I see I need to go back and edit one of those old posts. I’d known there was a thread where I misremembered and misreported the solubility of TP in vegetable oil and no BA or BB (I wrote 100 mg/mL when the correct value is 50 mg/mL) and went and corrected that thread some time back, but now it turns out that there was a post in this thread where that appears, too.
So no, 100 mg/mL TP from Synovex cannot be achieved with this method. If loading enough Synovex to provide that much TP, half of it will not dissolve.
While it would technically be possible to load the oil both with TA and TP from both Finaplix and Synovex at the same times, personally I would not do so.
It’s one thing to have a vial of TP that has some contamination with EB. If not overly sensitive to estradiol and keeping usage moderate, it can be usable. I don’t recall what my usage was but it may well have been only say half a cc per day, as my intent was only to maintain normal T and normal estrogen during a trenbolone-based cycle, which ordinarily would have driven estradiol abnormally low.
But why have TA that is subject to that limitation? To save half a cc per day of TA injection?
It could be done, but whether it is good to do so is a matter of personal choice.
If doing it, I would do it by making the TA preparation first and then adding the Synovex, or isolated TP/EB mixture from Synovex, to that.
There is another thread here where Steve reported his method on that, which seems to me likely to be an improvement compared to going straight to oil.
I have made several compounded mixtures and they can be a real pain in the ass if you decide you want to change dosages of any individual element due to side effects or suboptimal response. Now I just mix them as needed in the syringe barrel just prior to injection.
As to solubility of TP in veg oil - you can get it to almost 100mg/ml by heating it up very hot, but it crashes as soon as it cools unless you add copius amounts of BA and BB post filtration. Better to just stick to around 50-75 mg/ml with 2% BA to preserve sterility (and if trying for 75mg/ml, enough BB to keep it from crashing…maybe 10%)
So, If I’m understanding this correctly, I can use about 76ML of oil with 4grams of pellets to come up with a 50mg per ml solution?
Also, this may seem like a silly question, but what is the actual downside to using the benzyl benzoate besides the trouble it causes in the filtering process? Is there a physiological reason? I ask, because it seems to be more efficient to use the solvent and come out with a higher concentration.
[quote]It could be done, but whether it is good to do so is a matter of personal choice.
If doing it, I would do it by making the TA preparation first and then adding the Synovex, or isolated TP/EB mixture from Synovex, to that.
There is another thread here where Steve reported his method on that, which seems to me likely to be an improvement compared to going straight to oil.
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I ended up with a mild case of gyno with my soluble method to remove the estrodiol from the syno formula. I am using Nolva and Femara to get rid of the gyno. Unfortunately I am not sure if the gyno was from the test converting to estrogen or from some estrodiol that I did not sucessfully remove from the syno. Soon as the gyno is gone ( two months from past experience) , I will be on Femara at 2.5 mg every other day. If the gyno comes bake it will mean the gyno is from the unconverted Estrodiol.
I also suggest not mixing the Fina with Test in the bottle. You might want to change the ratio of you dose so if you have separate vials you are better off.
[quote]swoleupinya wrote:
Quick few question for Bill,
So, If I’m understanding this correctly, I can use about 76ML of oil with 4grams of pellets to come up with a 50mg per ml solution? [/quote]
With regard to Finaplix, yes, 2 carts containing 4 grams of pellets total together with 76 mL of oil will give a 50 mg/mL solution, or so close to it that any difference does not matter. (The total volume might be a couple of tenths of a mL different than 80.00 mL, or might be less difference than this.)
Not all 80 mL will be recovered but the great majority of it will be.
The added difficulty in filtration is to me the main reason, but another reason is less frequent occurrence of tren cough when using a 50 mg/mL concentration rather than a higher concentration.
[quote]BTW - this is all great information. Thank you.
Well, I went with a “kit” for my first conversion… so far/so good. I’ve only pinned 4 times, but I’ve had no unusual pain, cough, etc…
The conversion was pretty simple, and I didn’t have any trouble with the filtering. I don’t know if it’s the company I purchased the kit from or what, but it just seemed to filter really easily… at least it wasn’t the hassle I’ve heard it made out to be. I may try to piece it all together on my own for my next go-around. Chances are, I’ll be making a bigger batch.
It’s not unlikely that whether the filtering becomes hard or not depends on the exact filter used. If it has properties where the dissolved binder doesn’t tend to precipitate out onto the filter and into its pores, then there would be no added trouble. It occurs with some filters though, and as it happens the ones that I use do that.
As I’d rather not inject binder anyway but only trenbolone, that works out fine for me but wouldn’t be suitable for someone wanting to use the benzyl benzoate or benzyl alcohol, and the filter you used would be more suitable, assuming it is .45 micron or smaller.