[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
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Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a “foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication” of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affairs, Starbuck…
Call it payback after Seven Samurai - The Magnificent Seven; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars … Last Man Standing…
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
[/quote]
Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a "foreign remake " of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affaire, Starbuck…
Call it payback after The Magnificent Seven -Seven Samurai; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars - Last Man Standing…
[/quote]
Not a bad angle you propose.
And American studios are notorious for “borrowing” ingenious works from foreign film makers.
An interesting thing takes place some times. The remake takes on its own creative life and becomes a unique expression. Seven Samurai is a great movie. And The Magnificent Seven may have started off as just a way for the studios to cash in. Yet along the way, this particular remake earned its own honors, IMO.
So the question remains, does the Japanese remake of The Unforgiven step out from the original’s shadows and impress? Based on the few clips I’ve watched and the reviews I’ve read, I’m not certain it succeeds. True, watching a few clips and reading others’ opinions can be misleading. But this ain’t my first barbeque and I have a pretty good instinct for what I’ll like and admire.
If the opportunity is there, I may look into it. My instinct tells me that it’s simply a variation which replaces the myth of the gunslinger with that of the samurai.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
[/quote]
Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a "foreign remake " of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affaire, Starbuck…
Call it payback after The Magnificent Seven -Seven Samurai; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars - Last Man Standing…
[/quote]
Not a bad angle you propose.
And American studios are notorious for “borrowing” ingenious works from foreign film makers.
An interesting thing takes place some times. The remake takes on its own creative life and becomes a unique expression. Seven Samurai is a great movie. And The Magnificent Seven may have started off as just a way for the studios to cash in. Yet along the way, this particular remake earned its own honors, IMO.
So the question remains, does the Japanese remake of The Unforgiven step out from the original’s shadows and impress? Based on the few clips I’ve watched and the reviews I’ve read, I’m not certain it succeeds. True, watching a few clips and reading others’ opinions can be misleading. But this ain’t my first barbeque and I have a pretty good instinct for what I’ll like and admire.
If the opportunity is there, I may look into it. My instinct tells me that it’s simply a variation which replaces the myth of the gunslinger with that of the samurai. [/quote]
Thanks, Big Kahuna.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[/quote]
Thanks, Houstonguy.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[/quote]
Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
[/quote]
Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a "foreign remake " of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affaire, Starbuck…
Call it payback after The Magnificent Seven -Seven Samurai; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars - Last Man Standing…
[/quote]
Not a bad angle you propose.
And American studios are notorious for “borrowing” ingenious works from foreign film makers.
An interesting thing takes place some times. The remake takes on its own creative life and becomes a unique expression. Seven Samurai is a great movie. And The Magnificent Seven may have started off as just a way for the studios to cash in. Yet along the way, this particular remake earned its own honors, IMO.
So the question remains, does the Japanese remake of The Unforgiven step out from the original’s shadows and impress? Based on the few clips I’ve watched and the reviews I’ve read, I’m not certain it succeeds. True, watching a few clips and reading others’ opinions can be misleading. But this ain’t my first barbeque and I have a pretty good instinct for what I’ll like and admire.
If the opportunity is there, I may look into it. My instinct tells me that it’s simply a variation which replaces the myth of the gunslinger with that of the samurai. [/quote]
Thanks, Big Kahuna.
[/quote]
Wrong again.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[/quote]
Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
[/quote]
InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[/quote]
Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
[/quote]
InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
[/quote]
I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
[/quote]
Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a "foreign remake " of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affaire, Starbuck…
Call it payback after The Magnificent Seven -Seven Samurai; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars - Last Man Standing…
[/quote]
Not a bad angle you propose.
And American studios are notorious for “borrowing” ingenious works from foreign film makers.
An interesting thing takes place some times. The remake takes on its own creative life and becomes a unique expression. Seven Samurai is a great movie. And The Magnificent Seven may have started off as just a way for the studios to cash in. Yet along the way, this particular remake earned its own honors, IMO.
So the question remains, does the Japanese remake of The Unforgiven step out from the original’s shadows and impress? Based on the few clips I’ve watched and the reviews I’ve read, I’m not certain it succeeds. True, watching a few clips and reading others’ opinions can be misleading. But this ain’t my first barbeque and I have a pretty good instinct for what I’ll like and admire.
If the opportunity is there, I may look into it. My instinct tells me that it’s simply a variation which replaces the myth of the gunslinger with that of the samurai. [/quote]
Thanks, Big Kahuna.
[/quote]
Wrong again.
[/quote]
Nope. Try tweaking your vocabulary and writing style.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Pantherhare wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
Some critics have drawn parallels to Clint Eastwood’s The Unforgiven. Both films deal with similar themes: heroes and absolutes are a mirage and god help anyone naive enough to believe otherwise.
IMO, The Proposition ranks a notch higher.
Gene Hackman’s sheriff in The Unforgiven is little more than a caricature. Winstone’s captain is three dimensional. He’s not against violence and cruelty but has a thresh hold.
Although Eastwood and Morgan Freeman portray hired killers in The Unforgiven, it’s obvious the viewer is led to sympathize with them. Morality isn’t as neat and tidy in The Proposition. The main characters elicit, in turns, admiration and disgust. The lone decent person, portrayed by Emily Watson, is a symbol for what humanity can and should be. If anyone thinks this interpretation is far fetched, I encourage them to watch the movie first.
[/quote]
Gonna have to take issue with your characterization of Unforgiven. Hackman’s character, Little Bill, was not a caricature. He was an ostensibly decent guy who just wanted to build his own house but was a shitty carpenter. He believed in law and order but could take it too far. And he was a real tough guy, not a made up one like English Bob. If he were a caricature, he would have been the corrupt sheriff who was irredeemably evil. But instead he was a guy trying to keep order in his town who had an unfortunate temper. Easily a protagonist in another movie (a cop who plays by his own rules – see Russell Crowe in LA Confidential) but Unforgiven instead makes him a powerful antagonist.
And yes, you’re supposed to sympathize with Clint and Freeman’s characters. Generally audience members like pulling for the protagonist. But they were far from pure. Freeman’s character fucks whores even though he’s married, Munny has killed women and children. And they’re killing men for money, men who didn’t actually kill anyone (one of whom is pretty remorseful about the way his friend acted).
Can you tell that I think Unforgiven is a great movie?
Proposition was a decent movie, the director has problems with pacing and sticking to his narrative.
[/quote]
STFU and watch the Japanese remake of Unforgiven starring Ken Watanabe:
[/quote]
And if it’s just a remake with little or no substance, I won’t be tripping over myself to see this for the same reason I’m in no rush - none whatsoever - to see the American remake of Old Boy.
How does the Japanese version of The Unforgiven improve upon the original? It’s not enough to mention some foreign remake in an attempt at sophistication.
[/quote]
It’s a Japanese take on a quintessentially American genre : not a "foreign remake " of Oldboy, 47 Ronin, Infernal Affaire, Starbuck…
Call it payback after The Magnificent Seven -Seven Samurai; Yojimbo- A Fistful of Dollars - Last Man Standing…
[/quote]
Not a bad angle you propose.
And American studios are notorious for “borrowing” ingenious works from foreign film makers.
An interesting thing takes place some times. The remake takes on its own creative life and becomes a unique expression. Seven Samurai is a great movie. And The Magnificent Seven may have started off as just a way for the studios to cash in. Yet along the way, this particular remake earned its own honors, IMO.
So the question remains, does the Japanese remake of The Unforgiven step out from the original’s shadows and impress? Based on the few clips I’ve watched and the reviews I’ve read, I’m not certain it succeeds. True, watching a few clips and reading others’ opinions can be misleading. But this ain’t my first barbeque and I have a pretty good instinct for what I’ll like and admire.
If the opportunity is there, I may look into it. My instinct tells me that it’s simply a variation which replaces the myth of the gunslinger with that of the samurai. [/quote]
Thanks, Big Kahuna.
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Wrong again.
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Nope. Try tweaking your vocabulary and writing style. [/quote]
Yes. If you actually think I’m Big Kahuna, you’ve just been relegated to troll and not a very clever one.
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
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Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
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Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
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I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
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Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
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Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
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I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.[/quote]
What the hell for? A week or so back when someone ELSE asked me if I was Big Kahuna, I was genuinely curious at the comparison.
You, on the other hand, are just grasping at straws.
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
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Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
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Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
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I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.[/quote]
What the hell for? A week or so back when someone ELSE asked me if I was Big Kahuna, I was genuinely curious at the comparison.
You, on the other hand, are just grasping at straws.
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Grasping at straws? Right… that last post was from your own words (shit was underlined) and you’re arguing with it.
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
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Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
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Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
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I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.[/quote]
What the hell for? A week or so back when someone ELSE asked me if I was Big Kahuna, I was genuinely curious at the comparison.
You, on the other hand, are just grasping at straws.
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Grasping at straws? Right… that last post was from your own words (shit was underlined) and you’re arguing with it. [/quote]
Yeah, I know you took my post and tried to point it back at me, the implication was easy to read.
You accuse me of being these past posters, which I’m not, and here you are again trying to twist this into a ‘win’ for you.
LMFAO
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
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Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
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Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
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Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
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I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.[/quote]
What the hell for? A week or so back when someone ELSE asked me if I was Big Kahuna, I was genuinely curious at the comparison.
You, on the other hand, are just grasping at straws.
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Grasping at straws? Right… that last post was from your own words (shit was underlined) and you’re arguing with it. [/quote]
Yeah, I know you took my post and tried to point it back at me, the implication was easy to read.
You accuse me of being these past posters, which I’m not, and here you are again trying to twist this into a ‘win’ for you.
LMFAO [/quote]
I’m not looking for a win. Time and truth will out.
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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I liked Big Kahuna[/quote]
Based on his profile, he might be in the military by now. Some of his posts on cinema are insightful and it would be nice to have him chime in. [/quote]
He’s too busy being military. [/quote]
IF he did end up joining as he stated. Unless you’re privy to that info, maybe he just decided to move on from T-Nation forum discussions. [/quote]
Doubt it.
[/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. Plenty of folks who no longer post here.
Unless…you’re saying he’s back under another account. And I doubt that. [/quote]
How long have you been here again?
[/quote]
Look to your left and it shows the date I registered. And I already told you in another thread I’ve been lurking around before that.
And it’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.
[/quote]
Thanks, Houstonguy.[/quote]
LMFAO
Nice try but I’m not this Houstonguy you mention.
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InB4 " I don’t know Houstonguy but he seems like a nice guy".
[/quote]
I don’t know him. And I haven’t read any of this posts to make that judgment.
So wrong again. [/quote]
Go back 6 months to a year on these forums. It’s not difficult to look up old threads or threads bumped up from the dead to see user IDs that no longer post.[/quote]
What the hell for? A week or so back when someone ELSE asked me if I was Big Kahuna, I was genuinely curious at the comparison.
You, on the other hand, are just grasping at straws.
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Grasping at straws? Right… that last post was from your own words (shit was underlined) and you’re arguing with it. [/quote]
Yeah, I know you took my post and tried to point it back at me, the implication was easy to read.
You accuse me of being these past posters, which I’m not, and here you are again trying to twist this into a ‘win’ for you.
LMFAO [/quote]
I’m not looking for a win. Time and truth will out.
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LOL
I like talking movies. Doesn’t make me Big Kahuna or Houston guy or any other past posters people can think up.