NBA Free Agency/Offseason: The Return

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
James has completely fucked up his image, and I don’t think he really knows it yet.[/quote]

I just don’t think he cares.

Everyone wanted him to be the next unstoppable scorer, another one of those guys completely consumed with winning-my-way (ie. Jordan and Bryant) but James has brought all that to an abrupt halt.

James decided to let everyone know he could care less about being “the man” and is just fine being one of the guys. Heck he prob does average a trip-dub this year and I know I’m rooting for that.

Public perceptions be damned basically, and that’s pretty refreshing IMO.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
James has completely fucked up his image, and I don’t think he really knows it yet.[/quote]

I just don’t think he cares.

Everyone wanted him to be the next unstoppable scorer, another one of those guys completely consumed with winning-my-way (ie. Jordan and Bryant) but James has brought all that to an abrupt halt.

James decided to let everyone know he could care less about being “the man” and is just fine being one of the guys. Heck he prob does average a trip-dub this year and I know I’m rooting for that.

Public perceptions be damned basically, and that’s pretty refreshing IMO.[/quote]

I agree that putting winning above all else is a good attitude and I do like to see that but the way he went about it all really shows the opposite. He basically said “yeah i’m all about winning but hey everyone look at me!” all at the same time. That was a douche move IMO

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[ That’s worse than when athletes call themselves “soldiers”. These people need to be more aware of their place in society. They’re entetainers. Highly paid entertainers[/quote]

yeah I cant stand that stuff man. Especially UFC fighter guys who say they’re “warriors.” “going to war.” “In a battle out there” I hate that shit. you’re not a fucking warrior going to war. Thats kind of a slap in the face to the real warriors who are overseas bleeding and dying so that these athletes can sit back here in the US and get paid a lot of money to play a sport. Its definitely a pet peeve of mine from since I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time overseas and seen/done things these “warriors” couldn’t even comprehend… Such bullshit.

Ok end Rant :slight_smile:

back to basketball

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
James has completely fucked up his image, and I don’t think he really knows it yet.[/quote]

I just don’t think he cares.

Everyone wanted him to be the next unstoppable scorer, another one of those guys completely consumed with winning-my-way (ie. Jordan and Bryant) but James has brought all that to an abrupt halt.

James decided to let everyone know he could care less about being “the man” and is just fine being one of the guys. Heck he prob does average a trip-dub this year and I know I’m rooting for that.

Public perceptions be damned basically, and that’s pretty refreshing IMO.[/quote]

Yeah, after looking at the way it was done and thinking about it, this was intentional even with the change in his image. He wants all the pressure off him, even if it means sacrificing the glory.

I don’t think he was planning on the backlash being this bad, but he was no doubt expecting it after he gave up on trying to be like Mike, and gave up on Cleveland.

And about the triple double, LeBron could easily average 10 APG running Miami’s offense, so if he can manage 10 RPG it’s a definite possibility. That’s always been one of his goals, along with a ring and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
T, took the survey last night. That was well put together. Y’all hear Jordan diss James’ move to South Beach? he said in not so many words that James is a pussy for doing it. Awesome.[/quote]
this cracked me up,
bird mj and magic were never friends
their contracts never expired at the same time
they weren’t part of the same draft class
larry and magic had already won
bosh isn’t comparable to magic or larry

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
T, took the survey last night. That was well put together. Y’all hear Jordan diss James’ move to South Beach? he said in not so many words that James is a pussy for doing it. Awesome.[/quote]
this cracked me up,
bird mj and magic were never friends
their contracts never expired at the same time
they weren’t part of the same draft class
larry and magic had already won
bosh isn’t comparable to magic or larry[/quote]

I agree with you. Haha.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
T, took the survey last night. That was well put together. Y’all hear Jordan diss James’ move to South Beach? he said in not so many words that James is a pussy for doing it. Awesome.[/quote]
this cracked me up,
bird mj and magic were never friends
their contracts never expired at the same time
they weren’t part of the same draft class
larry and magic had already won
bosh isn’t comparable to magic or larry[/quote]

Even you can’t be so dense you missed his point… Or can you?

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But yes I get his point. I just don’t fully agree with it. But we already tried to debate this in the last thread. No need to go there again :stuck_out_tongue:

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Mike Wilbon brought this up and basically said it’s new school vs old school mentality.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.[/quote]

Almost choked trying to keep my drink in my mouth reading that. Attempted murder, callin da police.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
And about the triple double, LeBron could easily average 10 APG running Miami’s offense, so if he can manage 10 RPG it’s a definite possibility. That’s always been one of his goals, along with a ring and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.[/quote]

say James averages 18, 10, and 12 over 80 games and MIA gets the 1 or 2 seed? don’t they have to give him MVP again? what about 16, 10, 14 over 82 games?

Not outrageous to envision something like this unfolding…

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
And about the triple double, LeBron could easily average 10 APG running Miami’s offense, so if he can manage 10 RPG it’s a definite possibility. That’s always been one of his goals, along with a ring and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.[/quote]

say James averages 18, 10, and 12 over 80 games and MIA gets the 1 or 2 seed? don’t they have to give him MVP again? what about 16, 10, 14 over 82 games?

Not outrageous to envision something like this unfolding…[/quote]

There’s two ways to look at that. One: Larry Bird thought the triple double was the most useless “stat” in basketball. He said he could do it every night if that’s what he focused on, but that’s not what his team needed. Two: No one in the modern era has done it. Jordan came close a couple of times, James has come close a couple of times, and Grant Hill almost did it as well. That fact alone would sway a lot of voters, kinda like James chase down blocks swayed the voters to put him on the all defensive team despite the fact that he’s an average at best man defender. I seriously doubt he gets a triple double for the season either way. Despite his size he’s not known to mix it up. I can see him at 22, 10 & 8.

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[quote]sardines12 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
T, took the survey last night. That was well put together. Y’all hear Jordan diss James’ move to South Beach? he said in not so many words that James is a pussy for doing it. Awesome.[/quote]
this cracked me up,
bird mj and magic were never friends
their contracts never expired at the same time
they weren’t part of the same draft class
larry and magic had already won
bosh isn’t comparable to magic or larry[/quote]

Dude, you are so fucking gay for Lebron it’s not even funny. Go read fucking Yahoo Sports, ESPN, and Sports Illustrated. They all say Lebron took the easy way out. The only one who doesn’t see this is your millenial fucking retarded brain. Magic, Larry and MJ were “friends”. Friends in the 80s and 90s meant I respected you off the court but I wanted to kill you on the court. Not this millenial “let’s everyone be friends” gayness that happens these days. Give it a rest butt plugger.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
And about the triple double, LeBron could easily average 10 APG running Miami’s offense, so if he can manage 10 RPG it’s a definite possibility. That’s always been one of his goals, along with a ring and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.[/quote]

say James averages 18, 10, and 12 over 80 games and MIA gets the 1 or 2 seed? don’t they have to give him MVP again? what about 16, 10, 14 over 82 games?

Not outrageous to envision something like this unfolding…[/quote]

yes, it is. Everyone is talking like a triple double is a possibility with this guy for a season. I’ll bet any amount of money this does not happen. At any point in his career from here on out. Guaranteed. Even if he tries really really hard.

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[quote]lavi wrote:
randman, what has Kobe said about the Miami trio?[/quote]

He didn’t say much of anything, like I expected. All he said is that they will be a formidable team to deal with. That’s it. He doesn’t have to say anything else. Everyone is saying this guy is coming out smelling like roses after LeGay’s douche “I’m no leader” move.

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So…

when does football season start? Go Pats!

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
Interesting article on the potential effects on the league and it’s perception of greatness after the LeBron trade:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/07/16/lebron/index.html

Basically they’re saying that Jordan redefined the notion of greatness by himself, and that before MJ great individual players were looked over in favour of winning team oriented players [think Wilt Chamberlain vs. Bill Russel]. Jordan early on in his career was lumped into that category of great individual players who couldn’t win it all, but changed that by winning all over the place.

If James opts to be more like Magic and less like MJ [the two guys he was always compared to, anyway], this will turn out to be a smashing success. It seemed like he always wanted to be more of a Magic type player, so this isn’t hard to imagine at all. Wade would be the go to scorer, with James and Bosh being secondary options, but James would be the undisputed runner of the offense.

And if this team ended up being the dominant team of this decade, the NBA would revert to it’s old standards of judging players.

I don’t really agree with the article but it did bring up some good points/perspective. One thing is, MJ’s the GOAT no contest, yet there’s no clear cut #2. And MJ is considered THAT much better than whoever is #2 anyway. That will NOT change. The reason for that is because MJ did both, he was a dominant shoot-first individual player and he led his team to rings, too. No other player before him can really say that [Bird was a great passer]. You were either one or the other [in Wilts case, one and THEN the other].

The only guy after him who fits that description is Kobe, and only in the past two years. Before that he was another guy who won as one of the big players on a talented squad, but could win as undisputed leader. If anybody from this generation creeps up to be #2 it’s Kobe, and that’s saying something considering Tim Duncan has had almost as good a career.

If James wants to be Magic, he’s volunteered for being less than GOAT, because Magic isn’t even the consensus pick for 2nd best ever. So it’s still disappointing that he chose this route. If he wanted to get past Boston he should have developed a better outside game. Boston’s D is perfect for stopping people trying to score from closer to the net, but they have no answer for good outside shooting. And anyone who say the last two games of that series knew that this was a man who was not confident him his shooting. He couldn’t score in the paint but he kept going there and resorted to some bad passes to get himself out of trouble.[/quote]

Holy sh!t, I didnt read any of it but I applaud you for actually writing that much.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
So…

when does football season start? Go Pats![/quote]

Hell yeah! I’m right there with you. I like a lot of the signings the Pats made in the offseason. After getting it in the ass from Baltimore in last year’s playoffs and being manhandled; Belichick basically signed all positions with guys that a) had massive size and b) were leaders on their respective teams and had football IQs. I’m really excited for this team come the fall.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
and being a billionaire athlete. But it’s gonna be hard for him to get that third one without divorcing Tiger Woods.[/quote]

Almost choked trying to keep my drink in my mouth reading that. Attempted murder, callin da police.[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

Holy sh!t, I didnt read any of it but I applaud you for actually writing that much.[/quote]

hehe, I have a feeling you`re not the only one who skips over the essay posts.