My First Stack Synergy and Optimisation

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Gents,

First off, thanks to all who have posted here over the years. Makes obtaining information on this stuff much easier for a newb such as me.

Secondly, apologies for starting yet another one of these threads. But I feel I need clarification / validation on a few issues from experienced users before I purchase and begin my first cycle.

Background:

Age: 24

Dimensions: 190cm, 105kg, 14% BF

Training: Have been lifting for approx 5 years. 10RM: BP :115kg,. DL: 140kg, Squat : 160kg. (We use kg in Auz, so apologies to everyone just about everywhere else in the world converting to pounds in their head)

I have dieted and trained fairly consistently over these years and have experimented with a number of different training protocols (mainly with progressive load variations i.e. HST, MAX OT.)

I’m at the stage now where I feel I am close to maximising my body’s ability to support more muscle tissue, hence the desire to use AAS.

I’m in no rush to put on massive amounts of mass (maybe 5-8 kg over 8 - 12 months). And my goal is to have a greater number of myonuclei than I did before and add additional new muscle fibers. Then try to support it the best I can naturally.

Inspired by articles and posts by Bill Roberts and Bryan Haycock I have decided that a 2 on 4 off cycle length structure will best fit my needs (as I intent to train using HST principals while cycling).

And since Test P is about the only compound not available through my contact I’m resigned to what I think to be a fairly synergistic oral stack of D-Bol and Var or D-rol and Var or D-rol and Winny.

(Please no replies on liver function or about cycle optimisation through pinning) I have considered these and am aware of the downsides / consequences.

Considering the anecdotal evidence (that D-rol is pretty intense) and shutdown quite severe with these combos Iâ??m leaning towards the D-Bol and Var stack.

What I was hoping for help with is the following:

  1. Confirmation of the relative synergy of the pairing?

  2. Optimising my dosages and the synergy between the pair. i.e. X amount of D-Bol combined with Y amount of Var?

  3. And at what times during the day and night should I be taking this combo (again to optimise)?

  4. Advice on minimising gyno with this combo (I have a relatively minor case of pubertal gyno currently and want to employ best practise protocols to prevent further onset).

  5. Training Frequency and AAS

This is what I have come up with without a great deal of confidence.

Weeks 1-2 - I really have no idea in regards to a dosing timetable

60mg/d Var ed divided into 3 doses ed

50mg D-bol ed divided into 3 doses ed

.125 mg Adex ed

Weeks 3-5

Nolva 20mg 2x/D

Week 6

Nothing

Repeat cycle two more times.

Training:

I have a quote from a respected author which states:

â??Focusing on volume would be better than on frequency. Androgens don’t accelerate the rate at which a cell repairs itself or builds protein. Androgens enhance the magnitude of the responseâ??

â??better results will be obtained doing more sets per workout, rather than doing more workouts, as long as you are using a ~48 hour frequency. Take your days off to focus on getting an appropriate amount of protein and good carbs.â??

Despite this, I continue to hear that AAS increases the bodyâ??s ability to recover from a workout, meaning the frequency variable can be increased. I would be interested to heat thoughts on this.

Any constructive advice and input will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

LR

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Huh. Well, I think your time on is too short. I like the dosage you have for the Anavar, but your D-Bol dosage is too high in my opinion, especially for someones first time. Use around 25-30mgs of it a day. The dosing is good, three times a day…

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[quote]LR wrote:

What I was hoping for help with is the following:

  1. Confirmation of the relative synergy of the pairing?
    [/quote]

Synergy will be good.

[quote]
2) Optimising my dosages and the synergy between the pair. i.e. X amount of D-Bol combined with Y amount of Var?[/quote]

60mg Var 50mg Dbol is fine. The higher the ratio of Var:Dbol the ‘drier’ the gains will be (less water weight, but still some no matter what). Var is undoubtedly much more expensive and 50mg is about the minimum dose of Var I’d recommend.

[quote]
3) And at what times during the day and night should I be taking this combo (again to optimise)?[/quote]

You want to take the doses about 4-6 hours apart. You also want to time the doses to get a dose in around 1 hour before the workout. There is also the option of using the daily dose 1 hour preworkout but for an oral only cycle I think spreading the dose is best.

The more dbol you use the more likely the chance of gyno arises. Var doesn’t aromatise so there’s no need to worry about that. 2 weeks may not be enough time for gyno to set in but to be safe it would be wise to at least have an AI in your possession.

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5) Training Frequency and AAS[/quote]

Your ability to recover will increase. You will need to train instinctively. There’s really no way for any of us to be able to give you a concrete answe here.

I prefer to increase my volume rather than increase my frequency. Others find sucess by increasing frequency. The style of training has a lot to do with this. If the goal is strictly hypertrophy, extra volume is probably better. If you desire more strength than increasing the frequency is desireable. Again, train according to how your body reacts. You’ll be doing more than one 2 week blast. Experiment with different methods to see what’s best for you.

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Well case closed on this one

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Thanks Bonez. Appreciate the help

Just to clarify…you see no need to run the .125mg adex ed (or any other AI) unless preliminary symptoms arise?

Thanks again.

Regards,

LR

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For a two week cycle I wouldn’t waste the AI by using it right off the bat. If you find that you notice some slight nipple sensitivity towards the end of the first blast than you’ll know that for the next one you can run the AI after a week or so.

In two weeks you will not develop permanent gyno from 50mg of dbol. Itchy nipples or sore nipples does not mean you have permanent gyno. It does mean that you are sensitive to estrogen at that particular dose but it is not something to go nuts about.

Running .125mg EOD may do something to keep some of the bloat down, however. But that is also something that needs to be experimented with.