’ve seen is that Jordan was a bit more apt to go to the hole for contact and tough baskets?
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Prime Kobe is different than Current Kobe. Kobe can’t really jump over people with reckless abandon anymore (he can in spots, but not consistently). He’s not terribly dissimilar from slightly-past-his-prime Jordan who abused smaller guards with post moves on the low block. He play a similar (not identical) game just at a lower level. Flash will call me a hater but I don’t think calling someone worse than Jordan is hating… or else I would be hating on everyone who’s ever played basketball besides Jordan himself.
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In their primes, they were very similar. Jordan handled [maybe even wanted] contact better, was more apt to put people on his hip in the post and was stronger, where Bryant is a better ball handler, outside shooter and has a much better left hand. Physicall, they were quite similar. Bryant took what Jordan did and added a little to it, 'cause as bad as Mike was [GOAT, hands down], he wasn’t going baseline and windmilling or doing 360’s in traffic. Kobe was.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
During the “AND 1” boom of the early millenium Kenny Smith wrote an article talking about this. There were several playground cats bitching that they should be in the league, and some had singled Kerr out. Smith’s exact words were “Don’t get it twisited, Steve Kerr will give you 50”. These dudes can PLAY, and like I said, guys like Kerr may serve a niche role, but don’t sleep.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
During the “AND 1” boom of the early millenium Kenny Smith wrote an article talking about this. There were several playground cats bitching that they should be in the league, and some had singled Kerr out. Smith’s exact words were “Don’t get it twisited, Steve Kerr will give you 50”. These dudes can PLAY, and like I said, guys like Kerr may serve a niche role, but don’t sleep. [/quote]
Kenny Smith is absolutely right. LOL @ the dudes in the playground thinking they could make it. Not. We’d get them all the time in the pro-am summer leagues and they’d without exception always be over their head and lost.
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The guys that actually get a look and get close have a gripe. Sometimes it’s a matter of “right place right time” other times it’s political (yes believe it or not it is e.g. Matt Maloney, Houston Rockets. I used to shit on him on the regular.) and other times it’s literally winning a “beauty contest” among a few players of similar skill.
I have old classmates and teammates gripe for me to this day (I refuse to gripe b/c I absolutely positively fucked up) and I get tired of hearing it…I can’t imagine what it’s like for some playground superstar (LOL) to sit around with a straight face and think he should be in the league b/c he thinks he can shit on a Steve Kerr.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Steve Kerr could have walked into any gym in the country and played in any summer league/mens league/pro am leauge and dumped 50 on them. He was not a “scrub”.
What Jordan did was allow roles players to be effective in their roles. Some cliched talking-head would claim he “made them better”. No. No one “makes another player better”. But some players, like Jordan, allowed certain guys to flourish in their role.
Steve Kerr was a role player. And he was the right tool, at the right time, for that team.
You can apply the same analysis for many of those other players named as well.
As far as sheer physical specimen, LBJ IS Jordan’s superior. He’s not quicker than Jordan, but his upside physically is bigger. The question is does he have Jordan’s heart or Jordan’s maniacal drive to be the absolute best?
I say here and now the answer is no. He proved that when he went to play Robin to Wade’s Batman. He’s quite comfortable being number 2 or 1/2 of number 1. They do not, in my opinion, have the same mental make-up and that’s what made Jordan Jordan. [/quote]
Since you’re here and seem ready to fire off no-B.S straight talk could you give some input on the physical comparison between MJ and Kobe. WF and I had a major argument a while back where I basically said Jordan in his hay-days is more physically dominant than Kobe in his. Physical specimen being an aggregation of attributes like speed, agility, strength, power, jumping and dunking ability.[/quote]
I think MJ and Kobe are very similar physically. I haven’t watched Kobe much to be honest but my impression from the little I’ve seen is that Jordan was a bit more apt to go to the hole for contact and tough baskets?
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Prime Kobe is different than Current Kobe. Kobe can’t really jump over people with reckless abandon anymore (he can in spots, but not consistently). He’s not terribly dissimilar from slightly-past-his-prime Jordan who abused smaller guards with post moves on the low block. He play a similar (not identical) game just at a lower level. Flash will call me a hater but I don’t think calling someone worse than Jordan is hating… or else I would be hating on everyone who’s ever played basketball besides Jordan himself.
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Well since Jordan is retired it is axiomatic that a prime to prime comparison must be made 
No two players are identical but I agree pretty much with WF’s assessment. Kobe had a better handle and jump shot. There is no doubt about that. I think Jordan had a more developed post game and probably a higher basketball IQ over his career (credit North Carolina) although Kobe was no slouch IQ wise (he grew up around the game and practiced against pro players at a young age). I don’t think he played “at a lower level”. Jordan is more accomplished, individually and team honors, but as far as their physical make-up and skills, they were very similar. I also think Kobe has “it” - that mean streak, that will to win…heart, whatever you want to call it. He definitely has it. I do think Kobe was slightly more acrobatic giving WF’s observation its proper due.
But really, when players are this close physically and skill set, it’s a beauty contest. Those that are fans of Kobe will want to see Kobe compared favorably to Jordan. Those who worship at the alter of Jordan as GOAT will not hear such heresy
At the end of the day, their games were close. But given the way Kobe is wearing down now, he will not pass Jordan in accomplishment, individual or otherwise. Jordan retains the throne.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
I like to think of the absolute scrubs he had on his team and how he turned them into somewhat noteworthy players. To name a few…
Bill Wennigton
Horace Grant (extremely overrated)
Luc Longley (he got some ridonkulous contracts after his stay with the Bulls)
Stacey King (awful)
InvisiBill Cartwright (a good offensive center with the knicks, hugged on Jordans nuts for the rest of his career)
Steve Kerr (puuhlease)
Jack Haley (I kinda liked him)
Randy Brown (BUUURICK CITY)
Jo Jo English (I think he won a championship with this pussy)
Will Perdue (hate this MFer)
He actually won championships with this filth. He did it as much with his head and his guile as his physical ability. The best ever for me.[/quote]
The funny thing is that ALL of those dudes could play. They obviously couldn’t sustain it for long periods against the best, but each and every one of those dudes were ball players. Some (most) guys in the league are niche guys, in that they fit a specific role (Kerr a marksman, Brown a stopper) but they all had game. [/quote]
Dude with the exception of possibly Cartwright, Grant and Brown these guys are garbage time players or big men with 5 fouls to give…Scotty Brooks was Steve Kerr, Scotty Brooks never played with Jordan so everyone thinks he was just a coach, Kerr is thought of as some integral piece and he wasnt, you put any other decent shooting guard in his place and nothing gets worse it all stays the same. All of those guys became noteworthy players because of Jordan.
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Couldn’t disagree more. I’m from Houston, I saw a lot of (or as much as one could) of Brooks. He was no Steve Kerr. I’m not saying Kerr was an All-Star if he’d just played more, but the dude had more game than you’re giving him credit for. Unlimited range, jumper set on auto, quicker than people think and didn’t make mistakes. He also hit some big shots in his career.
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Steve Kerr has two of the top-5 single season three point percentages of all time, and three of the top 10. No other player in NBA history even has two seasons in the top 10. He also has the highest all-time 3p%. I’d call that valuable.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_career.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg3_pct_season.html[/quote]
Jesus, Kerr shot almost 51% from the old line in 89-90. Not sure how many of ya’ll have shot an actual NBA 3, but as BG can attest, it’s DEEP. To be able to do that in the flow of a game throughout an entire season is mind boggling.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Kenny Smith is absolutely right. LOL @ the dudes in the playground thinking they could make it. Not. We’d get them all the time in the pro-am summer leagues and they’d without exception always be over their head and lost.
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didnt you know that there are guys in the playground right now that would be better than MJ and Kobe if they just had the same opportunities as those other guys?