'Muscle Profiling?'

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I’m half swedish and ene though live in Copenhagen (capital of Denmark to all you F- in geography) it’s only 30 min away from Sweden so I spend a considerable amount of time there.

To adress some questions and issued: It’s really not being noticed in Sweden. We have much bigger problems. Let’s be realistic; It’s a few cases of idiot cops. It’s a pretty far stretch to comparing it to Germany in the 1930’s-40’s. Loads of big guys in Sweden, bigger than many of those seen in the different cases have never had this problem.

But yes, it’s ignorant and I agree that it’s an issue to be handled.

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[quote]Bullmoose33 wrote:
I’ve heard that Scandinavian countries tend to be a bit moralistic. [/quote]

No, we just agree more with each other and are better looking than most other nations.

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[quote]Billy Whizz wrote:
I’m half swedish and ene though live in Copenhagen (capital of Denmark to all you F- in geography) it’s only 30 min away from Sweden so I spend a considerable amount of time there.

To adress some questions and issued: It’s really not being noticed in Sweden. We have much bigger problems. Let’s be realistic; It’s a few cases of idiot cops. It’s a pretty far stretch to comparing it to Germany in the 1930’s-40’s. Loads of big guys in Sweden, bigger than many of those seen in the different cases have never had this problem.

But yes, it’s ignorant and I agree that it’s an issue to be handled. [/quote]

Actually, it is not that much of stretch because teh Nazis modeled Germany after the Swedish folkhemmet and vice versa.

So, at least as far social policies and the rights of the individual is concerned, which is basically what this thread is about, it is no stretch whatsoever.

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It unfortunately, is necessary to profile in certain situations. Call that unfair or BS or whatever you like. Ask actual police officers, they might deny it but a 2AM robbery reported in a neighborhood and the cops pull up and see 3 ghetto gangbanging looking black people on the left side of the street, and 3 white trash white people on the right side of the street. Who do you think their first thought is on arresting or questioning?

Profiling someone based on their race is worse than profiling someone because of their size. Again you may think thats unfair but people cant do anything about their race. Their size is by choice. Still i know, not a good reason but if you polled the majority of americans, in my opinion they would see profiling because of race worse than profiling people with big muscles.

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[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

It unfortunately, is necessary to profile in certain situations. Call that unfair or BS or whatever you like. Ask actual police officers, they might deny it but a 2AM robbery reported in a neighborhood and the cops pull up and see 3 ghetto gangbanging looking black people on the left side of the street, and 3 white trash white people on the right side of the street. Who do you think their first thought is on arresting or questioning?[/quote]

If they aren’t racist, it should be both…unless that cop is dumb enough to think white people don’t commit crimes.

[quote]
Profiling someone based on their race is worse than profiling someone because of their size. Again you may think thats unfair but people cant do anything about their race. Their size is by choice. Still i know, not a good reason but if you polled the majority of americans, in my opinion they would see profiling because of race worse than profiling people with big muscles.[/quote]

Bullshit. Someone like Herschel Walker doesn’t even lift weights seriously but would no doubt be dragged into jail in that part of that country.

They are arresting innocent people because of some bullshit medical advice that all people who use steroids are the only ones who can build big traps or big biceps. It is essentially NO different than using race as a reason to take someone to jail.

Both are physical qualities used to assume the guilt of someone without due process.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:

It unfortunately, is necessary to profile in certain situations. Call that unfair or BS or whatever you like. Ask actual police officers, they might deny it but a 2AM robbery reported in a neighborhood and the cops pull up and see 3 ghetto gangbanging looking black people on the left side of the street, and 3 white trash white people on the right side of the street. Who do you think their first thought is on arresting or questioning?[/quote]

If they aren’t racist, it should be both…unless that cop is dumb enough to think white people don’t commit crimes.

[quote]
Profiling someone based on their race is worse than profiling someone because of their size. Again you may think thats unfair but people cant do anything about their race. Their size is by choice. Still i know, not a good reason but if you polled the majority of americans, in my opinion they would see profiling because of race worse than profiling people with big muscles.[/quote]

Bullshit. Someone like Herschel Walker doesn’t even lift weights seriously but would no doubt be dragged into jail in that part of that country.

They are arresting innocent people because of some bullshit medical advice that all people who use steroids are the only ones who can build big traps or big biceps. It is essentially NO different than using race as a reason to take someone to jail.

Both are physical qualities used to assume the guilt of someone without due process.[/quote]

Due Process? Didnt big brother get rid of that?

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I was told in the Marines if you get huge really quick they will test you.

I don’t know if its happend to anyone.

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It isnt racism when you go with stats. The majority of crimes in america are committed by black people (based on percentages of population). So when a cop has to pick between 2 groups of people, both not where they are supposed to be at 2AM, you cant fault him for going with the math and profiling the black people first. Going by the math, he will probably be right.

If you need more information on this subject, please check this:

white-history.com/usacrime.htm

totally unbiased.

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[quote]ExtremistPullup wrote:
I was told in the Marines if you get huge really quick they will test you.

I don’t know if its happend to anyone.[/quote]

You are not a civilian in the military.

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[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
It isnt racism when you go with stats. The majority of crimes in america are committed by black people (based on percentages of population). So when a cop has to pick between 2 groups of people, both not where they are supposed to be at 2AM, you cant fault him for going with the math and profiling the black people first. Going by the math, he will probably be right.

If you need more information on this subject, please check this:

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

totally unbiased.

[/quote]

Most POOR PEOPLE commit most crimes. It is also racist to ignore that and assume the issue is skin color.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ExtremistPullup wrote:
I was told in the Marines if you get huge really quick they will test you.

I don’t know if its happend to anyone.[/quote]

You are not a civilian in the military.[/quote]

very true

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“Muscle profiling” is a fancy term for looking at this woman and thinking “she’s either got a 21-alpha hydroxylase deficiency or she might have taken steroids, which is illegal and hence my job to investigate”. It all boils down to comparing the right to be big without being bothered to the other legal rights in the country being discussed, which not many of us know and are perhaps not suited to discuss.

Apparently, muscle profiling originated in America, and has probably been used against more than 3 people EVER:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-bureau-of-narcotics-and-profiling-bodybuilders-as-steroid-users/
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-steroid-investigation-targets-secret-service-agent-because-of-muscular-physique/

“Discuss.”

And please, can this be the last thread where people analyze Sweden’s legal system in five seconds and post their conclusions? (Not directed at you, Stu)

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[quote]kakno wrote:
“Muscle profiling” is a fancy term for looking at this woman and thinking “she’s either got a 21-alpha hydroxylase deficiency or she might have taken steroids, which is illegal and hence my job to investigate”. It all boils down to comparing the right to be big without being bothered to the other legal rights in the country being discussed, which not many of us know and are perhaps not suited to discuss.

Apparently, muscle profiling originated in America, and has probably been used against more than 3 people EVER:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-bureau-of-narcotics-and-profiling-bodybuilders-as-steroid-users/
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-steroid-investigation-targets-secret-service-agent-because-of-muscular-physique/

“Discuss.”

And please, can this be the last thread where people analyze Sweden’s legal system in five seconds and post their conclusions? (Not directed at you, Stu)[/quote]

Looks like Steve Perry has been bulking…

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[quote]kakno wrote:
“Muscle profiling” is a fancy term for looking at this woman and thinking “she’s either got a 21-alpha hydroxylase deficiency or she might have taken steroids, which is illegal and hence my job to investigate”. [/quote]

They arrested a NON-SWEDISH citizen who came from a country where steroids are NOT illegal with a prescription…so it doesn’t matter if some swedish cop thinks someone is too big. Unless that cop has proof of a crime actually being committed, they are out of bounds here BIG TIME.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
It isnt racism when you go with stats. The majority of crimes in america are committed by black people (based on percentages of population). So when a cop has to pick between 2 groups of people, both not where they are supposed to be at 2AM, you cant fault him for going with the math and profiling the black people first. Going by the math, he will probably be right.

If you need more information on this subject, please check this:

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

totally unbiased.

[/quote]

Most POOR PEOPLE commit most crimes. It is also racist to ignore that and assume the issue is skin color.[/quote]
lol at unbiased website

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[quote]kakno wrote:
“Muscle profiling” is a fancy term for looking at this woman and thinking “she’s either got a 21-alpha hydroxylase deficiency or she might have taken steroids, which is illegal and hence my job to investigate”. It all boils down to comparing the right to be big without being bothered to the other legal rights in the country being discussed, which not many of us know and are perhaps not suited to discuss.

Apparently, muscle profiling originated in America, and has probably been used against more than 3 people EVER:

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-bureau-of-narcotics-and-profiling-bodybuilders-as-steroid-users/
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/oklahoma-steroid-investigation-targets-secret-service-agent-because-of-muscular-physique/

“Discuss.”

And please, can this be the last thread where people analyze Sweden’s legal system in five seconds and post their conclusions? (Not directed at you, Stu)[/quote]

Congrats Sweden is as fucked up as Oklahoma

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
People care very little for those with the physique of a bodybuilder, why would they be up in arms over them being profiled when racial profiling receives very little attention?
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What are you talking about? Are you even from America? You just pulled “people care very little for those with the physique of a bodybuilder” comment right out of your ass.

You completely skipped over my question as to why one basis of profiling is worse than the other?[/quote]

Alright, show me the sympathy from the average American on this issue. I bet most haven’t even heard of this and if they’ve they don’t care. Steroids are so demonized in this country it’s comical, I doubt many would care if they started muscle profiling anyway.

People make the choice to compete as a professional bodybuilder, that’s who’s being profiled in this case. You don’t make a choice to belong to an ethnic group.[/quote]

so its ok to profile someone as long as what you’re profiling them for you deem to be their choice?

(i still dont think you’re from the US)[/quote]

Those professional bodybuilders are most likely using AAS aren’t they? I’m not saying I support “muscle profiling”, just that it’s ridiculous to think there would be an outrage over it in America. There’s not even an outrage over racial profiling in America and it’s far more prevalent than “muscle profiling”. Racial profiling in America maybe gets a 5 minute discussion on a news network every so often.

What would make you think I’m not from the US? [/quote]

Again you’re avoiding my original question based on your first post. It’s ok to profile people in certain cases? Profiling someone based ok their race or sexual orientation is worse than profiling someone based on their size?[/quote]

I wasn’t speaking of profiling on their size, it’d be profiling them by their occupation. And when your occupation involves using such substances it’s not quite profiling now is it? Regardless, taking the original debate of profiling between race and occupation[bodybuilder], I’d say racial profiling is infinitely more despicable. Even if it were profiling them on their size racial profiling would still be much worse, racial profiling has lead to some serious injuries and is still prevalent yet receives very little attention in America. Muscle profiling has lead to what, a urinalysis?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]Kalle wrote:
I sadly know a whole lot of people who I think would be FOR “muscle profiling” It is just crazy.

This article was posted in the Tony Freeman thread and there is an actual guideline to how to spot steroid users. Which includes “large trapezius muscles” which is just ridiculous. [/quote]

So it’s went beyond just profiling bodybuilders? That’s really weird then. I’m wondering what the motivation for it’s, if any.[/quote]

Yes, they are arresting people just because they look like they’ve seen a gym before. One guy was arrested at a night club by another lady cop and taken in for testing only to come up clear. They are NOT just going after IFBB pros. They are being told that large traps mean you use steroids illegally so anyone with big traps who looks like they lift could be arrested.

Anyone supporting that at all even by ignoring arrests of pro bodybuilders seems to be missing a few screws. If you are ok with it happening to them, but not ok with it happening to people who look like you, then you seem to be ignorant of the snowball effect these types of actions can have…even here.[/quote]

It really makes me wonder why Sweden has taken such a hardline stance on this. I guess there are droves of men with large traps plundering supermarkets and making off with all the protein.

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

It really makes me wonder why Sweden has taken such a hardline stance on this. I guess there are droves of men with large traps plundering supermarkets and making off with all the protein.
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It’s the same reason most people do…they are really weak or small and feel either intimidated or inferior around these people so they attack it disproportionately. There could be no other reason. How is Toney Freeman using steroids affecting ANYONE else in the world? To take a stance like that would mean you are obviously for getting rid of all immoral acts in all sports, media or all around celebrity and acting like you are doing it to save the children.

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[quote]lemonman456 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mokaloka99 wrote:
It isnt racism when you go with stats. The majority of crimes in america are committed by black people (based on percentages of population). So when a cop has to pick between 2 groups of people, both not where they are supposed to be at 2AM, you cant fault him for going with the math and profiling the black people first. Going by the math, he will probably be right.

If you need more information on this subject, please check this:

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

totally unbiased.

[/quote]

Most POOR PEOPLE commit most crimes. It is also racist to ignore that and assume the issue is skin color.[/quote]
lol at unbiased website[/quote]

Yeah. It’s obviously unbiased by the name. :wink: But you will find that mokaloka lives in his own world and is good for a laugh.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s the same reason most people do…they are really weak or small and feel either intimidated or inferior around these people so they attack it disproportionately. There could be no other reason. How is Toney Freeman using steroids affecting ANYONE else in the world? To take a stance like that would mean you are obviously for getting rid of all immoral acts in all sports, media or all around celebrity and acting like you are doing it to save the children.
[/quote]

Focus. You’re now questioning steroid legislation in general, not Swedish laws specifically.

You’re arguments about only approaching someone if you’ve already got proof is ridiculous. That almost never happens, and if a chick looks like Irene Andersen, suspecting steroid use (and with our and your legislation a crime unless she has a prescription (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!)) and investigating it makes sense. Whether or not steroids should be legal is another issue.

There’s already a thread about this.