Muslim Bashing by GOP Candidates? Nothing New Here

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
zahmad, what is you and your commmunity doing about the radicals that are making it worse for the rest?[/quote]

About 40% of the American Muslim radicals that have been caught have been turned in by Muslims. All the major American Muslim organizations denounce radical actions and make efforts to preach true Islam.
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Can you back this up with a source. I, for one, would feel better knowing this is true.

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Jeaton - I read it here:

“A report from Duke University and the University of North Carolina released last month examined terrorism investigations since Sept. 11, 2001, and found that fellow Muslims provided useful tips that helped arrest 48 of 120 Muslims suspected of plotting attacks in the U.S.”

This is the Duke University study they mention:
http://www.sanford.duke.edu/news/Schanzer_Kurzman_Moosa_Anti-Terror_Lessons.pdf

Some interesting notes from this study:

“We have found that an important anti-radicalization activity of Muslim-American communities since 9/11 has been the active denunciation of terrorist violence. Muslim-Americans have done so in public and in private, drawing on both religious and secular arguments. Much of this has gone unnoticed in the mainstream press, and many Americans wonder-erroneously-why Muslims have been silent on the subject.”

"…more than 130 Muslim organizations, mosques and leaders in the United States, stated this forcefully:
“We have consistently condemned terrorism and extremism in all forms and under all circumstances, and we reiterate this unequivocal position. Islam strictly condemns religious
extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in
Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide
bombings or any other method of attack is haram-prohibited in Islam-and those who
commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not ‘martyrs.’”

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]zahmad wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
I would suggest reading the book Zeitoun. It doesn’t settle any of this but it is definitely related. It’s about a Muslim guy who stayed in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, paddling around in a canoe to save people and feed dogs that had been left behind and whatnot. The way he is treated by authorities makes you pretty mad as you read it.[/quote]

I know that guy :)[/quote]

That’s pretty cool, do you live in New Orleans? The book was hard to read without getting angry, though I do believe that those cops were under a ton of stress.[/quote]

Don’t live there but have relatives that have lived there for a long time and they are friends with Zeitoun (probably had some contracting/paint work done by him), so I’ve met him when I visit. The cops did some pretty screwed up stuff that people are still mad about, he wasn’t the only one who was mistreated.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’d like for someone to play the specific excerpts or provide the quotes where the GOP candidates allegedly bashed Muslims.

I watched the debate and certainly didn’t see it there.[/quote]

Cain said some stupid shit early on, then backed off of it during the debate. The others handled it well I thought.[/quote]

Some info here:

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’d like for someone to play the specific excerpts or provide the quotes where the GOP candidates allegedly bashed Muslims.

I watched the debate and certainly didn’t see it there.[/quote]

Cain said some stupid shit early on…

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Did he now? Stupid shit, huh?
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Yes, stupid. For instance: he expressed dismay upon learning that one of his doctors was a Muslim, stating that “based upon the little knowledge that I have of the Muslim religion, you know, they have an objective to convert all infidels or kill them.”

When you’re running for president of the United States, that qualifies as stupid. Extremely stupid. Unimaginably stupid. “Based upon the little knowledge that I have” is not a phrase that you begin your sentences with as a candidate for the presidency, especially when it is going to be followed by an insinuation that all American Muslims are ipso facto untrustworthy, including (presumably very successful) surgeons.

So, your snide comments aside, does that count as stupid in your book? Or do you think it is a smart political move to ensure that Google suggests “Herman Cain Muslim Comment” halfway through typing his name out?

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If comparing ‘authentic’ Islam with nazism is so offensive to the bleeding hearts, do me a favor…stop bringing up Christianity in comparison to Islam. If you’re too lazy to look at the root, at foundational figures, and how they acted and directed the spreading the news of their respective religions, don’t even go there. Authentic, historical Islam is a hell of alot closer to nazism than it is to Christianity. Mohammad was no christ. His ‘apostles’ weren’t non-violent martyrs. I’d probably have a heart attack if this forum ever learned a bit of honest discernment and discrimination (the evil of it all!).

Seriously, is it just ignorance of the revelational histories involved here? Or, is it a sideways swipe at christianity, hoping noone has read a basic treatment on how these religions came to be at the very root, and who the two pivotal figures were?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
If comparing ‘authentic’ Islam with nazism is so offensive to the bleeding hearts, do me a favor…stop bringing up Christianity in comparison to Islam. If you’re too lazy to look at the root, at foundational figures, and how they acted and directed the spreading the news of their respective religions, don’t even go there. Authentic, historical Islam is a hell of alot closer to nazism than it is to Christianity. Mohammad was no christ. His ‘apostles’ weren’t non-violent martyrs. I’d probably have a heart attack if this forum ever learned a bit of honest discernment and discrimination (the evil of it all!).

Seriously, is it just ignorance of the revelational histories involved here? Or, is it a sideways swipe at christianity, hoping noone has read a basic treatment on how these religions came to be at the very root, and who the two pivotal figures were?[/quote]

I agree with much of this. There are few examples in history, in particular in pre-Modern history, of teachings that could have formed a better and more progressive religious foundation than those of Christ.

With regard to their actual developments through time, Christianity and Islam differ far less. Regardless, it is politically stupid to conflate a world religion with Naziism, whether the comparison has merit or not. Furthermore, it is just plain normal stupid to say some of the shit than Cain has said.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

NOTHING I’ve heard Herman Cain say so far has been stupid to me. NOTHING. He seems to be a very intelligent man.

What’s stupid to me is listening to someone refer to him as stupid, especially someone whose greatest joy in life today appears to be the fact that two men in New York can now walk the aisle together and bond their precious selves in matrimony. Now THAT’S stupid - being downright giddy about men being able to legally marry. Patently stupid.[/quote]

So you’re saying that the statement which I just quoted verbatim, which you conveniently didn’t address in any way, was not a stupid thing to say? To publicly question the motives of your fucking DOCTOR because of his RELIGION…WHEN YOU’RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. If you think that is smart, then you aren’t.

As for the gay marriage comment, I said in the other thread that I’m proud of my state…which I am. And I mocked you conservative doomsayers…because I like doing that. The source of giddiness seems to be eluding me.

Though sex between men does seem to bearing down with force on your mind today, what with you bringing it up here in an unrelated thread.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

…Though sex between men does seem to bearing down with force on your mind today, what with you bringing it up here in an unrelated thread.

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Because I had just read your gleefully written post about the amazingly progressive and gargantuanly righteous (politically correct) State of New York in their infinite wisdom codifying the practice of two men or two women gettin’ hitched. Then I clicked over here and you of all people are calling Herman Cain stupid.

It’s laughable, Sammy Mortimer Hincklestein. Laughable.
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Once again, I said “I’m proud of my state.” Which I am. Which isn’t exactly gleeful.

Regardless, I’d love for you to address the substance of my last two posts. The part where I directly quoted Herman Cain. The part where I showed that he had said something stupid…which you had challenged me to do. Which you ignored by trying to change the subject to, of all things, gay marriage. Which doesn’t belong in this thread.

Once again, do you think those were intelligent, or politically savvy, comments to make? Or do you think they were stupid, coming from a presidential candidate?

I wonder if you will answer. I suspect you won’t, and I don’t blame you: because either you will have to agree with me, or you will have to justify and therefore tacitly support a truly and self-evidently idiotic comment. Either way, positive evidence will have been added to the case for your remarkably unshakeable stupidity.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

…Though sex between men does seem to bearing down with force on your mind today, what with you bringing it up here in an unrelated thread.

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Because I had just read your gleefully written post about the amazingly progressive and gargantuanly righteous (politically correct) State of New York in their infinite wisdom codifying the practice of two men or two women gettin’ hitched. Then I clicked over here and you of all people are calling Herman Cain stupid.

It’s laughable, Sammy Mortimer Hincklestein. Laughable.
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Once again, I said “I’m proud of my state.” Which I am. Which isn’t exactly gleeful.

Regardless, I’d love for you to address the substance of my last two posts. The part where I directly quoted Herman Cain. The part where I showed that he had said something stupid…which you had challenged me to do. Which you ignored by trying to change the subject to, of all things, gay marriage. Which doesn’t belong in this thread.

Once again, do you think those were intelligent, or politically savvy, comments to make? Or do you think they were stupid, coming from a presidential candidate?

I wonder if you will answer. I suspect you won’t, and I don’t blame you: because either you will have to agree with me, or you will have to justify and therefore tacitly support a truly and self-evidently idiotic comment. Either way, positive evidence will have been added to the case for your remarkably unshakeable stupidity.[/quote]

I DID already answer. Scroll up.

And also, read his comments in context. You left out, “Cain qualified his comments by saying that there were ‘some peaceful Muslims’ but that Americans 'can’t sit back and tolerate the radical ones simply because we know that there are some of them who don’t believe in that aspect of the Muslim religion.”

Read more: Herman Cain: I ‘resent’ Muslims who try to convert Americans | The Daily Caller

That was disingenuous and downright naughty of you to not include the context, Sammy.

One thing’s for sure - the more I see the likes of you hatin’ on him the more I like him.[/quote]

Qualifying a stupid claim does nothing to change the stupidity of that claim, particularly in this context. The idiocy of expressing mistrust for your own doctor because of his religion is self-evident, and is not in the least nullified by the perfunctory afterthought that “there are some peaceful Muslims.” You were, as I have come to expect in our discussions, simply wrong. Until you can mount an intelligent argument in defense of a presidential candidate’s public expression of mistrust for his surgeon on purely religious grounds, I’ll consider this one case closed.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m particularly giddy myself right now, Sammy, but it’s not cuz of New York’s progressivity, but rather because of an impending sex romp with my woman this afternoon.

In the meantime I am full of caffeine and eager to slice and dice young 20-something political pundits. Bring it, junior. Have an ambulance on standby.[/quote]

How old are you man? Typing on an internet forum about getting laid? Jesus. I outgrew advertising the fact that I was getting pussy before I got my fucking driver’s license.

And yeah, I’m straight. Some people have the ability to empathize with others, regardless of the fact they aren’t necessarily cut from the same cloth. Though I can see how a Quinquagenarian adolescent such as yourself might have trouble with that concept.