Muslim Desecrates Catholic High Altar

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
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Why would he need to become Catholic? Even Pope Benedict has confirmed that non-Catholics can be saved. Indeed “Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith.” Of course, many Catholics privately disagree with this. [/quote]

WOW is this true? If it is, then my opinion of the Catholic Church just went up five-fold. Now, who is going to tell my rosary carrying sister-in-law who believes the contrary?[/quote]

The truth is, it depends. It is very hard for someone outside the Church to be saved. Better safe than sorry, and that is why I stick to “There is no Salvation outside the Church.”

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
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Why would he need to become Catholic? Even Pope Benedict has confirmed that non-Catholics can be saved. Indeed “Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith.” Of course, many Catholics privately disagree with this. [/quote]

WOW is this true? If it is, then my opinion of the Catholic Church just went up five-fold. Now, who is going to tell my rosary carrying sister-in-law who believes the contrary?[/quote]

The truth is, it depends. It is very hard for someone outside the Church to be saved. Better safe than sorry, and that is why I stick to “There is no Salvation outside the Church.”[/quote]

Ahhh. We are back to the fear-based compliance, now aren’t we?
I’m surprised you would qualify the Pope’s statement with your own flavoring.
So, I guess you are one of the “many Catholics that privately disagree” with the Pope.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Ahhh. We are back to the fear-based compliance, now aren’t we?
I’m surprised you would qualify the Pope’s statement with your own flavoring.
So, I guess you are one of the “many Catholics that privately disagree” with the Pope.
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He isn’t disagreeing with the Pope, you’re just not understanding the background of the Pope’s words. BC responded correctly. He, the Pope, was speaking with Augustine in mind, even quoting him. From the same address, the Pope quoting Augustine:

Augustine “knows that also among the inhabitants of Babylon there are people who are committed to peace and the good of the community, despite the fact that they do not share the biblical faith, that they do not know the hope of the Eternal City to which we aspire,” Benedict XVI stated.

“They have a spark of desire for the unknown, for the greatest, for the transcendent, for a genuine redemption,” explained the Pope, quoting Augustine.

And from the CCC

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
What I love about religion, is how historically it’s promoted so much peace and love throughout the world. /sarcasm[/quote]

How do you know it hasn’t? Alternate history time travel?

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
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Why would he need to become Catholic? Even Pope Benedict has confirmed that non-Catholics can be saved. Indeed “Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith.” Of course, many Catholics privately disagree with this. [/quote]

WOW is this true? If it is, then my opinion of the Catholic Church just went up five-fold. Now, who is going to tell my rosary carrying sister-in-law who believes the contrary?[/quote]

The truth is, it depends. It is very hard for someone outside the Church to be saved. Better safe than sorry, and that is why I stick to “There is no Salvation outside the Church.”[/quote]

Ahhh. We are back to the fear-based compliance, now aren’t we?
I’m surprised you would qualify the Pope’s statement with your own flavoring.
So, I guess you are one of the “many Catholics that privately disagree” with the Pope.
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Bro, who’ be I fearin’? And, what you going on about like an out-board motor, PUT! PUT! PUT!, about this fear-based compliance shit?

Bro, look at one of the most popular political satirist in the world, Stephen Colbert. You can question what a bro says, without not being his bro. yaddamean? I make fun of the CC all the time. We ain’t perfect, we fuck up. We a bunch of monkeys in a monkey house. Don’t hate, bro. And, I when the Holy See speak infallibility, I don’t disagree with Him. The man was talking correctly, he checked himself, before he wrecked himself. And as Brother Sloth pointed out, you obviously ain’t checked yo self. Now, be baptized and repent, and know the Good News!

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Since I’m still without my home computer, and I’m posting from my BB, I’ll be brief;

  • sorry BC, that you were upset about the dancing muslim. But I’m pretty confident that the high alter is OK. Holiness just isn’t that fragile.

  • sorry also that the Pope was not making a contemporary comment, but rather, was qouting archaic history. I thought it had a ring of ‘too good to be true’ about it. Admitting salvation outside the CC would put a serious ding in the CC power structure. That would remove some of the cough apprehension and people might take their money and salvation elsewhere if they thought they were *cough safe ** in doing so.

  • I do however appreciate Sloth’s scholarly response and explanation – thanks

  • And the story DOES allow for salvation for people who don’t know Christ through no fault of their own. HOORAY for that! God does not leave his children doomed! (Except of course, if they have heard of the CC and don’t become part of it, then they’re screwed according to CC) It goes without saying, that I respectfully disagree on that point!

  • And I’ve already been baptised, repented and saved a long long time ago, without the CC.

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[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Since I’m still without my home computer, and I’m posting from my BB, I’ll be brief;

  • sorry BC, that you were upset about the dancing muslim. But I’m pretty confident that the high alter is OK. Holiness just isn’t that fragile.[/quote]

Actually it is not Okay, it has to go through consecration again. Which is a big deal, Holiness may not be fragile, but when you do something against it’s nature. It leaves, and it has to be purified and consecrated once again. Plus desecration is blasphemy.

Sorry do you bum you out, the Catholic Church is the One Catholic Holy Apostolic Church.

Knowing about the CC doesn’t mean knowing the truth, look at how many people argue against the Catholic Church but do not actually know what the Catholic Church believes. Look at how many Catholics do not even know about true presences.

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  • And I’ve already been baptised, repented and saved a long long time ago, without the CC.[/quote]

Oh, that’s too bad. Guess I’ll just have to wait for the day you stop being a blood sucking heretic. :wink:

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Skip to 2:45 for the good stuff.

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Video won’t play, what does he say?

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…it plays just fine for me Chris…

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Wow, MSNBC it must be true.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
…it plays just fine for me Chris…[/quote]

Congratulations. I’m proud that your computer is playing the clip. However, I have a corrupt version of YouTube on my phone.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Well, if you feel that strongly about it, take up arms against him/them.

There is nothing stopping someone from going freelance and declaring war against something that they consider worthy of being wiped from the face of the earth.

All you need is plain tickets and a weapons source when you get there.
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Yup, cos those decorated tickets are USELESS! :wink: