SO Moyer is the oldest pitcher in baseball history to win a game. I know a lot of people claim steriods when older athletes still perform at a high level but I think he’s doing it clean. And because steriods in baseball is such a big topic I think the example he is setting is awesome. (regardless of what people think, if they should be legal in sports or not)
Still throwing fire at 49? Incredible. Thoughts?
I would love to still perform that well in my sport at that age.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
SO Moyer is the oldest pitcher in baseball history to win a game. I know a lot of people claim steriods when older athletes still perform at a high level but I think he’s doing it clean. And because steriods in baseball is such a big topic I think the example he is setting is awesome. (regardless of what people think, if they should be legal in sports or not)
Still throwing fire at 49? Incredible. Thoughts?
First of all, he’s not throwing fire. He didn’t crack 80mph with any of his pitches last night. “Throwing fire” is like 94-95mph or higher.
Secondly, steroids in baseball hasn’t been a big issue for several years now. That shit peaked about 5 years ago, and other than the random journeyman testing positive and Braun’s whole debacle, we haven’t heard shit about steroids in baseball since the new drug-testing program was implemented.
Thirdly, while I think this is a great story and all that, the fact is that he probably made the team for the novelty aspect more than anything else. There’s probably only a couple of teams that he’d have any chance at cracking the rotation, and the Rockies are one of them. I hope he pitches like shit since he’s in the Giants’ division, but it’s still a good story. But let’s temper the superlatives a little bit until he proves this isn’t some novelty act that we’ll all forget about six weeks, 7 losses and a 6.50 ERA later.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
SO Moyer is the oldest pitcher in baseball history to win a game. I know a lot of people claim steriods when older athletes still perform at a high level but I think he’s doing it clean. And because steriods in baseball is such a big topic I think the example he is setting is awesome. (regardless of what people think, if they should be legal in sports or not)
Still throwing fire at 49? Incredible. Thoughts?
First of all, he’s not throwing fire. He didn’t crack 80mph with any of his pitches last night. “Throwing fire” is like 94-95mph or higher.
Secondly, steroids in baseball hasn’t been a big issue for several years now. That shit peaked about 5 years ago, and other than the random journeyman testing positive and Braun’s whole debacle, we haven’t heard shit about steroids in baseball since the new drug-testing program was implemented.
Thirdly, while I think this is a great story and all that, the fact is that he probably made the team for the novelty aspect more than anything else. There’s probably only a couple of teams that he’d have any chance at cracking the rotation, and the Rockies are one of them. I hope he pitches like shit since he’s in the Giants’ division, but it’s still a good story. But let’s temper the superlatives a little bit until he proves this isn’t some novelty act that we’ll all forget about six weeks, 7 losses and a 6.50 ERA later.[/quote]
In three starts he has a 2.55 ERA. He didn’t just get lucky, hes had a few solid starts. I did not think he could come back and be efffective at this age after missing a year. He’s definitely not Nolan throwing 90 mph heat in his mid forties, but he sure is showing that you can get guys out with guile, experience, location, and mixing up pitches (slow, slower, slowest). Also the fact he is pitching at this age as a starter and not some lefty specialist is amazing. He is a much better pitcher than he is an espn analyst.
He’d get murdered in the AL East
A few more things:
pitching wins are absolutely meaningless
He pitched against 3 shitty offences.
his win came against a triple-A calibre team
Although he pitches in the lightest hitting division in baseball, his team also plays half their games at Coors Field (aka Yankee Stadium West) an extreme hitters park.
I sincerely doubt he’ll still be with the big club at the end of the season. If he is, I’ll be surprised if his ERA is under 5 and consider it very likely it will be approaching 6.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
A few more things:
pitching wins are absolutely meaningless
He pitched against 3 shitty offences.
his win came against a triple-A calibre team
Although he pitches in the lightest hitting division in baseball, his team also plays half their games at Coors Field (aka Yankee Stadium West) an extreme hitters park.
I sincerely doubt he’ll still be with the big club at the end of the season. If he is, I’ll be surprised if his ERA is under 5 and consider it very likely it will be approaching 6.[/quote]
None of those factors take away from his accomplishment imo. He probably will have a near five era if he pitches the whole season because he has always been a guy that will give up 8 runs in three innings one start and then go seven strong with 2 earned runs the next.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
SO Moyer is the oldest pitcher in baseball history to win a game. I know a lot of people claim steriods when older athletes still perform at a high level but I think he’s doing it clean. And because steriods in baseball is such a big topic I think the example he is setting is awesome. (regardless of what people think, if they should be legal in sports or not)
Still throwing fire at 49? Incredible. Thoughts?
First of all, he’s not throwing fire. He didn’t crack 80mph with any of his pitches last night. “Throwing fire” is like 94-95mph or higher.
Secondly, steroids in baseball hasn’t been a big issue for several years now. That shit peaked about 5 years ago, and other than the random journeyman testing positive and Braun’s whole debacle, we haven’t heard shit about steroids in baseball since the new drug-testing program was implemented.
Thirdly, while I think this is a great story and all that, the fact is that he probably made the team for the novelty aspect more than anything else. There’s probably only a couple of teams that he’d have any chance at cracking the rotation, and the Rockies are one of them. I hope he pitches like shit since he’s in the Giants’ division, but it’s still a good story. But let’s temper the superlatives a little bit until he proves this isn’t some novelty act that we’ll all forget about six weeks, 7 losses and a 6.50 ERA later.[/quote]
Super gay.
Great story, but let’s see how he’s pitching in August if he makes it that far…
At his age I Think it’s a great feat. But indeed, he’ll have to find a way to make it a good season…he’s just so up there in age…which is why I mentioned roids…no doubt it’s in the back of people’s minds.
[quote]FrozenNinja wrote:
At his age I Think it’s a great feat. But indeed, he’ll have to find a way to make it a good season…he’s just so up there in age…which is why I mentioned roids…no doubt it’s in the back of people’s minds.[/quote]
Dude, Jamie Moyer and roids don’t belong in the same sentence, article, book, whatever. It is not in the back of anyones mind (except yours I guess.) Like DB alluded to, there is a big difference between a 40 year old hitting 40+ hrs or throwing 95 (such as Bonds and Clemens) and Jamie Moyer throwing 80 mph.