[quote]mikew55 wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
You need Vitamin D3, in a softgel.
If it does not fit above criteria, discard.
And D3 needs to be refrigerated.
you will need at least 6000IU a day
I currently take 4000 IU a day D3, of the white tic tac looking pills.
What is the difference with the softgels?
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Softgels absorb better
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The only D3 products that need to be refrigerated are bulk liquids.
And while 6000 per day is fine, it is going past what is known to say one “needs at least” that amount. For example if a product is 5000 IU per capsule one need not reject it or assume two capsules must be taken per day.[/quote]
I know quite a few gents who take D3 and monitor their serum levels via 25-hydroxy vitamin D measurement sold at lef.
The general consensus is that it takes at least 6000IU to get in the mid to upper range of that test.
Just their experience.
I would treat Vitamin D3 softgels like fish oil and fridge em’. The best D3 is the stuff extracted from fish liver oil anyways.
Best to be on the safe side.
[quote]redgladiator wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
redgladiator wrote:
Wise Guy wrote:
Fish Oil, I’m going to assume you probably use some bogus store bought brand too. Again pointless. You need high DHA fish oil.
Why is it pointless? Why are you assuming low DHA?
Some fish oil is better than none at all, even the cheap stuff has some benefits. Of course if you have money go for Flameout.
I’m assuming low DHA because most fish oil sold at the store is low DHA, and I’m also assuming the original poster probably doesn’t know what he is purchasing.
I can show you some interesting studies on EPA showing it really isn’t much at all and can actually be counterproductive when taken in higher doses
You can only take so much Omega 3 fatty acids before you will actually have a an overabundance of them. And since you only have an allotted amount, its best to make it mostly DHA. Not this 180 EPA 120 DHA stuff they sell at the store. I would rather eat real fish before I would take that.
And yes I am familiar that real fish have more EPA than DHA, but at least with real fish i would be getting a myriad of other health benefits too(protein, calcium, vitamin A and D, ALA, amino acids, etc…)
DHA>EPA and it is also more expensive. It is very difficult to eat too much omega3 without supplementation. Some people want omega3 daily, eating fish daily may not be suitable for everyone.
Are you actually recommending the OP stop taking any fish oil? He mostly likey cannot afford high DHA rich fish oil at the moment.[/quote]
Good points.
But heck, I think taking one single Flameout cap a day would be better than messing with that store bought crap.
That runs him 10 bucks a month.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Superfood ----->[/quote]
as a multi?
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Superfood ----->
as a multi?[/quote]
yes.
[quote]slimthugger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Superfood ----->
as a multi?[/quote]
Superfood provides polyphenols, flavonoids, anthocyanins, sulphoranes, catechins, and other phytonutrients, and no doubt some vitamins come along with that as well, but it is not designed to provide each and every vitamin and mineral and that isn’t the case.
Ok so I need to take D3 soft gels - at least 6000 IU/ day? Seems excessive. Does everyone agree to this dose?
Pretty sure I just said that for example 5000 is hardly shown not to be also good, if that’s what a product happens to provide. Not a big difference of course.
As it happens I use a 2000 IU product and so on non-tanning days I do take the 6000 IU.
[quote]Fluid wrote:
Ok so I need to take D3 soft gels - at least 6000 IU/ day? Seems excessive. Does everyone agree to this dose?[/quote]
Again, I know quite a few gents who take D3 and monitor their serum levels via 25-hydroxy vitamin D measurement sold at lef.
The general consensus is that it takes at least 6000IU to get in the mid to upper range of that test.
Check this out
Wow, that’s amazing: proof that 5000 IU can’t meet a person’s needs.
Not.
Why don’t you try reading the thread yourself again? There is no evidence in it whatsoever that everyone needs 6000 IU as a minimum. Some of the more thoughtful and informed contributors in fact posted to the contrary, apparently based on blood test results.
Therefore “you will need at least 6000 IU per day” was not rightly stated and I don’t know why you continue objecting, apparently, to my pointing out that that is making too broad and exact a claim.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Wow, that’s amazing: proof that 5000 IU can’t meet a person’s needs.
Not.
Why don’t you try reading the thread yourself again? There is no evidence in it whatsoever that everyone needs 6000 IU as a minimum. Some of the more thoughtful and informed contributors in fact posted to the contrary, apparently based on blood test results.
Therefore “you will need at least 6000 IU per day” was not rightly stated and I don’t know why you continue objecting, apparently, to my pointing out that that is making too broad and exact a claim.[/quote]
Read it? I MODERATE the board.
Perhaps YOU need to read it again.
One quote, from JackBauer
“Right now I’m sticking with what I have because I am only getting my 25OH tests like 1-2x a year, so experimenting with something new, tweaking until I get the dose right… Well I don’t have the opportunity really. So I’m sticking with the 5kIU capsules, just 10 or so a week.”
Another, from Greenie
"Now, while some people can achieve the 60-70 level on 4000iu, most require 6000-12000iu a day. I require 8000iu, and 10000iu a day in winter. I use NOW brand D3, 2000iu softgels.
Again, it is important to get your D level checked regularly until you get to the magic 60-70 level. Once there you can just maintain it using the dosage that got you there. I use LEF for $47 for my test"
Trust me, at first I was like “WTF” too…But with much more research on that board and other boards, I too learned the truth. It takes quite a bit of D3 to hit the upper ranges. Way more so than you would think
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Superfood ----->
as a multi?
Superfood provides polyphenols, flavonoids, anthocyanins, sulphoranes, catechins, and other phytonutrients, and no doubt some vitamins come along with that as well, but it is not designed to provide each and every vitamin and mineral and that isn’t the case.[/quote]
I stand corrected, though would you agree it can replace a multi- along with supplementing with a few select vitamins and minerals like Vitamin D, C and E that seem to get a lot of attention.
Or would you still stick with a multi, Superfood and individual vitamins/minerals? just all seems to overlap too much from a cost perspective
Then your reading comprehension is truly bad.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Then your reading comprehension is truly bad.[/quote]
Read my post again.
I understand there are alot of dicks on this board to deal with, but trust me, I’m generally not one of them
Generally though.
I love this site and your contributions FYI
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
slimthugger wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Superfood ----->
as a multi?
Superfood provides polyphenols, flavonoids, anthocyanins, sulphoranes, catechins, and other phytonutrients, and no doubt some vitamins come along with that as well, but it is not designed to provide each and every vitamin and mineral and that isn’t the case.
I stand corrected, though would you agree it can replace a multi- along with supplementing with a few select vitamins and minerals like Vitamin D, C and E that seem to get a lot of attention.
Or would you still stick with a multi, Superfood and individual vitamins/minerals? just all seems to overlap too much from a cost perspective[/quote]
Hey bud.
Superfood is a great start.
Generally, I would say that D3 is the most important vitamin that your generally not going to get from Superfood, or from regular food in general.
After that, ZMA would be a good bet.
That should have you decently covered.
Vitamin E? Eh, cost versus effetiveness, I’m just not a fan
If you take Flameout, i think CLA kicks vitamin E’s ass on every level. And its way more cost effective.
The effective Vitamin E supps contain mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols. And they are pricey. Your money is best spent elsewhere. Buy some more protein, or CoQ10
Just IMO
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Then your reading comprehension is truly bad.[/quote]
Here is another example, from JansZ
"My lab (GD) broked intervals like this:
On test in 6/08/08
25-OH Vitamin D=56ng/mL
test 8/07/08
25-OH Vitamin D=152ng/mL
On a first test I was on about 8000iu/day plus lots of suntan.
I increased to 10000iu and keept suntan (and overdosed on vit D).
Note;
On 6/08/08 the range was
Optimal=40-80ng/mL
On 8/07/08
they put in a note that new research supports change to higher optimal range and that their assay is cleared by FDA.
I love how I have research and testing to back up my claims, and you have only insults and words.
More from Greenie
60-80ng/ml is the range to shoot for for max therapeutic value. It’s amazing how many places I still see 400iu a day as the recommended daily dose!
Testing is the only way to see what your body really needs.
When I went to Maui last year, I continued to take 10000iu a day (at that time) plus I was in the sun all day…when I returned I tested at 105! I was at 72 before I left, so I know my body still does produce D3, but how many of us get that much sun each day???
I felt great at that 105 level. I wonder if they will continue to revise the level upward as more research comes out…this is all very new data.
Plaque regression is the most compelling effect, but cancer and other disease prevention is huge as well of course. I loved LEF’s article on how much this D3 supplementation would save if everyone took it. Amazing little hormone!
From Greenie
Testing is the only way to see what your body really needs.
When I went to Maui last year, I continued to take 10000iu a day (at that time) plus I was in the sun all day…when I returned I tested at 105! I was at 72 before I left, so I know my body still does produce D3, but how many of us get that much sun each day???
I felt great at that 105 level. I wonder if they will continue to revise the level upward as more research comes out…this is all very new data.
Plaque regression is the most compelling effect, but cancer and other disease prevention is huge as well of course. I loved LEF’s article on how much this D3 supplementation would save if everyone took it. Amazing little hormone!
[quote]Wise Guy wrote:
I love how I have research and testing to back up my claims, and you have only insults and words.
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I don’t see any insults.
The fellow need only read – this time paying attention and comprehending – his own cited thread to see that what I said was accurate.
He insists he has read it but still posts with no comprehension of what his own cited source says on the point I raised.
I don’t waste time arguing with people that don’t comprehend what they read. There is no point. The statements he needs to comprehend are already there for him on a site he moderates himself, in a thread he cited himself. Since he doesn’t “get” that, he won’t get anything I say either.