[quote]meangenes wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I’m not sure what you are trying to get at here but yes you are wrong, Jefferson claimed to be a “Materialist”. Although he attended church services on occasion he fervently spoke against Christian beliefs.
It is believed that our founding fathers were actually Deist.
“I have examined all the known superstitions of the world and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They
are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men,
women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been
burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this
coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to
support roguery and error all over the earth.” - The man himself
Not to boast but where are your arguments now? Stop arguing and getting worked up over a system that controls its people by emotional reaction.
Try to make it to school earlier. Then you can just walk around them. [/quote]
John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]
John Adams:
�?? The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity�?� I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.�??
�?� �??[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.�??
�??John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress
“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” --October 11, 1798
“I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen.” December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson
John Quincy Adams:
�?� �??Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" �??Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
–1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.
Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]
Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
�?? God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel�?? �??Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech
�??In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered�?� do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?�?? [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]
In Benjamin Franklin’s 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach “the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”
In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as “a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone.”
Thomas Jefferson
�??The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.�??
�??Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.�??
Alexander Hamilton:
�?� Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity
(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.
�??The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.�??
On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, �??I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.�??
“For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests.” [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]
Or maybe to you these men were not part of the group of men that founded our country.