“The far right is long on fear mongering and short on providing supportive evidence. They ignore major polls by Gallup, Pew and others that show that the vast majority of Muslims are politically, economically middle class and educationally integrated into American society. Their desire not to be confused by the facts contributes to a growing climate of Islamophobia that has led to discrimination, hate crimes, violence, desecration of mosques and the violation of the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Surveys have shown that Muslims are not looking to install Islamic law in the U.S., promote terrorism or undermine the American Constitution.”[/quote]
“The far right is long on fear mongering and short on providing supportive evidence. They ignore major polls by Gallup, Pew and others that show that the vast majority of Muslims are politically, economically middle class and educationally integrated into American society. Their desire not to be confused by the facts contributes to a growing climate of Islamophobia that has led to discrimination, hate crimes, violence, desecration of mosques and the violation of the civil liberties of Muslim Americans. Surveys have shown that Muslims are not looking to install Islamic law in the U.S., promote terrorism or undermine the American Constitution.”[/quote]
Lixy?[/quote]
I am wondering if smh23 isn’t actually Ryan P. McCarter.
whatever. Islam is fucking retarded anyway and the less of these retards there is around me the better I am. Their country is crap, and that is why they come here. Guess why their country is shitty? Yes it’s their fault and they will turn where we live to shit.
I am not gonna waste time arguing about this bullshit.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
“How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?”
I don’t know buddy, how do you know that your mailman isn’t a psychopath planning to one day rape you children and skin you alive. Surely there have been psychotic mailmen in the past.
There good and bad Muslims, as there are good and bad people of every creed, color, religion, race, occupation, political ideology, and dick size.[/quote]
Two of the major mouthpiece organizations for supposed moderat Mulsims (CAIR and ICNA) both advicate or support supplanting all or part of the Constitution with Sharia law. As long as so called moderate Muslims let radicals like this speak for them, then tehy deserve any and all descrimination they get.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
To be clear, you can argue there is nothing inherently violent, or Anti-American in Islam. You can say there is nothing in Islamic belief that warrants discrimination. BUT the notion that for the sole reason that it’s a religion and therefore can’t be discriminated against is faulty.[/quote]
Very true. My point is that Islam deserves the protection that Christianity and Judaism deserve. [/quote]
But doesn’t that also mean they can be mocked and ridiculed in a similar fashion as Judaism and Christianity are?[/quote]
Certainly. I’m referring specifically to people who would like to see them stripped of equality under the law or political power.[/quote]
Got it, no I’m not for that at all. I would think that ridiculing the God that they worship, just like Christians have to endure is enough. No?
Yeah watchout for CAIR:
In October 2009, four members of Congress led by Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) held an embarrassing press conference claiming the book revealed a Muslim plot to infiltrate government. Their hardest ?evidence? was a document showing that CAIR had encouraged young Muslims to become Capitol interns ? much like many other Washington, D.C., interest groups.
ICNA? LOL they organize a Muslim Family Day at Six Flags , LOL !
[quote]zahmad wrote:
Yeah watchout for CAIR:
In October 2009, four members of Congress led by Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) held an embarrassing press conference claiming the book revealed a Muslim plot to infiltrate government. Their hardest ?evidence? was a document showing that CAIR had encouraged young Muslims to become Capitol interns ? much like many other Washington, D.C., interest groups.
ICNA? LOL they organize a Muslim Family Day at Six Flags , LOL ! [/quote]
“CAIR is, in fact, among the more than 300 unindicted co-conspirators of the Holy Land Foundation named by the government in the Holy Land Foundation prosecution”
I don’t see my point as controversial in any way: there are good and bad people regardless of their religion, ethnicity, race, etc. That a Muslim is a Muslim does not ipso facto make him/her deserving of our suspicion or prejudice.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Islam. And I do dislike many of its teachings. And I fucking hate terrorism, and terrorists. But that doesn’t change my point.
I mean, do they think the world is making this stuff up? Just who exactly is it that pretty regulary makes the news for heinous and despicable acts of terrorism, stonings, suicide bombings, beheadings and honor killings? Red-headed Nowegians? [/quote]
People. People are the ones that make the news. But when those people are Muslim, the word Muslim or Islam or some form of it has to be used. When was the last time you heard any other criminal referred to as their religion? Christian Pedophile? Jewish Rapist ? Atheist Murder ? Bhuddist Gang Member?
EDIT: That doesn’t mean Muslims should not be held responsible for what they do. They absolutely should. My point is that because the religion is always tied to the crime, everyone in that religion and Islam itself get blamed. Just because someone does something in the name of something (a religion, idea, country), doesn’t mean that it is allowed, for example David Kuresh, KKK. Oddly enough, if a Muslim does something good, then its rarely noted that the do-gooder is Muslim, ie Muslim Nobel Prize Winner, Muslim rescuer, Muslim volunteer. Muslims did relief work for the floods that recently occured in the south. and i personally know Muslims that did relief work after hurricane Katrina.
[quote]pat wrote:
Yeah it’s horse shit. Yet another attempt by the left to make the GOP appear bigoted and rigid. WE really do need a proper third party, I just don’t see the other parties not squashing it. Look at the Tea Party, a grassroots movement sucked into the vortex of the GOP. I dare say it made the GOP a little better, there is tremendous room for improvement. The libertarians can’t seem to get any traction, but the fault is their own, they’ve done a lousy job getting their message out. [/quote]
Chushin - People often confuse tradition with religion. You can justify anything by taking words out of context from either the Bible or the Quran.
Let’s go down your list:
terrorism - not allowed in Islam, and has been denounced by multiple American Muslim Organizations, and tons of scholars all over the globe, Again - Quran says Be not the aggressor, and innocent life is not to be taken for any cause.
stonings - are allowed by the Quran in certain circumstances that require exhaustive proof (ie 4 witnesses to adultery), but require due process through an Islamic court if living in such a land
suicide bombings - not allowed in Islam, not in the Quran, suicide is clearly forbidden in Quran
beheadings - whatever i’ve seen in the media that’s done is not justified by Quran/Sunnah
honor killings - not even mentioned in the Quran
Why do you always point the blame on Muslims, even when they are the victims of bigotry? Why does a Muslim American have to answer to anything if he hasn’t done any crime? Why don’t you answer something? Why are you judging all followers of a religion by the actions of the few ? Are you foolish enough to believe all the sensational media that you read/see ?
You don’t respond to the links that I posted, yet you want me to respond to a bunch of anti-islamic websites ? You want me to respond to them so you can throw out another argument and find another way to bash Muslims? How about you do some work and actually read both sides of the story and read the sources of information that they claim. The website that explains the ICNA handbook quotes one phrase “Expansion of Islam” and then makes assumptions on what that means. ICNA’s charter is to make Muslims better Muslims and provide social and relif services to people in America and abroad. Yes they were listed as unindicted co-conspirators, do you know what that means? That doesn’t mean they were co-conspirators, rather it means that they are alleged co-conspirators, big difference. And if you didn’t notice there are 300 co-conspirators, which basically means any and all Muslim organizations got throw on the list.
Why do you get your understanding about Islam from anti-Islam websites? That’s like how you tried to explain the arabic Quran using the definition of an english word. I wouldn’t get my understanding of the Democratic Party from Republicans, or go to Protestants to get an understanding of Catholics, they will obviously have a strong bias. How about you go to a couple of mosques and talk to the religious leaders and find out what they actually believe and practice.
Let me ask you and reddog to respond to something, don’t even bother responding to the rest -
What is Sharia ? Don’t go look it up, give me your current understanding