As far as the Adex, I think you did it too early, remember that the test-e takes time to build up in your system, I won’t use Adex for my first cycle unless I REALLY need to, I’ll stick with the old-dog Nolva lol
I believe that 210 lbs 10-11 bf is something VERY hard to obtain even when on AAS, remember that’s what the Pros are floating around precomp and well they use lots of drugs and their diet is on point all the time.
I would be happy being 190-195 with 10% BF haha so far with no AAS I’m 185 at 12%, so for me a realistic goal would be those numbers above.
My 2 cents is don’t worry too much about your weight, at the end of the day bodybuilding is just an illusion, there’s very light guys with impressive physiques that you see and you think wow this guy must be over 200 pounds for sure and they are not even close to that.
Ok. I understand. 210 10 % bf. Is mabey lot to ask yes. No problem. Itd all about looks. Mabey ill settle less. Hey but what do you think. If i eat 500 above.
3400kcal. Ehat im gona end up after pct?
190 lbs 12% NOW
200 lbs 13% then??
Thanks. I used to chase weight in my 20s. I got up to a fairly soft 280 and a fairly hard 250 but the drugs were too much. I actually like a lower test dose and humalog preworkot and gh post workout now. Thats the real jam.
That’s interesting, I’m learning more of GH I’ll probably give it a try when I feel I have enough knowledge.
Not sure on Humalog tho, if you don’t do it right could be dangerous, obviously for you being and endo is not hard at all you know the drill haha.
I’m starting 1st cycle on October 1st and then I’m planing on a 2nd one pre competition, the show is in May 2018 so I was thinking 2nd cycle Test-e and Winstrol probably some other compound to get dry.
Some people may need this much with advanced cycles, but for me on much higher dosages I’m fine with 0.25mg EOD, and I’m super sensitive to gyno!!
For your cycle you should immediately switch to 10mg nolva in my opinion!!
IF you insist on using arimidex cut that dose in fourth! So 0.125mg EOD TRUST ME man you do not wanna push that estro too low and it sounds like youre on the path! Once you crash it you are looking at a long term problem that will ruin your cycle, it doesn’t simply recover in a couple days!
Seriously dude don’t dose any more for 3 days then dose 0.125mg eod and preferably switch it up to 10mg nolva/day immediately man, this is important shit!
hey bro, I would recommend test and masteron for your goals over test and winny any day! Masteron Is way more effective and can be used longer with less stress on the body and joints. Winny makes you look really good WHILE ON IT, but masteron will do MUCH MORE in the long run, much more long lasting effects.
I’ll post a short ester and long ester version of the test mast cycle I’m purposing. I would recommend the short ester for your goals, but you mentioned test E so I will include both.
Short ester version::
Weeks 1-8/10 Test prop 350mg/week
weeks 1-8/10 Masteron prop 350mg-525mg/week
You should not need an AI with this, but keep nolva on hand incase and use 10mg a day if necessary
Long ester version::
weeks 1-12 Test Enanthate 375-500mg/week
weeks 1-12 Masteron enanthate 400-500mg/week
Same AI advice as the short ester version.
If you are set on winny, add it in for the last 4-6 weeks to really dry you out.
I would also suggest including PROVIRON at 25-50mg/day for the length of your cycle. You can think of proviron as a more mild, more anti estrogenic and oral version of masteron. Most people only include proviron for cutting, but I like to include it in ANY cycle if I can afford it and have access to pharma grade (Which isn’t hard to find). Proviron does a lot of the same things as masteron, (increase free test, increase libido, hardens physique, anti esgtrogen, etc), but works through different pathways so including both is ideal!
Comment in my log or tag me in a post if you want more cycle help/advice, ill help you out anytime design a great and safe cycle to meet your goals without loading up on the dosages!
I’ll start my first cycle October first and I’ll see how much I can grow out of that, I’m set on nutrition and training I’m good at that but for obvious reasons still learning on AAS.
I like the idea of test prop but injecting EOD would be a pain lol.
For the first cycle I’ll stick to:
Test E 1-12w 600mg p/week
Nolva 10mg EOD
PCT
14-18w Nolva 40/40/20/20
Still considering HCG but I have read good and bad things about it so still not sure on that.
I have read that AI isn’t necessary with this dosage so I’ll probable stick to Nolva only.
Most people absolutely do need an AI at 400mg+ test/week. HOWEVER, unless your doing over like 1g test + other aromatizing steroids, you DO NOT need anything more than 10-20mg nolva! Definitely grab enough nolva to do 10mg/day! Nothing stronger is necessary. I have ALWAYS used nolva at 10-20mg even on cycles with over 3gs of AAS.
3.HCG is DEFINITELY a good thing if you want to recover your natural test after the cycle! I don’t come off test, and honestly if my balls shrink a bit I Don’t care so I don’t bother but I would definitely bother if I was going to be coming off of test!
I’m by NO MEANS an expert in this area so I could be completely wrong when I Say this, but I would check into your pct again. Just nolva for a pct seems a little off to me, but I could be completely wrong. I have hear of nolv+clomid, but again, just nolva might be very effective and i may be wrong!
Ok, so my last two pins hurt 2-3 days after pretty hard. But i injected really fast , like 1cc in 6-7 seconds. I read somewhere that if you inject fast it hurts next day bad. And 1 cc must be injected 20-30 seconds. so ill try that tomorrow. So far a lot of water has come in my body . but thats ok, thats expected cause i was cutting till the end of first week of test(14 weeks a row) . Now its starting to balance, Its 15 day today i have done 4 pins my fifth pin tomorrow, ii have noticed strenght gain a little, but its most of calorie surplus i think. Hopefully the best is yet to come. Ill keep ypu posted , and mabey some before and after pictures eventually.
Hey its week 5 and i have good strenght gains and mass also about 17–18 lbs . 10 of it is water. But i eat 300 kcal above maintain. At least calculator sais its 2900 but i think my actual maintain is 2750 orsmth cause my work is easy. Ok that said. I have this really bothering issue
My right glute ise swollen up, red and hurting. Is it infection. Or what. It doesent go away completle in a week. And every time i inject there it gets worse. Now im worried a bit. What shoukd i do . Quad? Before leg day . I dont know. Left cheek is little bit better but not much. I have pinned 4 times in my right glute and every time its worse. Last time i could.not get the test in. Beacause.my ass cheek was swollen from.last injection and hard. what should i do?
Nobody answerd my question about swelling, but it was just virgin injection site plus high concetration gear,plus bad pinning place combined, i think. I have done several times in my right quad now. Little to none pain . And two pins in left wich hurt like motha**** for few days. Then it gets better. At first i did 300mg per ml gear in right and left glute , no quads for like 4 weeks. Every time i did a shot my ass was red, swollen, and hurt like mad. And 4 th time in one cheek was so bad i had trouble sleeping. Now doing canadian 250mg ml. And its far better. But still i think main thing is where i inject. Sometimes its better next time not.
Ok if we leave pinning to a side. Its been ok cycle i think. Im on week 8 now of my 12. Really strong.
I benched incline. 245lbs for 8 reps. Before…now benching 285 for 8 reps.
I weighted 190 when started, now 210. 10 pounds being water i think. But still 4,5 weeks left.
I have had issues with my lower back before. But got it hurt on week 6 when i deadlifted 290 for 3x8 reps… Before i did 250lbs.
I got flu. Dont think ita from gear. Cause my wife and kid also got it. But at first was little bit scared.
Now 2 weeks later its almost gone. Did not work out 6 days. Got back. Even stronger.
Yesterday felt little bit down but training was ok. Little upgrade allmost every aspect.
I got really bloated week 5-7. I was taking 0.25 adex eod. Upped it to 0,5 and bloat was still there eod. So i started takong 0,25 to balance. Now its ok.
Think it helped.
I was thinking to add npp 200 mg per week
For my back last 5 weeks. But since i did not get my npp on time. I will not do it for 3-4 weeks. And basicly just make it harder to get back normal with just nolva. Back is allmost ok.
Iill save it for future.
I think i jave allready back.on some good amount of muscle.
Oh and i could not sleep week 5-6 now after illness. Everything is back to normal.
Im actually week 9 now. but pictures are from excactly 7 weeks in.
Im having some estro issues also. i tought estro was too low. but then looked the signs and did get that i have too high estro.
did not have a oner in morning
sex wasnt the same
face bloated
Also i want to mention. every time my estro is high. i dont feel pain. and i pee normal pee. every time i lower my estro with arimidex. my shoulder and back starts to hurt. even when i drink a lot of water i still have yellow pee. 0.25 eod was too low dose for me…
Oh and second. when estro is high i sleep well , super well. lower it with arimidex. i wake up at night 4 times at least.
so for me
Estro high:
did not have a oner in morning
sex wasnt the same
face bloated
4.sleep well
Estro normal:
i have morning wood
sex is great
face not bloated (as much)
Waking up 3-5 times at night (Generall dont sleep well, weird dreams)
But hey its all about the gains… im not sure i want to do much cycles… i want to do one test /npp cycle or test deca dianabol cycle… and then cut for 215 lbs to 10-12% bf and im done.
Do not want to start climbing the never ending hill. cause we all look at the mirror and we see negative sides. i think i look ok. but want to be leaner little bit.
So guys what do you think. i think im having pretty good first cycle. in this picture im up 21 lbs. now i am 23 lbs or smth
