[quote]makkun wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
[…]Ah, yes, women tend to lose their rights, which isn’t a good thing. As much as I detest the pussification of modern life and as peculiar as my own views about “gender equality” may be, I don’t want our society to go in that direction. Every step where a society gets more unfree and eager for systematic violence seems wrong to me.
And that’s why there’s no slippery slope - as opposed to gay marriage (what this thread is really about - based on an exchange the OP and I had on the gay marriage thread) the practice of polygamy in its practical application tends to infringe on womens’ rights and liberties. And that’s why it is forbidden and not only opposed by a small majority.
In our free, plural and democratic societies, we’ve put safeguards into place to protect the rights of the individual. [/quote]
Those rights are going away, as are the definitions we’ve used to give women rights and liberties. Kiss them good by. Islam means “Submission.” The British have shown no inclination to oppose the creep of shari’ah or Islam in any way, shape, or form, and the Muslims will push to get what they want (using your own arguments against you, as here) until you are all bowing towards Mecca. BTW, the Islamic definition of marriage allows the man to marry a nine year old and have up to 4 wives.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
[…]Those rights are going away, as are the definitions we’ve used to give women rights and liberties. Kiss them good by. Islam means “Submission.” The British have shown no inclination to oppose the creep of shari’ah or Islam in any way, shape, or form, and the Muslims will push to get what they want (using your own arguments against you, as here) until you are all bowing towards Mecca. BTW, the Islamic definition of marriage allows the man to marry a nine year old and have up to 4 wives.[/quote]
No. I trust in a a society that opposes the hateful stereotypes you promote with almost every post (switching between gay bashing and islam bashing) - not so different from the people you criticise the most. I’m happy to live in a country that is as free from religion as the UK - and therefore has a proud tradition of tolerance; and nowadays even a supranational guarantee of human rights through the human rights act. That’s what really protects us - not the reactionary mutterings of the self-declared ‘defenders of moral values’.
[quote]makkun wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
[…]Those rights are going away, as are the definitions we’ve used to give women rights and liberties. Kiss them good by. Islam means “Submission.” The British have shown no inclination to oppose the creep of shari’ah or Islam in any way, shape, or form, and the Muslims will push to get what they want (using your own arguments against you, as here) until you are all bowing towards Mecca. BTW, the Islamic definition of marriage allows the man to marry a nine year old and have up to 4 wives.
No. I trust in a a society that opposes the hateful stereotypes you promote with almost every post (switching between gay bashing and islam bashing) - not so different from the people you criticise the most. I’m happy to live in a country that is as free from religion as the UK - and therefore has a proud tradition of tolerance; and nowadays even a supranational guarantee of human rights through the human rights act. That’s what really protects us - not the reactionary mutterings of the self-declared ‘defenders of moral values’.
Makkun[/quote]
LOL. Your head is quite far in the sand. Not only are the Muslims outbreeding you, but they’re much more zealous for their way of life than you. The fact that you would call my posts “Islam-bashing” just proves my point. Enjoy your submission. Ask that the Muslims put their yoke lightly on your neck, or just join them.
Someone so supposedly tolerant as you should have no problem recognizing the intolerance of Islam. Instead, you resort to your typical tantrums, PC denunciations, and ad hominems without a shred of refutation of my facts. I’m less than impressed with the Tolerance ™ movement you espouse.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
[…]LOL. Your head is quite far in the sand. Not only are the Muslims outbreeding you, but they’re much more zealous for their way of life than you. The fact that you would call my posts “Islam-bashing” just proves my point. Enjoy your submission. Ask that the Muslims put their yoke lightly on your neck, or just join them.[/quote]
I call your posts “islam bashing” as you categorise a whole group of people as sinister based on their religion (and occasionally their ehnicity). My good christian education has taught that to be a sign of intolerance - and growing up in Germany has reinforced this impression by looking at what can come from that. If I look around T-Nation that seems to be unfortunately a feature of many of the especially vocal posters who refer to themselves as christians - that’s the only zeal I see here. Whenever I see this type of zeal, I’m just as sad and worried when I find it from the proponents of islam.
I must admit that I’m a bit tired of tearing apart your sources when you post on the topic of homosexuality. You’ve shown a remarkable resistance to facts and scientific findings. When it comes to religious sources - I must admit I just can’t bother. Based on your resistance to accept scientific findings on the gay issue, I can’t possibly image I could establish a true dialogue. My tolerance keeps me from resorting to referring to you and your views in the terms you refer others here: comparison to the nazis (the ‘Kristallnacht’ for gay demonstrators) and some really ugly ethnic quotes on Arabs and Muslims. And - I couldn’t be less bothered whether I impress you. I accept your presence and your rhethoric, I’m mostly apppauled by the messages you transmit.
[quote]I call your posts “islam bashing” as you categorise a whole group of people as sinister based on their religion (and occasionally their ehnicity). My good christian education has taught that to be a sign of intolerance - and growing up in Germany has reinforced this impression by looking at what can come from that.
If I look around T-Nation that seems to be unfortunately a feature of many of the especially vocal posters who refer to themselves as christians - that’s the only zeal I see here. Whenever I see this type of zeal, I’m just as sad and worried when I find it from the proponents of islam.[/quote]
I do use the term “Arab” and “Muslim” interchangeably since the Muslims have wiped out all of the non-Muslim Arabs that once lived in Arab countries over the millenia. For example, the Chaldean population of Iraq has been almost completely destroyed by the Muslim Arabs in their latest round of jihad during our present occupation. The Jews that once lived in Iraq and the Maghreb were forced out after Israel was founded, and only the Copts remain in Egypt, where their numbers are dwindling thanks to Islamic intolerance. So “Arab” and “Muslim” are pretty much interchangeable.
Whenever you’re ready to debate the issue of Mohammed’s bellicosity and tyrrany, his depiction in the Qur’an as an excellent model of conduct, and what that means for the behavior of Mohammedans, let me know.