I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
I didn’t bother to read the thread, so apologies if this has been covered. But has your insurance ever “gone down?” How does this increase relate to your previous increases?
Don’t bother to answer if you don’t feel like it. [/quote]
No, my insurance has never gone down. This increase is more troubling because the President screamed while thumping his chest, “your current plan won’t go up with this bill !” Remember that part ? [/quote]
I will be the first to admit when I’m wrong, Max…but no…I don’t remember the President saying this. He did say "You will be able to keep your insurance/the insurance you have…but I never remember him saying anything about direct price controls on private companies.
Also, only certain provisions of the Health Reform bill have even kicked in. Some may have added to your increase…but most is a result of the spiraling cost of Health Care.
If the President said " the cost of your plan would not go up" (which I really doubt)…I stand corrected.
Mufasa[/quote]
Perhaps foolishly, I scanned this thread after my post to see if it was responded to. I may have missed something, so apologies if so.
Is this thread just venting and blaming “government” or “Obama” for a major problem that exists (spiraling costs of HC?). If so, I understand. I certainly find it “settling” at times to find an “enemy” and blame it. If not though, why not respond to the “meat” of my question and why ignore Mufasa’s post here?
Again, if I missed your response, apologies. And again, if you don’t feel like responding, please don’t. Have a nice day. [/quote]
And, just for shits and giggles…
oh no he di int!
2 snaps and a twist
Max I respect you and all but this is only one case and it’s early. Has the HC plan even gone into effect yet? If your premium is still higher than it was before in 2-3 years then you’ll have a valid point.
On a different point and playing devils advocate here (b/ this is a place where we should be able to debate) wasn’t like half of that enormous spending bill tax cuts/tax credits?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Max I respect you and all but this is only one case and it’s early. Has the HC plan even gone into effect yet? If your premium is still higher than it was before in 2-3 years then you’ll have a valid point.
On a different point and playing devils advocate here (b/ this is a place where we should be able to debate) wasn’t like half of that enormous spending bill tax cuts/tax credits?[/quote]
I am only responsible for myself, I don’t know who else’s insurance rates have gone up. But since I can only scream about the shit the happens to me, I will. I doubt I am the first, or the last.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome. [/quote]
You also flip a shit whenever someone suggests a solution to the problem. You want to cry bloody murder when someone suggests shit food not continue to be quick cheap and easy? Fine. You live with the consequences, one of which is higher health insurance.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome. [/quote]
You also flip a shit whenever someone suggests a solution to the problem. You want to cry bloody murder when someone suggests shit food not continue to be quick cheap and easy? Fine. You live with the consequences, one of which is higher health insurance.[/quote]
No, that is the consequence of government meddling and those two are definitely not the same.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Max I respect you and all but this is only one case and it’s early. Has the HC plan even gone into effect yet? If your premium is still higher than it was before in 2-3 years then you’ll have a valid point.
On a different point and playing devils advocate here (b/ this is a place where we should be able to debate) wasn’t like half of that enormous spending bill tax cuts/tax credits?[/quote]
No the week after this passed our company had training sessions specifically explaining how the bill would affect our coverage and increase the cost while decreasing the coverage. But that somehow it was still a good thing.
if you don’t change your oil and your car craps the bed, you don’t expect teh government to tax others to fix it for you, or the shop to increase prices to an unreasonable rate so they don’t have to charge you, but health care is a mandatory right. even if you don’t put anything into the system.
These discussions are really starting to dumbfound me. How anyone thinks they have a right to get a power to take from someone and give thatto someone who has done nothing to deserve it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome. [/quote]
You also flip a shit whenever someone suggests a solution to the problem. You want to cry bloody murder when someone suggests shit food not continue to be quick cheap and easy? Fine. You live with the consequences, one of which is higher health insurance.[/quote]
No, that is the consequence of government meddling and those two are definitely not the same.
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Nope. Its the consequence of a society designed to make people fat and unhealthy (a major example being the ease and cheapness of shit food). Sick people cost health insurance carriers more money, and to make up for it they raise everyones costs.
But of course nothing will get done, people will scream “personal responsibility!”, Americans will get fatter and health care willget more expensive. Just you watch.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
Brother Chris:
I spoke of poor people, you talk of Maximus as if the things he did were because he was wealthy, that means that poor people don’t have those luxuries.
No I didn’t. I didn’t say anything about poor people. I said he had the coverage and the money to pay the extra - for which he was billing Obama.
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Please show me where I said you were talking about poor people. You were talking about how lucky Maximus was for being able to enough money to pay the insurance, have luxury time to talk about the POTUS, and had enough to be big and tall. We’re talking about cost of Health Care, but unless you’re trying to coaxed him on a date, don’t bull shit me. You were saying Maximus was wealthy compared to the poor that he could do that, even if you didn’t blatantly say the poor.
You indirectly proved that on your own when you put it in the pretext that Maximus had the money to do that stuff.
Speaking freely without fear and death or persecution is now a privilege? What country are you from, that is out God given rights.
I got a feeling that what you said was ignorant. And, it still is ignorant what you said. More so now that you think what we have is a “privilege.”
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You pointed out three things Max has that poor people supposedly don’t. His time, his money, and his size. Yes, maybe Maximus has the money, or maybe he’ll have to work extra to make up for the increase. However, the other two have no basis as I know more poor people that have extra time than wealthier people and have more size than wealthier people.
Again, you are talking about poor people. You must see what you keep being this back to poor people right?
Do you need to talk about something? [/quote]
Yeah, you’re an ignorant prick chastising Maximus, because he has these “special” abilities like paying his income, having leisure time, and being tall and big.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
Ask Chris.
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Well, I would like to know, because you brought up the priest.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome. [/quote]
You also flip a shit whenever someone suggests a solution to the problem. You want to cry bloody murder when someone suggests shit food not continue to be quick cheap and easy? Fine. You live with the consequences, one of which is higher health insurance.[/quote]
No, that is the consequence of government meddling and those two are definitely not the same.
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Nope. Its the consequence of a society designed to make people fat and unhealthy (a major example being the ease and cheapness of shit food). Sick people cost health insurance carriers more money, and to make up for it they raise everyones costs.
But of course nothing will get done, people will scream “personal responsibility!”, Americans will get fatter and health care willget more expensive. Just you watch.
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This is just nonsense.
If insurers could compete across state lines and were allowed to offer insurance packages that covered specific needs (which right now they are most definitely not) there is no need why they should not discriminate against obese people or smokers.
The outcome you describe is the direct result of government meddling.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I live a healthy lifestyle, am more than physically fit compared to the average slob walking the streets, and got penalized for it. Awesome. [/quote]
You also flip a shit whenever someone suggests a solution to the problem. You want to cry bloody murder when someone suggests shit food not continue to be quick cheap and easy? Fine. You live with the consequences, one of which is higher health insurance.[/quote]
No, that is the consequence of government meddling and those two are definitely not the same.
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Nope. Its the consequence of a society designed to make people fat and unhealthy (a major example being the ease and cheapness of shit food). Sick people cost health insurance carriers more money, and to make up for it they raise everyones costs.
But of course nothing will get done, people will scream “personal responsibility!”, Americans will get fatter and health care willget more expensive. Just you watch.
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This is just nonsense.
If insurers could compete across state lines and were allowed to offer insurance packages that covered specific needs (which right now they are most definitely not) there is no need why they should not discriminate against obese people or smokers.
The outcome you describe is the direct result of government meddling.
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x2, what creates lower prices…oh that is right, competition or lack of demand. Any other options (regulation) creates unwanted affects like loss of quality, loss of vocation, &c.