[quote]therajraj wrote:
Any word on the severity of Harden’s injury if any?[/quote]
Officially a concussion, but he’s day to day according to the Thunder so it had to be a minor one(although they are sitting him for the final 2 games regardless of said day to day progress).
Not to defend MWP, but Harden clearly baited him.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
James Harden Flop - YouTube!
Not to defend MWP, but Harden clearly baited him.[/quote]
Clearly. I mean it is rare that players get in each others way on change of possessions and bump each other. It probably only happens like 20 times a game.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
James Harden Flop - YouTube!
Not to defend MWP, but Harden clearly baited him.[/quote]
Clearly. I mean it is rare that players get in each others way on change of possessions and bump each other. It probably only happens like 20 times a game.[/quote]
Harden wasn’t taking the inbound pass. Westbrook was. And even if Harden was, he would be getting as far away from MWP as possible. MWP has a history of stealing inbound passes, so you wouldn’t go right up next to him. Harden has a history of doing this.
Breaking News: Metta World Peace suspended for 7 games for elbow to Thunder’s James Harden.
Seems fair enough.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
James Harden Flop - YouTube!
Not to defend MWP, but Harden clearly baited him.[/quote]
Clearly. I mean it is rare that players get in each others way on change of possessions and bump each other. It probably only happens like 20 times a game.[/quote]
Harden wasn’t taking the inbound pass. Westbrook was. And even if Harden was, he would be getting as far away from MWP as possible. MWP has a history of stealing inbound passes, so you wouldn’t go right up next to him. Harden has a history of doing this.[/quote]
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but yours is fucking retarded.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
James Harden Flop - YouTube!
Not to defend MWP, but Harden clearly baited him.[/quote]
Clearly. I mean it is rare that players get in each others way on change of possessions and bump each other. It probably only happens like 20 times a game.[/quote]
Harden wasn’t taking the inbound pass. Westbrook was. And even if Harden was, he would be getting as far away from MWP as possible. MWP has a history of stealing inbound passes, so you wouldn’t go right up next to him. Harden has a history of doing this.[/quote]
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but yours is fucking retarded.[/quote]
Tough guys.
^^^ Dude, you’re an idiot. Artest was flexing and screaming. The last thing on his mind was the inbounds pass. Harden was running and gave him a bump, which as Sam said happens countless times a game. I do believe that Artest was so pumped that he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing or what was going on, but that’s the problem.
That was supposed to be a “get the fuck off me” elbow, but it was to an unsuspecting dudes head. What if he hit him in the temple? That could’ve turned out WAY worse, and Artest has a history of this shit. 7 games isn’t enough, he needs to miss the rest of the season, if not more. The guy is clearly not all there, and he’s gonna wind up REALLY hurting somebody one day. I’ve said for years he’s way more trouble than he’s worth for a variety of reasons, but this was ridiculous. The league needs to get rid of him.
7 games is pretty much unprecedented from the NBA for something that didn’t include a fight or punches thrown. I think it should’ve been more but there was no perfect answer, they were kind of in uncharted waters with this incident and had to set a new kind of standard.
It will be funny when the Lakers are actually better when they give those minutes to Barnes.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Dude, you’re an idiot. Artest was flexing and screaming. The last thing on his mind was the inbounds pass. Harden was running and gave him a bump, which as Sam said happens countless times a game. I do believe that Artest was so pumped that he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing or what was going on, but that’s the problem.
That was supposed to be a “get the fuck off me” elbow, but it was to an unsuspecting dudes head. What if he hit him in the temple? That could’ve turned out WAY worse, and Artest has a history of this shit. 7 games isn’t enough, he needs to miss the rest of the season, if not more. The guy is clearly not all there, and he’s gonna wind up REALLY hurting somebody one day. I’ve said for years he’s way more trouble than he’s worth for a variety of reasons, but this was ridiculous. The league needs to get rid of him.[/quote]
Enough with the name calling. This is the internet. It doesn’t make you tough, and it doesn’t strengthen your argument. I never defended Artest’s elbow, yet you focused your entire post on Artest? All I did was state my disgust with Harden. This wasn’t accidental contact. Harden had no business getting near Artest. Westbrook is the point guard, and the guy who was going to take the inbound pass. Harden should’ve been heading the opposite direction. Even if somehow Harden got confused that he wasn’t the point guard (yeah right) and thought he should take the inbound pass, he would be going AWAY from the defender. Not TOWARDS the defender. That’s a basic concept in multiple sports. Combine that with the fact that he’s used similar tactics before, and he looks pretty guilty. I’d advise you to watch the video I posted. His acting wasn’t as good on that one, and he wasn’t dealing with somebody who is notorious for anger problems. Perhaps you would understand more where I’m coming from.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Dude, you’re an idiot. Artest was flexing and screaming. The last thing on his mind was the inbounds pass. Harden was running and gave him a bump, which as Sam said happens countless times a game. I do believe that Artest was so pumped that he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing or what was going on, but that’s the problem.
That was supposed to be a “get the fuck off me” elbow, but it was to an unsuspecting dudes head. What if he hit him in the temple? That could’ve turned out WAY worse, and Artest has a history of this shit. 7 games isn’t enough, he needs to miss the rest of the season, if not more. The guy is clearly not all there, and he’s gonna wind up REALLY hurting somebody one day. I’ve said for years he’s way more trouble than he’s worth for a variety of reasons, but this was ridiculous. The league needs to get rid of him.[/quote]
Enough with the name calling. This is the internet. It doesn’t make you tough, and it doesn’t strengthen your argument. I never defended Artest’s elbow, yet you focused your entire post on Artest? All I did was state my disgust with Harden. This wasn’t accidental contact. Harden had no business getting near Artest. Westbrook is the point guard, and the guy who was going to take the inbound pass. Harden should’ve been heading the opposite direction. Even if somehow Harden got confused that he wasn’t the point guard (yeah right) and thought he should take the inbound pass, he would be going AWAY from the defender. Not TOWARDS the defender. That’s a basic concept in multiple sports. Combine that with the fact that he’s used similar tactics before, and he looks pretty guilty. I’d advise you to watch the video I posted. His acting wasn’t as good on that one, and he wasn’t dealing with somebody who is notorious for anger problems. Perhaps you would understand more where I’m coming from.[/quote]
Your argument sounds like it’s coming from someone with zero basketball experience. Yeah, Harden flops and can be a pain in the ass. But, what he did was something that happens LITERALLY a dozen or more times a game. He bumped a dude who was celebrating. He didn’t shove him, or punch him, or even bump him that hard. He just gave him a little bump and Artest unloaded and elbow to his ear. What you’re complaining about is one of the dumber things I’ve read in awhile, and makes little to no sense.
Agreed, it’s pretty common to see what Harden did.
One guy has a sick finish and an opponent simply gets in his way (ie. makes him go around him) as everyone starts heading the other way. And usually the offensive player will bang shoulders with the opponent as he goes by too, and that’s that.
Pretty rough to see Artest lose his mind (again) and yeah, my exact thought was same as was already mentioned: Thank God that it didnt catch Harden in the temple area.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Dude, you’re an idiot. Artest was flexing and screaming. The last thing on his mind was the inbounds pass. Harden was running and gave him a bump, which as Sam said happens countless times a game. I do believe that Artest was so pumped that he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing or what was going on, but that’s the problem.
That was supposed to be a “get the fuck off me” elbow, but it was to an unsuspecting dudes head. What if he hit him in the temple? That could’ve turned out WAY worse, and Artest has a history of this shit. 7 games isn’t enough, he needs to miss the rest of the season, if not more. The guy is clearly not all there, and he’s gonna wind up REALLY hurting somebody one day. I’ve said for years he’s way more trouble than he’s worth for a variety of reasons, but this was ridiculous. The league needs to get rid of him.[/quote]
Enough with the name calling. This is the internet. It doesn’t make you tough, and it doesn’t strengthen your argument. I never defended Artest’s elbow, yet you focused your entire post on Artest? All I did was state my disgust with Harden. This wasn’t accidental contact. Harden had no business getting near Artest. Westbrook is the point guard, and the guy who was going to take the inbound pass. Harden should’ve been heading the opposite direction. Even if somehow Harden got confused that he wasn’t the point guard (yeah right) and thought he should take the inbound pass, he would be going AWAY from the defender. Not TOWARDS the defender. That’s a basic concept in multiple sports. Combine that with the fact that he’s used similar tactics before, and he looks pretty guilty. I’d advise you to watch the video I posted. His acting wasn’t as good on that one, and he wasn’t dealing with somebody who is notorious for anger problems. Perhaps you would understand more where I’m coming from.[/quote]
Your argument sounds like it’s coming from someone with zero basketball experience. Yeah, Harden flops and can be a pain in the ass. But, what he did was something that happens LITERALLY a dozen or more times a game. He bumped a dude who was celebrating. He didn’t shove him, or punch him, or even bump him that hard. He just gave him a little bump and Artest unloaded and elbow to his ear. What you’re complaining about is one of the dumber things I’ve read in awhile, and makes little to no sense.[/quote]
It astounds me the immaturity you have displayed in each post thus far. Half of the things you have written have been random, uncalled for insults. If this is how you act in person, then look no further for the reason you have no friends.
Regardless, I’ll once again remind you that I don’t defend Artest’s elbow. For some reason you keep going back that. I believe that is what’s called a strawman argument. All I said was that Harden baited him. From what I can see, you agreed with that in your post (albeit with a different, much ruder choice of words), so I’m assuming this discussion need not continue.
And I played high school basketball for one of the best teams in my state for a coach who is now in the hall of fame. I also played AAU ball at the highest level in the state (and occasionally out of the state), and am currently playing in a men’s league which includes several guys who played college/pro basketball. My brother is also a high school basketball coach just for good measure.
[quote]chillain wrote:
Agreed, it’s pretty common to see what Harden did.
One guy has a sick finish and an opponent simply gets in his way (ie. makes him go around him) as everyone starts heading the other way. And usually the offensive player will bang shoulders with the opponent as he goes by too, and that’s that.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with that. It is pretty common for guys doing that to draw a cheap foul. Regardless, he was trying to draw a foul, and got what he wanted (and then some). This is just purely my guess, but I also feel pretty confident in saying that Harden played that up (similar to what he’s done in the past, ex: watch Tyson Chandler video). I highly doubt he would have sat out tonight if it were a playoff game. In fact, I don’t even think he would’ve missed the second half. I’ll eat my words if he sits out game 1 of the playoff series. He won’t, though.
AND ONCE AGAIN, this is about my disgust of Harden. Not my defense of Artest.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^ Dude, you’re an idiot. Artest was flexing and screaming. The last thing on his mind was the inbounds pass. Harden was running and gave him a bump, which as Sam said happens countless times a game. I do believe that Artest was so pumped that he wasn’t fully aware of what he was doing or what was going on, but that’s the problem.
That was supposed to be a “get the fuck off me” elbow, but it was to an unsuspecting dudes head. What if he hit him in the temple? That could’ve turned out WAY worse, and Artest has a history of this shit. 7 games isn’t enough, he needs to miss the rest of the season, if not more. The guy is clearly not all there, and he’s gonna wind up REALLY hurting somebody one day. I’ve said for years he’s way more trouble than he’s worth for a variety of reasons, but this was ridiculous. The league needs to get rid of him.[/quote]
Enough with the name calling. This is the internet. It doesn’t make you tough, and it doesn’t strengthen your argument. I never defended Artest’s elbow, yet you focused your entire post on Artest? All I did was state my disgust with Harden. This wasn’t accidental contact. Harden had no business getting near Artest. Westbrook is the point guard, and the guy who was going to take the inbound pass. Harden should’ve been heading the opposite direction. Even if somehow Harden got confused that he wasn’t the point guard (yeah right) and thought he should take the inbound pass, he would be going AWAY from the defender. Not TOWARDS the defender. That’s a basic concept in multiple sports. Combine that with the fact that he’s used similar tactics before, and he looks pretty guilty. I’d advise you to watch the video I posted. His acting wasn’t as good on that one, and he wasn’t dealing with somebody who is notorious for anger problems. Perhaps you would understand more where I’m coming from.[/quote]
Your argument sounds like it’s coming from someone with zero basketball experience. Yeah, Harden flops and can be a pain in the ass. But, what he did was something that happens LITERALLY a dozen or more times a game. He bumped a dude who was celebrating. He didn’t shove him, or punch him, or even bump him that hard. He just gave him a little bump and Artest unloaded and elbow to his ear. What you’re complaining about is one of the dumber things I’ve read in awhile, and makes little to no sense.[/quote]
It astounds me the immaturity you have displayed in each post thus far. Half of the things you have written have been random, uncalled for insults. If this is how you act in person, then look no further for the reason you have no friends.
Regardless, I’ll once again remind you that I don’t defend Artest’s elbow. For some reason you keep going back that. I believe that is what’s called a strawman argument. All I said was that Harden baited him. From what I can see, you agreed with that in your post (albeit with a different, much ruder choice of words), so I’m assuming this discussion need not continue.
And I played high school basketball for one of the best teams in my state for a coach who is now in the hall of fame. I also played AAU ball at the highest level in the state (and occasionally out of the state), and am currently playing in a men’s league which includes several guys who played college/pro basketball. My brother is also a high school basketball coach just for good measure.[/quote]
? Jesus Christ you’re sensitive. There wasn’t one personal attack there yet somehow you still got offended. I said your argument makes no sense, and it doesn’t. Notice how no one else is agreeing with you? And, no, I don’t agree that Harden baited him. He did something that happens -again- DOZENS OF TIMES A GAME. He wasn’t in his face or talking shit, he bumped him. Hell, there’s NO WAY Artest could’ve even known it was Harden. If you’re “fed up with Harden” then you need to be fed up with LITERALLY every pro ball player, 'cause they ALL do what he did. It wasn’t even an unecessarily rough or aggressive bump. It was literally just a simple shoulder bump during the flow of the game. But, with the way you’re reacting to this discussion it’s not surprising you get up in arms over the most common of basketball occurences. Good luck in your league.
[quote]Eielson wrote:
[quote]chillain wrote:
Agreed, it’s pretty common to see what Harden did.
One guy has a sick finish and an opponent simply gets in his way (ie. makes him go around him) as everyone starts heading the other way. And usually the offensive player will bang shoulders with the opponent as he goes by too, and that’s that.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with that. It is pretty common for guys doing that to draw a cheap foul. Regardless, he was trying to draw a foul, and got what he wanted (and then some). This is just purely my guess, but I also feel pretty confident in saying that Harden played that up (similar to what he’s done in the past, ex: watch Tyson Chandler video). I highly doubt he would have sat out tonight if it were a playoff game. In fact, I don’t even think he would’ve missed the second half. I’ll eat my words if he sits out game 1 of the playoff series. He won’t, though.
AND ONCE AGAIN, this is about my disgust of Harden. Not my defense of Artest.[/quote]
You do realize Harden has already been cleared to play, right?
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Anyone predicting any upsets in the first round.
I kinda sorta want to pick DAL over OKC even though I know that’s crazy
Kobe playing in a meaningless game tonight to go for the scoring title. I feel like that sums up his character pretty well.
Honestly I don’t root for injuries, but if I did, I would root for him to break his ankle tonight. Every other starter is resting, he just recently was injured bad enough to miss games (and therefore could use a night off), but he wants to jack up 30 shots for one more scoring title on his resume.
^^ For the record, I think Kobe has had a remarkable season. But this is just silly. It’s important enough to win the scoring title that you’re willing to take a chance at being in worse shape for the playoffs? (Freak injury, etc. are unlikely but possible). The TEAM has nothing to gain from a win.