[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Sorry to hear about your father’s day RJ. I also had a bad father’s day, but I wont get into that.
I would like to thank Texasguy for making a bigger ass out of himself than I think I have ever done in a thread here. And trust me that is no small feat.
Regarding all this talk about debt and such; I was recently working for Ric Edelman; http://ricedelman.com/
I have been reading some of his books and one thing he advocates is keeping a long mortgage: http://ricedelman.com/planning/home/BLTmortgage.asp
The top 10 reasons Ric Edelman sites for keeping a mortgage are as follows, quoted from above website:
"Reason #1: Your mortgage doesn?t affect your home?s value.
You?re buying your home because you think it will rise in value over time. (Admit it: If you were certain it would fall in value, you wouldn?t buy it ? you?d rent instead.) Yet, the eventual rise (or fall) in value will occur whether you have a mortgage or not. So go ahead and get a mortgage: Your house?s value will be unaffected.
That?s why owning your home outright is like having money buried under a mattress. Since the house will grow with or without a mortgage, any equity you currently have in the house is, essentially, earning no interest. You wouldn?t stuff ten grand under your mattress, so why stash two hundred thousand into the walls of the house? Having a long-term mortgage lets your equity grow while your home?s value grows.
Reason #2: You?re going to build equity anyway.
Many homeowners try to build equity in their house by paying off the mortgage. But that produces weak results when compared to the equity you?ll build simply by watching the house appreciate in value. So go ahead ? keep the mortgage. You?ll build plenty of equity anyway.
Reason #3: A mortgage is cheap money.
There?s no way you can avoid debt in today?s society. Cars and college ? let alone big screen TV?s ? virtually require you to have loans. And you?ll find that mortgages offer you perhaps the cheapest way to borrow. Mortgage loans offer low interest rates because you post the house as collateral: If you fail to repay the loan, the lender sells your house to recoup its money. (By contrast, if you buy clothes with VISA, the credit card company can?t repossess your sweater when you fail to pay your credit card bill. That?s why VISA charges as much as 18% to 24%: Collecting high interest from some customers reduces its losses when other customers don?t repay their loans.)
Reason #4: Mortgage interest is tax-deductible.
Not only are mortgage loans low in cost, the interest you pay is tax-deductible. You can save as much as 35 cents in taxes for every dollar you pay in interest. That means a 6% mortgage loan really costs as little as 3.9%. Why carry 18% credit cards, paying interest that is not tax-deductible, when you can instead carry a 6% mortgage with interest that is tax-deductible? Your mortgage is probably the cheapest money you can borrow, so it makes sense to get as much of it as you can.
Reason #5: Mortgage interest is tax-favorable.
Assume you have both a 6% mortgage and a 6% profit on your investments. The mortgage is deductible at your top tax bracket, but the investments are taxed as low as 15%. For someone in the 25% tax bracket, that means the mortgage costs them 4.5% while the investment nets them 5.1% after taxes. In other words, tax law makes it beneficial for you to maintain your mortgage.
Reason #6: Mortgage payments get easier over time.
Carrying a mortgage gets to be fun, too. Yes, fun. My father used to love to talk about his mortgage ? all $98 per month of it. You see, he and my mom bought their home in 1959 for the whopping price of $19,500! Yet, my dad tells how his father thought he was crazy. How in the world was my father going to be able to handle such a huge mortgage payment, Grandpop Max asked. After all, my father was earning less than $3,000 a year back then. To spend $1,200 a year on mortgage payments?Grandpop Max thought my dad was nuts!
Of course, by the 1970s, Dad was laughing about it. Why? Because his monthly payment in 1974 was identical to what he was paying back in 1959. Yet, Dad?s income had risen steadily. Thus, his mortgage payment had become insignificant when compared to his income ? not to mention the fact that his house had grown substantially in value.
You might be struggling to make your mortgage payment at first, but over time you can expect your payments to become cheaper relative to your income ? especially if yours is a fixed-rate loan. That way, your payment never rises, but your income does.
Reason #7: Mortgages let you sell without selling.
In time, you may well find that your home has grown substantially in value, and you may begin to worry that you might lose that equity if there?s a decline in real estate values. You don?t want to sell the house, which is the obvious way you can capture the value, but there is another answer: get a mortgage. By cashing out some of the equity, you essentially collect the value of the house in cash without actually having to sell the house.
Reason #8: Large mortgages let you invest more money more quickly.
Assume you own a house and want to buy a larger home. So you sell your old house and net $300,000. Now you?re ready to purchase a new $500,000 home. How much should you put down? Should you make a 10% down payment of $50,000? Or should you put down the entire $300,000 in proceeds from the sale of the old house?
Big mortgages mean small down payments. Small down payments mean you retain lots of cash that you can then invest.
Small mortgages are the opposite: Small mortgages require big down payments, which leave you with little to no cash left over for investing.
In the above example, the $50,000 down payment (assuming a 7% mortgage rate) produces a monthly payment of $2,994, while the $300,000 down payment results in a monthly payment of $1,330.
So, the small down payment lets you invest $250,000 right now, while the big down payment costs $1,664 less per month. That?s money you can invest monthly.
So which would you rather do: invest $250,000 today, or $1,664 per month for 30 years?
Without question, investing the larger lump-sum today produces a larger investment portfolio than investing a small amount over long periods. Assuming both investments earn 8%, the account that?s started with $250,000 will be worth $270,000 in just 1 year, while the account that invested $1,664 monthly would be worth only $20,717. After 15 years, the lump-sum investor has $793,042 ? $217,235 more than the monthly investor. Same story after 30 years ? clearly, the bigger mortgage leads to a larger investment portfolio!
Reason #9: Long-term mortgages let you create more wealth.
Do you merely want to eliminate your debt, or do you want to truly build wealth? Please realize that the former does not automatically result in the latter. Indeed, many people who are debt-free are also dead broke.
So, the real goal is to create wealth. You do that by adding as much money as you can to your savings and investments. And the best way to do that is to lower your monthly expenses. That?s why long-term loans are better than short-term loans: the longer the term, the lower your monthly payment. And the lower the payment, the more money you have left over that you can place into investments.
Reason #10: Mortgages give you greater liquidity and greater flexibility.
Let?s look at Sam and Nick. They both earn $75,000 a year. Both have $50,000 in cash. Both buy a $250,000 house. Nick wants to minimize his mortgage, so he uses his $50,000 in savings as a down payment, and he opts for a 15-year loan at 6.75%. His monthly payment is $1,770 ? but only 64% of that payment is tax-deductible interest; the rest is principal. Therefore, Nick?s net after-tax cost for his mortgage is $1,489. And to pay off his mortgage even quicker, Nick sends in an extra $100 with every payment. Of course, these payments are devoted entirely to principal, and therefore provide no tax deduction.
Nick?s decision to send extra payments to his lender is a critical point. You see, every time you send extra money to your mortgage company, you deny yourself the opportunity to invest that money elsewhere. In business school, professors call this ?opportunity cost.? It means, essentially, that every time you turn left, you deny yourself the opportunity to turn right. So, although paying off the mortgage saves you interest, you deny yourself the chance to earn interest with the money you used to pay off the mortgage.
Sam understands this, and therefore, he obtains a 30-year mortgage at 7% (a bit higher than Nick?s rate). He puts down just $12,500 and finances the rest. Even though Sam?s mortgage balance is bigger than Nick?s ($237,500 compared to $200,000), his monthly payment is lower (because it?s a longer term). That?s not all. A full 88% of Sam?s payment is interest, meaning that Sam?s after-tax cost is just $1,234 a month ? $255 less than what Nick has to pay! Sam invests this savings of $255 each month for five years, earning 8% after taxes per year. And, instead of sending an extra $100 a month to his mortgage company, as Nick does, Sam adds it to his savings.
Over five years, Sam has about $79,000 in savings and investments. Nick, however, has no cash whatsoever, because he?s placed every available dollar into mortgage payments. So, when both men suddenly find themselves out of work, Sam is in excellent financial condition, but Nick is in real trouble. He has no savings to tide him over, and he can?t gain access to the $100,000 worth of equity that?s in his house because, being out of work, the bank turned down his loan application. (It?s true: Lenders don?t care about how much equity you have in the house. They lend money only to people who can repay the loan. With no job, Nick has no income, and therefore, he cannot qualify for a loan. Indeed, Nick has fallen victim to the biggest misconception in real estate: A mortgage is not a loan against the house; it?s a loan against your income. Without an income, you cannot obtain a loan.)
If Nick doesn?t get a job real soon, he?ll lose his house. How ironic! Nick, who never wanted a mortgage in the first place and who did everything he could to eliminate his mortgage as quickly as possible, is now in serious financial jeopardy! Sam, though, is in much better shape. With $79,000 in savings, he?s easily able to make his payments each month. In fact, he can make mortgage payments for four years, giving himself plenty of time to find a new job!
And that?s really my point. When you have a mortgage, you are required to make only that month?s payment. As I explained at the beginning, you are never required to pay off your loan immediately. You might want to do so, but that doesn?t mean you must do so.
You must not send extra payments to your mortgage lender. Invest that money instead, just as Sam did. Never prepay your mortgage payments like Nick did, because once you give money to a lender, the only way you?ll ever get it back is to re-borrow the money or sell the house. Selling your home is the last thing you want to do, and if unemployed, you probably will be unable to get a loan when you need it most. Besides, if you?re simply going to borrow it back later, why bother giving the money to the lender in the first place?
This explains why you should not participate in biweekly loan programs. They promise to pay off your 30-year loan in 22 years by having you make half the payment every two weeks. But this gimmick is nothing more than a math riddle. You see, there are 52 weeks in a year, so making half your payment every two weeks means you?ll make 26 half-payments. That?s the same as 13 full payments. And that?s why you?ll cut your 30-year loan to 22 years: you?re simply making extra principal payments. Don?t do that. Make your normal payment instead, and place that 13th payment into savings and investments.
Okay, you?re convinced. You agree that a big, long mortgage is best. But how do you act on this advice? It?s simple. Go get a new mortgage! Either refinance, replacing your current loan with a new, bigger mortgage, or get a second mortgage to supplement your existing loan. Which is best? It depends on whether you can get a new loan with better terms than your current loan.
Either way, get the equity out of the house. Your goal is to increase your mortgage balance by up to $100,000. (When refinancing or obtaining a second mortgage, mortgage interest is tax-deductible only for the first $100,000 of new debt. This limit does not apply when you are obtaining the mortgage in order to purchase a home, or to use the money for the purpose of home improvements. Talk with your tax advisor before proceeding.)
Invest the proceeds of your refinancing carefully. Do not spend the money on vacations, furniture, cars, or college. This is your home we?re talking about, so you must invest these assets prudently. If you don?t know how to do that, turn to a professional financial advisor for help.
If you?re worried that you won?t be able to handle the big, new mortgage payments you?ll now have, let your new investments help you. Simply arrange for your new investments to send you a monthly check equal to your increased mortgage payments. If your mortgage costs you 6% and you earn at least that much from your investments, then you can easily generate enough income to help you handle the new mortgage payments. And over time, your investments may earn more than what the mortgage costs you. Plus, you?ll always have access to your cash if you suddenly need it. And best of all, eventually you won?t need income from your investments because your income will grow over time, making it easier for you to handle on your own.
So, what are you waiting for? Tip your hat to your spinning-in-his-grave grandfather, and get a big, long-term mortgage today!" [/quote]
Haha. That’s funny.
