Freddy Jay? He’s the same ol, sam ol. Slap your self a pro slick. You aint got to lay no big rap on me. You know what I always say. Lay em down and yack em, slap em.
This post got really long, but this really pisses me off. I’m a middle class white boy and I think Nas is the fuckin’ man. If you guys ever get a rap CD, get Stillmatic. Especially the songs “My Country,” “What Goes Around,” and “One Mic.” A lot of white people don’t like rap because of the sexism and murder/drug talk. White women in particular. I don’t blame them. But if you can get past the rhetoric, GOOD rap is a great illustration of the lives of many blacks and inner city kids in general, black or whatever. Most importantly, it’s an incredible expression of the frustration and anger that blacks and others feel about America and their social role in our country. And last time I checked, music was all about expression.
And when I say “good” rap, I include most rappers, but they all have good and not so good songs. One of the ways you can tell it’s good is that it’s not played on the radio–too controversial and thought-provoking. If you judge rap based on what you hear on popular radio and see on MTV, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Popular rap is controversial because it’s vulgar, but in comparison to the less popular and more expressive stuff, it’s like comparing the Kenny G to the Beatles (and if you like Kenny G, you shouldn’t even be at this forum) It’s really a shame that the popular music industry paints such an inaccurate and demeaning picture of rap by only feeding listeners the stuff with the least artistic merit. It’s even worse that most listeners don’t ask for anything more.
Plus, the music’s getting better. Earlier rap was a little limited, more electronic. Rap artists seem to be branching out more, using styles from hip-hop, but also blues, latino rhythms, and even rock.
I would also challenge anybody here that doesn’t rap to try and write a good rap. Hell, try and write a good Haiku. It’s difficult, let along to rap the whole thing without screwing up the lyrics.
Just because you talk shit and say “yo” a lot doesn’t mean you’re an idiot.
Chess: could you translate for me?
'rap artist' = oxymoron
It was a line from the movie Airplane. Two black guys were speaking jive and the stewardess asked if anyone spoke jive. A black gentleman then said,“excuse me stewardess,I speak jive.”
“Can I get you something?”
“Chi, mo’ fo buttuh layin’ into the bone, ‘sjackin’ me up. Tightly.”
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“I’m sorry, I don’t understand.”
“Cut he say can’t hang.”<p.
“Oh stewardess? I speak Jive.”
“Oh, good.”
“He said that he’s in great pain, and he wants to know if you can help him.”
“Alright, would you tell him to just relax and I’ll be back as soon as I can with some medicine.”
“Jes’ hang loose, blood. She gonna catch up on the rebound on the med side.”
“What it is, big mama, my mama didn’t raise no dummies, I dug her rap.”
“Cut me some slack, Jack!”<p.
[Volley of Jive talkin’]
“Chump don’t want no help, chump don’t get no help.”
“Say can’t hang, say seven up.”
“Jive ass dude don’t got no brains, anyhow.”
Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. I love obscure movie quotes. I really hate to perpetuate this stupid nonsense thread by bumping it (yo), but the Airplane reference made me laugh.
Just my 2 cents, Tupac was not that great of an artist. Some of his songs were good, but that’s maybe half, at best. After Juice, He started acting like he was straight from the movie. Biggie was good, but someone on the streets thought that they should kill him to ‘rep’ their coast. It wasn’t a major beef, as Biggie didn’t really feel that he and Tupac were enemies, despite what Pac said. Jay-Z and Nas are both just two pop cats that are trying to regain their street cred, which shouldn’t be too hard as young pop culture (white, black, urban or rural) are just sheep who follow marketing schemes. I don’t know who said it, but rap hasn’t been good since 93? Not sure why you’re saying that as I think you were referring to Biggie and Tupac dying, which wasn’t till sept 98 and march 99. But you must have forgot about Big L, Big Pun, Canibus, G-Rap, Kane, rakim, etc. And Hip-hop has always incorporated Jazz, latin, blues, etc. Unfortunately, any artform, when exposed to pop culture, loses it’s luster and you get morons who decide to make remarks concerning something that marketing only allows to be seen.
Actually, it was the “Leave it to Beaver” Mom who said that. (Barbara Billingsley)It was a very funny scene. 
How dare you insult pro wrestling by comparing it to hip-hop!!
Dubs- from Blink 182’s chestire cat? I guess i am one of those upper middle class white kids (17) growing on the “mean streets” of long island. I listen to a lot of rap (biggie, tu pac, jay-z, nas, etc.) do I feel I am a victim of what mass media and the entertainment business dictates to me? Absolutely NO, why because I would never play a CD now that i have CD burner, do i watch BET (when I do watch TV) and listen to HOt 97, sometimes, why i enjoy all types of music, from zepplin to snoop and everything in between. Would I ever talk like a rapper, never yo, to me people who talk in that manner sound retarded.
TenyearsGone: it was an old white lady (who closely resembled my grandmother) who spoke jive…
Wow, I need to get in on this shit. Yo, Erik I am a middle class white boy too, and I don’t hate rap for its vulgarity, shit I listen to stuff that talks about cuttin’ people up they are called Cannibal Corpse. And that part about white chicks not listening to rap, what the hell are you thinking? I know a shit load of white middle class girls that listen to rap. what the shit, how did all of this bullshit on this fuckin thread get started anyway? Oh well, this is fun.
Sup nehpews and niggets! Big snoop dogg came to party. I got my bitches and ho’s. I keep it crackin like pistachios. we just came here to have a good time, me and my niggas in the sunshine
First of all the whole thing with Jayz and Nas, is just a bunch of crap. Who really cares if these wo dont like each other. First of all they are two rich and spoiled artist who need something to do and to try to act hard again. In reality most of these rappers talk about there ghetto life and how they wanted to get out of the hood and get money. Then when they do they still act as if they have no sense. All rap today honestly sucks and has no real meaning. In the begining it was about something, now its about Cristal and Bently’s, now how many kids from the hood or upper class people can really relate. I understand that some of this rap is party and fun music which is cool, but I hate when these rappers get up and tak about there hood and what not when they dont do shit for them. Pac and Big were both amazing artists and we true rap fans really miss them. It was ok for pac to talk like a thug because in part that was him and that was his act, and with BIG he was the player. But now everyone out is a thug or player and that is shitty because it is all crap. It is so played out now
I stand corrected it was June Cleaver(Beaver’s Mom) whoi spoke jive. My memory must be getting bad at the ripe old age of 33!
Not saying anyone here has to like rap… I happen to like it, but a lot of it downright sucks these days. However, like it or not, rap is here to stay… it’s far from a passing fad
Pretty much all music that we know of today in the U.S. pretty much stemmed from jazz… a mixture of ragtime, marching band music, and blues. Many people used to think of it as a passing fad; not to mention that it was considered unacceptable since nearly all of its originators were black.
Since then, however, jazz has morphed to create a number of different genres in music. I think rap will have a similar impact. Hell, it already has. There are so many rap-hybrids right now that I’m sure it will find its way into many others before it’s all through. The complex rhythms (both musical and phonetic) of rap have become mainstays in music. And if nothing else, I think you’ll find that it has created some of the best producers in music has seen.
just an aside to sak.you do live out where all the craziness is.I live out here i Katy where it’s nice and quiet.anyway, nice to see someone else in H-town out here.