Multiculturalism Has Failed

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that one can be arrested in England for criticizing Muslims? Is there a hate speech statute? Can someone from England please verify this?[/quote]

Yes one can be arrested for criticizing any ethnic or religious group if the speech is likely to cause offence or to incite violence.

For example a man was arrested for flying a Palestinian flag with the slogan “zionism = Nazism” written on it a few weeks ago. Personally I think he is a dick for that slogan but I’m not keen on arresting him for it.

Free speech is within strict limits over here nowadays.[/quote]

This is simply not true.

I have seen marching protestors with Israel is an apartheid state signs, signs using hitler with Israeli imagery. There is no law preventing me from offending anyone. If I however go around on the street calling people niggers that then crosses the line into a public order offence.

There is no law which entitles police to arrest you for political flags etc.

Cops however have something where no matter what they can arrest you, usually for something like a fray. No charges are filed and nothing will come of it but any cop anywhere can arrest you if they choose. Always been that way.

That does not mean there is a legal system in place that views political signs as grounds for arrest.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that one can be arrested in England for criticizing Muslims? Is there a hate speech statute? Can someone from England please verify this?[/quote]

Yes one can be arrested for criticizing any ethnic or religious group if the speech is likely to cause offence or to incite violence.

For example a man was arrested for flying a Palestinian flag with the slogan “zionism = Nazism” written on it a few weeks ago. Personally I think he is a dick for that slogan but I’m not keen on arresting him for it.

Free speech is within strict limits over here nowadays.[/quote]

This is simply not true.

I have seen marching protestors with Israel is an apartheid state signs, signs using hitler with Israeli imagery. There is no law preventing me from offending anyone. If I however go around on the street calling people niggers that then crosses the line into a public order offence.

There is no law which entitles police to arrest you for political flags etc.

Cops however have something where no matter what they can arrest you, usually for something like a fray. No charges are filed and nothing will come of it but any cop anywhere can arrest you if they choose. Always been that way.

That does not mean there is a legal system in place that views political signs as grounds for arrest.

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So.

Do you deny members of the EDL are arrested for protesting and “offending”?

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that one can be arrested in England for criticizing Muslims? Is there a hate speech statute? Can someone from England please verify this?[/quote]

Yes one can be arrested for criticizing any ethnic or religious group if the speech is likely to cause offence or to incite violence.

For example a man was arrested for flying a Palestinian flag with the slogan “zionism = Nazism” written on it a few weeks ago. Personally I think he is a dick for that slogan but I’m not keen on arresting him for it.

Free speech is within strict limits over here nowadays.[/quote]

In Canada, Australia, and most of Europe, its now a “hate crime” to publicly criticize protected groups. Truth is not allowed as evidence in hate crimes trials. All that matters are the delicate feelings of members of federally protected groups.

A homosexual can claim emotional damage from hearing Scripture that describes his lifestyle as an abomination. He can press charges against the pastor or broadcaster who merely reads the Bible in public. Liberals and non-Christians are also increasingly unprotected from a Muslim who objects to their criticism of Islam. The “Hater” can be fined thousands of dollars and even imprisoned!

Can you believe that 2 pastors were cited for “hate speech” several years ago. Their crime? Reciting verses out of the Koran.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

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Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

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Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]lou21 wrote:

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Any truth to the rumor that one can be arrested in England for criticizing Muslims? Is there a hate speech statute? Can someone from England please verify this?[/quote]

Yes one can be arrested for criticizing any ethnic or religious group if the speech is likely to cause offence or to incite violence.

For example a man was arrested for flying a Palestinian flag with the slogan “zionism = Nazism” written on it a few weeks ago. Personally I think he is a dick for that slogan but I’m not keen on arresting him for it.

Free speech is within strict limits over here nowadays.[/quote]

In Canada, Australia, and most of Europe, its now a “hate crime” to publicly criticize protected groups. Truth is not allowed as evidence in hate crimes trials. All that matters are the delicate feelings of members of federally protected groups.

A homosexual can claim emotional damage from hearing Scripture that describes his lifestyle as an abomination. He can press charges against the pastor or broadcaster who merely reads the Bible in public. Liberals and non-Christians are also increasingly unprotected from a Muslim who objects to their criticism of Islam. The “Hater” can be fined thousands of dollars and even imprisoned!

Can you believe that 2 pastors were cited for “hate speech” several years ago. Their crime? Reciting verses out of the Koran.[/quote]

An Islamic radical named Choudry here in London preaches in public with a police presence, calls for a caliphate, calls for jihad and war and is never arrested for it.

EDL members throw up Nazi salutes without being arrested.

Again people are arrested when they cross the line and begin to intimidate people in public on a personal level, such as vocally assaulting and harassing members of the public, in public.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:
There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

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Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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SM:

Are you familiar with the Muslim London Patrol???

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

[/quote]

Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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Scholes: same question sir.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

[/quote]

Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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SM:

Are you familiar with the Muslim London Patrol???

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3555/sharia-law-london[/quote]

Yes I’ve heard about them. I haven’t been to the UK for years but I try to keep up with what’s going on over there. England has a Pakistani population that’s been there since partition. Many of them have assimilated reasonably well but their children are growing up in a nihilist society with no culture so they are attracted to radical Islam. Then there are all the immigrants from Muslim countries being brought in as well. They’re becoming ghettoised like in France, Belgium, Sweden etc.

To be honest I find it difficult to really care much because European culture has already been meticulously deconstructed. Modern liberalism is essentially nihilism. If it’s a choice between nihilism or Islamofascism it’s not really much of a choice.

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

[/quote]

Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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Scholes: same question sir. [/quote]

Paul Weston is a European version of a white nationalist, He purposefully goes to very mixed ethnic areas and quotes an extremely reactionary, racist, fenian hating imperialist, singling out Islam as some huge threat to our country, which most of us view as complete nonsense.

Inciting a riot and or upsetting members of the public with non sanctioned rallies or marches or demonstrations where you spout biggoted nonsense is clearly grounds for arrest.

Notice He was not charged, he did not suffer persecuion for his views, he was arrested and not charged or convicted with anything. Being arrested for causing a nusance or simply causing ill feeling by forcing political ramblings on strangers and passers bye when ou don’t have a permit and a sanctioned demonstration almost always leads to arrest, sometimes to protect the one rambling, sometimes so the police can defuse the situation because that person is in breach of public order by their intent.

For example EDL members marching through asian areas throwing up Nazi salutes and chanting paki scum out out out are free to plan a demonstartion arguing for an end to immigration, they are not free to openly intimidate, insult and incite a riot in peoples communities.

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ScholesGoals wrote:

There is no law preventing me from offending someone else

[/quote]

Please stop addressing me in this thread. I do not engage with white nationalists.

Thank you.
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Scholes: same question sir. [/quote]

Paul Weston is a European version of a white nationalist, He purposefully goes to very mixed ethnic areas and quotes an extremely reactionary, racist, fenian hating imperialist, singling out Islam as some huge threat to our country, which most of us view as complete nonsense.

Inciting a riot and or upsetting members of the public with non sanctioned rallies or marches or demonstrations where you spout biggoted nonsense is clearly grounds for arrest.

Notice He was not charged, he did not suffer persecuion for his views, he was arrested and not charged or convicted with anything. Being arrested for causing a nusance or simply causing ill feeling by forcing political ramblings on strangers and passers bye when ou don’t have a permit and a sanctioned demonstration almost always leads to arrest, sometimes to protect the one rambling, sometimes so the police can defuse the situation because that person is in breach of public order by their intent.

For example EDL members marching through asian areas throwing up Nazi salutes and chanting paki scum out out out are free to plan a demonstartion arguing for an end to immigration, they are not free to openly intimidate, insult and incite a riot in peoples communities.

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I see. So “non sanctioned rallies” are valid grounds for arrest?

Mr. Weston’s conduct is debatable. You don’t think it’s provocative to illustrate a point?

[quote]kamui wrote:

Once culture has been reduced to a few superficial gimmicks, it has become irrelevant and unimportant enough to deserve universal tolerance, or rather total indifference.

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And who is responsible for reducing culture to a few superficial gimmicks? The New Left. They carried out a sustained and relentless attack on traditionalism and then dove head first into nihilism in the 1960’s.

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Now, the cold hard reality of “multiculturalism” is the programmed death of the vast majority of human languages before the end of this century. [/quote]

The left argue that no large scale demographic changes have occurred or are occurring. They also managed to somehow annihilate the concept of national sovereignty - around the early 1990’s they suddenly took border security and immigration policy off the table. Anyone who resisted were driven from public office, journalists were fired etc.

Nationalists don’t realise that they already lost the fight decades ago. Traditionalists have been hapless in their response. They know it’s a fait accompli so they just try to draw out the battle with the nihilists and buy themselves a few more years.

Scholes,

Do you think Nationalism is inherently evil?

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Scholes,

Do you think Nationalism is inherently evil?[/quote]

He does indeed. Scholes is the result of a form of cultural terrorism and ultra-nihilism. Just as the Germans sent Lenin into Russia as a form of cultural and political terrorism so too did the Soviets - see KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov. Radicals in academia and collaborators/spies in western governments aided them. Cultural Marxism is essentially a psychological warfare operation.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

Once culture has been reduced to a few superficial gimmicks, it has become irrelevant and unimportant enough to deserve universal tolerance, or rather total indifference.

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And who is responsible for reducing culture to a few superficial gimmicks? The New Left. They carried out a sustained and relentless attack on traditionalism and then dove head first into nihilism in the 1960’s.

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Now, the cold hard reality of “multiculturalism” is the programmed death of the vast majority of human languages before the end of this century. [/quote]

The left argue that no large scale demographic changes have occurred or are occurring. They also managed to somehow annihilate the concept of national sovereignty - around the early 1990’s they suddenly took border security and immigration policy off the table. Anyone who resisted were driven from public office, journalists were fired etc.

Nationalists don’t realise that they already lost the fight decades ago. Traditionalists have been hapless in their response. They know it’s a fait accompli so they just try to draw out the battle with the nihilists and buy themselves a few more years. [/quote]

You act as if this were only in the liberal interest? The reality is people have been made off of illegal labor pretty much since our country has been around. From indentured servants, slaves, railroad workers, bracero workers, to, “Illegal laborers.” Or whatever you need to call people these days. Both Dems and Repubs have been keeping it this way so that various companies, corporations and even private families can have some form of cheap labor.

If we went from wealthy home to wealthy home in California, and in earnest tried to identify the families that have something like a housekeeper, gardener, or some kind of caretaker for an elderly person, how many families wouldn’t, or don’t pay someone under the table to take care of shit?

That’s how shit has been done in the U.S. since I’ve been alive. Since our grandfathers grandfathers have been around. And you want to pin it on Dems and 1990? :slight_smile: Silly goose.

Maybe the thing about your/my culture is that we rely too heavily on some form of cheap labor, and we have for a very long time. Now, we are reaping the natural fruits of those actions… Since after all part of our culture is exploiting the poor for profit. If I were an alien examining us that would be one of the qualities of mankind in general, so I’m not trying to single the U.S. and our culture out. But since we are talking about culture and cultural norms I figured it should be brought up since we are supposed to be all about democracy, a bastion of freedom and autonomy as part of our culture as well.

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

Once culture has been reduced to a few superficial gimmicks, it has become irrelevant and unimportant enough to deserve universal tolerance, or rather total indifference.

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And who is responsible for reducing culture to a few superficial gimmicks? The New Left. They carried out a sustained and relentless attack on traditionalism and then dove head first into nihilism in the 1960’s.

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Now, the cold hard reality of “multiculturalism” is the programmed death of the vast majority of human languages before the end of this century. [/quote]

The left argue that no large scale demographic changes have occurred or are occurring. They also managed to somehow annihilate the concept of national sovereignty - around the early 1990’s they suddenly took border security and immigration policy off the table. Anyone who resisted were driven from public office, journalists were fired etc.

Nationalists don’t realise that they already lost the fight decades ago. Traditionalists have been hapless in their response. They know it’s a fait accompli so they just try to draw out the battle with the nihilists and buy themselves a few more years. [/quote]

You act as if this were only in the liberal interest? The reality is people have been made off of illegal labor pretty much since our country has been around. From indentured servants, slaves, railroad workers, bracero workers, to, “Illegal laborers.” Or whatever you need to call people these days. Both Dems and Repubs have been keeping it this way so that various companies, corporations and even private families can have some form of cheap labor.

If we went from wealthy home to wealthy home in California, and in earnest tried to identify the families that have something like a housekeeper, gardener, or some kind of caretaker for an elderly person, how many families wouldn’t, or don’t pay someone under the table to take care of shit?

That’s how shit has been done in the U.S. since I’ve been alive. Since our grandfathers grandfathers have been around. And you want to pin it on Dems and 1990? :slight_smile: Silly goose. [/quote]

That’s crony capitalism. But that’s a separate side issue to my point. Border security and a lawful and orderly immigration policy used to be a given - it wasn’t controversial. It was standard in the platforms of both parties. Cesar Chavez was a strong supporter of border security and deportations. I’m not blaming it all on the Democrat Party(although they were the host of ideological multiculturalism.) Reagan signed the first big amnesty bill in modern times. I think there have been around six more since then supported by both parties. As I said, the cultural and demographic changes are well beyond the point of no return.

I’m not American I’m Australian - you know? Descended from convicts, never had slavery here, never relied on a migrant workforce except for a few sugarcane farmers in Northern Queensland in the late 19th century. But to a Marxist I suppose I’m exploiting cheap labour by virtue of the fact that the shop down the road sells t-shirts made in a sweatshop in China.

“One must have tradition in oneself, to hate it properly.” - Theodor Adorno