BrownBomber: I also quite honestly do not see the need for B12 injections, unless you lack intrinsic factor, or you are malnourished, which most bodybuilders aren’t, B12 shouldn’t be needed. Its a gimic and a waste of your time. money and an extra injection that is not needed.
I just never would recommend anyone use that much EQ unless they had used it before and were gradually bringing up the dosage. (I base that on personal experience and what I’ve read.)
Here’s something related that I frequently post:
From “Ghost Dawg” T-mag Issue 280
“Chemical Muscle” tells us that using 600-800 milligrams per week of the popular steroid Equipoise (originally developed for horses) can lead to dangerously high red blood cell counts in as little as four to six weeks. Too many red blood cell platelets can lead to blood clots, strokes, and circulatory depreciation. Of course, this is true of most steroids.
Warhorse has a legitamate point. I myself have experienced intense headaches while using eq at high doses. Its probably safest to keep this one to about 400mg/ week max.(I use to recomend a large front because of the long-acting ester but I have concluded that the benifits of eq should be taken not from it’s muscle building properties, but more so from it’s joint and tendon strengthening ones- which require much less dosages to achieve. Use Test, tren, dbol, or some other AAS that is much less dangerous for muscle building, and use extreme caution in stacking eq with either dbol or anadrol as the two together can be synergistic - creating an even greater problem of polycythemia (too many Rbc in hematocrit)
what you posted is correct horse. but there is one thing not stated. upon cesation of use of eq, the red blood cell count returns to normal. just as in many situations in our bodies. while “on” our systems are all out of whack so to speak. but we come “off” and we normalize. the health risk with most AAS(including eq) is not the dosages as much as the duration. i have yet to see or hear of any “real life” cases of eq and elevated red blood cell issues, such as clotting. i would reconsider my opinion if this were based on real world cases. the point is that if we look hard enough, we could find serious problems with any of the chemicals we use. does it make them valid? hell, most orals are well known for increasing HDL(along with decreasing LDL) which is the leading cause of heart failure in men due to hardening of the arteries. this is the single biggest killer of men in america. does that mean we should stop using all orals? of course not, we come off after a brief period and LDL/HDL levels normalize. although i will admit, there is some disagreement about how far HDL levels will come back down.
Drago1,
I didn’t mean to imply the RBC problem would linger indefinitely, of course not.
I did experience some circulation problems which made me rethink the whole hi-dose EQ bit, then that article came along and confirmed it for me.
As P-22 has alluded, once you have the high RBC count, you’re pretty screwed because the long acting ester is going to intensify the problem in most cases. The enhanced collagen synthesis aspect is probably the biggest benefit of EQ, and megadoses are unnecessary to achieve said benefits.
Actually Drago1 the HDL (high density lipids are the good cholesteral - the Ldl the bad) There is some debate now as to just what effect these blood lipids do have on the circulatory system - some studies have recently been completed which fail to justify the use of statins - drugs which lower LDLs. By far and away however smoking and obesity are the two biggest riskfactors for arteriosclerosis and atheroslerosis. The hardening of the arteries is a prolonged process that takes years to occur. It involves the build up of plaques on the innerlinning of the endothelium of the blood vessel wall, these plaques inhibit the vessel from expanding and contracting, and cause localized irritation/ inflamation. The eventual result of this is the development of scar tissues in the linings which once present is irrevesable. As of late, research has begun to yeild some favorable results showing that some amount of plaque buildup is reversable if behavioral change occurs, and also with moderate doses of B vitamens and folic acid. So to emphasise Drago1’s point cycling on and off 17-aa is probably a good idea, and of course the potential damage from these drugs is much less pronounced then a steady diet of Macdonalds, ciggarettes, and a sedentary lifesyle. As far as equipoise goes the safest methed may be to get periodic blood work done while on and then off to see just what exactly is the effect. P-22
horse. agreed.
p22. i mispoke. thanks for correcting me. very good post as well. i think we generally of the same line of thinking on this one.
Impressive stack! I think I might run this one myself sometime in the future.
Just a few thoughts I might add… I think your recovery might be a little more difficult. That’s a long time to be running test. You could almost cut this cycle in half and run 2 seperate cycles.
My other concern is your Insulin use. I think 14 UIs is a little high, and you might be looking at storing some unwanted fat with that much “slin”. Stick to 10 IUs post-workout. Even if you were 10-15 lbs heavier, I still wouldn’t go higher than 10, unless you were stacking some GH in the mix.
Another concern is the type of Insulin you’re using and the time you are taking it. Are your workouts in the evening or in the morning? If they’re in the evening, make sure it’s a VERY fast acting Insulin (ie. Humalog) that will exit your body by the time you get to sleep (approx. 4 hour duration). If your workouts are earlier in the day, or in the mornings you can get away with a slightly slower acting one (ie. Humulin-R) that will run you most of the day (approx. 8 hour duration). Good luck.