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[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Bob Dylan just sucks.

Period[/quote]

skip to 45second in

and read along, quality isn’t great

Pistols shots ring out in the barroom night
Enter Patty Valentine from the upper hall
She sees the bartender in a pool of blood
Cries out “My God they killed them all”
Here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

Three bodies lying there does Patty see
And another man named Bello moving around mysteriously
“I didn’t do it” he says and he throws up his hands
“I was only robbing the register I hope you understand
I saw them leaving” he says and he stops
“One of us had better call up the cops”
And so Patty calls the cops
And they arrive on the scene with their red lights flashing
In the hot New Jersey night.

Meanwhile far away in another part of town
Rubin Carter and a couple of friends are driving around
Number one contender for the middleweight crown
Had no idea what kinda shit was about to go down
When a cop pulled him over to the side of the road
Just like the time before and the time before that
In Patterson that’s just the way things go
If you’re black you might as well not shown up on the street
'Less you wanna draw the heat.

Alfred Bello had a partner and he had a rap for the corps
Him and Arthur Dexter Bradley were just out prowling around
He said “I saw two men running out they looked like middleweights
They jumped into a white car with out-of-state plates”
And Miss Patty Valentine just nodded her head
Cop said “Wait a minute boys this one’s not dead”
So they took him to the infirmary
And though this man could hardly see
They told him that he could identify the guilty men.

Four in the morning and they haul Rubin in
Take him to the hospital and they bring him upstairs
The wounded man looks up through his one dying eye
Says “Wha’d you bring him in here for ? He ain’t the guy !”
Yes here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

Four months later the ghettos are in flame
Rubin’s in South America fighting for his name
While Arthur Dexter Bradley’s still in the robbery game
And the cops are putting the screws to him looking for somebody to blame
“Remember that murder that happened in a bar ?”
“Remember you said you saw the getaway car?”
“You think you’d like to play ball with the law ?”
“Think it might-a been that fighter you saw running that night ?”
“Don’t forget that you are white”.

Arthur Dexter Bradley said “I’m really not sure”
Cops said “A boy like you could use a break
We got you for the motel job and we’re talking to your friend Bello
Now you don’t wanta have to go back to jail be a nice fellow
You’ll be doing society a favor
That sonofabitch is brave and getting braver
We want to put his ass in stir
We want to pin this triple murder on him
He ain’t no Gentleman Jim”.

Rubin could take a man out with just one punch
But he never did like to talk about it all that much
It’s my work he’d say and I do it for pay
And when it’s over I’d just as soon go on my way
Up to some paradise
Where the trout streams flow and the air is nice
And ride a horse along a trail
But then they took him to the jailhouse
Where they try to turn a man into a mouse.

All of Rubin’s cards were marked in advance
The trial was a pig-circus he never had a chance
The judge made Rubin’s witnesses drunkards from the slums
To the white folks who watched he was a revolutionary bum
And to the black folks he was just a crazy nigger
No one doubted that he pulled the trigger
And though they could not produce the gun
The DA said he was the one who did the deed
And the all-white jury agreed.

Rubin Carter was falsely tried
The crime was murder ‘one’ guess who testified
Bello and Bradley and they both baldly lied
And the newspapers they all went along for the ride
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool’s hand ?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn’t help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game.

Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties
Are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise
While Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten-foot cell
An innocent man in a living hell
That’s the story of the Hurricane
But it won’t be over till they clear his name
And give him back the time he’s done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

one of the greatest songs ever written.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

  1. The backpack rap scene. [/quote]

You cut me deep LD, the back pack rap scene is where the real lyrics are. Mos Def, Common, Talib Kweli, Q - Tip. All came from the back pack rap scene. Dialated Peoples, Guru, & The Roots are from that scene as well. So be easy. Also the dude in your Avatar came directly from that scene and wore a backpack for like his first two albums.

[/quote]

You’re right about Kanye, but to be fair he did have a lot to him that was different from the rest of that scene. If not he wouldn’t be as polarizing as he is now–just look at the responses in the Kanye thread I started. A few of the guys who hated on him are the same guys who love backpack rap.

The backpack scene is definitely the best for lyrical rap, but there a lot of bland rappers to sift through before you get to the good ones. The best example would be a guy like Talib. I’m not the only one who says this, but for a guy that can craft good lyrics he REALLY cannot stay with the beat.

Just my opinion.

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By one of the greatest song writers ever. Hes on like 50 years of decent music, of which the first 25 years was pretty much unparalleled. I actually happen to like his new stuff but I can see where a lot of people find it too raw.

Why not instead of saying “so and so sucks” say “I dont care much for…”

Then you could also add “…Then again I’m not that well versed in that era/genre/style of music.”

and if you say hes not a good singer you haven’t listened to much of his stuff. Yes he has a gravelly voice. Sometimes he does a ‘talking blues’ style a la woody guthrie. But across his entire career hes been incredibly versatile and the phrasing of his lyrics is amazing and unique.

When most people listen to the recording of “lay lady lay” they dont recognize his voice.

YOU try hitting the notes on “All I really want to do”. Record it celtics style and lets hear it…

bob dylan.

Unfortunately his live versions seem to be played with more of a loose live feel while his records are finely crafted. If you find a live version you also need to listen to a recorded version of that song.

The entire concept of this thread is like calling out mid level pro bodybuilders. They may not be arnold, jay, or ronnie but they still blow you and most others out of the water.

haters.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

By one of the greatest song writers ever. Hes on like 50 years of decent music, of which the first 25 years was pretty much unparalleled. I actually happen to like his new stuff but I can see where a lot of people find it too raw.

Why not instead of saying “so and so sucks” say “I dont care much for…”

Then you could also add “…Then again I’m not that well versed in that era/genre/style of music.”[/quote]

true, when i say something like “Neil Young is one of my favorite artists” most people hear Neil Young and think Neil Diamond and the laughter begins. They are just not well versed in that style of music. I feel that is the same for Bob Dylan. Most people don’t know that Bob Dylan wrote “All along the watchtower” which Hendrix made famous. They don’t know that Dylan wrote “stairway to Heaven” which led zep made famous…I could go on.

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  1. Watchtower yes.
  2. Stairway no.
    You may be thinking of another song. Hes written plenty.
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Pretty much all pop/rock from the 80s people sometimes try to defend as good.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

  1. Watchtower yes.
  2. Stairway no.
    You may be thinking of another song. Hes written plenty.[/quote]

i stand corrected, thank you.

with that said, i am getting a bob dylan lyric tattoo on my left shoulder whenever i have the money.

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I’m still waiting on a retort for ID or LD on the lyrics. They literally spark deep philosophical debate. They are as deep as they come, my only friend.

69

[quote]JaX Un wrote:

[quote]Soulja874 wrote:
Bob Dylan just sucks.

Period[/quote]

skip to 45second in

and read along, quality isn’t great

Pistols shots ring out in the barroom night
Enter Patty Valentine from the upper hall
She sees the bartender in a pool of blood
Cries out “My God they killed them all”
Here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

Three bodies lying there does Patty see
And another man named Bello moving around mysteriously
“I didn’t do it” he says and he throws up his hands
“I was only robbing the register I hope you understand
I saw them leaving” he says and he stops
“One of us had better call up the cops”
And so Patty calls the cops
And they arrive on the scene with their red lights flashing
In the hot New Jersey night.

Meanwhile far away in another part of town
Rubin Carter and a couple of friends are driving around
Number one contender for the middleweight crown
Had no idea what kinda shit was about to go down
When a cop pulled him over to the side of the road
Just like the time before and the time before that
In Patterson that’s just the way things go
If you’re black you might as well not shown up on the street
'Less you wanna draw the heat.

Alfred Bello had a partner and he had a rap for the corps
Him and Arthur Dexter Bradley were just out prowling around
He said “I saw two men running out they looked like middleweights
They jumped into a white car with out-of-state plates”
And Miss Patty Valentine just nodded her head
Cop said “Wait a minute boys this one’s not dead”
So they took him to the infirmary
And though this man could hardly see
They told him that he could identify the guilty men.

Four in the morning and they haul Rubin in
Take him to the hospital and they bring him upstairs
The wounded man looks up through his one dying eye
Says “Wha’d you bring him in here for ? He ain’t the guy !”
Yes here comes the story of the Hurricane
The man the authorities came to blame
For something that he never done
Put in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

Four months later the ghettos are in flame
Rubin’s in South America fighting for his name
While Arthur Dexter Bradley’s still in the robbery game
And the cops are putting the screws to him looking for somebody to blame
“Remember that murder that happened in a bar ?”
“Remember you said you saw the getaway car?”
“You think you’d like to play ball with the law ?”
“Think it might-a been that fighter you saw running that night ?”
“Don’t forget that you are white”.

Arthur Dexter Bradley said “I’m really not sure”
Cops said “A boy like you could use a break
We got you for the motel job and we’re talking to your friend Bello
Now you don’t wanta have to go back to jail be a nice fellow
You’ll be doing society a favor
That sonofabitch is brave and getting braver
We want to put his ass in stir
We want to pin this triple murder on him
He ain’t no Gentleman Jim”.

Rubin could take a man out with just one punch
But he never did like to talk about it all that much
It’s my work he’d say and I do it for pay
And when it’s over I’d just as soon go on my way
Up to some paradise
Where the trout streams flow and the air is nice
And ride a horse along a trail
But then they took him to the jailhouse
Where they try to turn a man into a mouse.

All of Rubin’s cards were marked in advance
The trial was a pig-circus he never had a chance
The judge made Rubin’s witnesses drunkards from the slums
To the white folks who watched he was a revolutionary bum
And to the black folks he was just a crazy nigger
No one doubted that he pulled the trigger
And though they could not produce the gun
The DA said he was the one who did the deed
And the all-white jury agreed.

Rubin Carter was falsely tried
The crime was murder ‘one’ guess who testified
Bello and Bradley and they both baldly lied
And the newspapers they all went along for the ride
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool’s hand ?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn’t help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game.

Now all the criminals in their coats and their ties
Are free to drink martinis and watch the sun rise
While Rubin sits like Buddha in a ten-foot cell
An innocent man in a living hell
That’s the story of the Hurricane
But it won’t be over till they clear his name
And give him back the time he’s done
Put him in a prison cell but one time he could-a been
The champion of the world.

one of the greatest songs ever written.
[/quote]

This post goes with my point regarding live vs recorded. The recorded ones have much less of those strange bob dylan endings to his lines.

You’ll notice the written lyrics dont match what he sings exactly. Constantly tweaking and experimenting with the lyrics and over-all very conscious that the live experience is and should be very different from listening to a record. I think he does that to throw you off and make you listen. After all Hurricane was a protest song, your not supposed to just bop your head and tap your feet.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’m still waiting on a retort for ID or LD on the lyrics. They literally spark deep philosophical debate. They are as deep as they come, my only friend.

[/quote]

c’mon bro

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[quote]JaX Un wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

By one of the greatest song writers ever. Hes on like 50 years of decent music, of which the first 25 years was pretty much unparalleled. I actually happen to like his new stuff but I can see where a lot of people find it too raw.

Why not instead of saying “so and so sucks” say “I dont care much for…”

Then you could also add “…Then again I’m not that well versed in that era/genre/style of music.”[/quote]

true, when i say something like “Neil Young is one of my favorite artists” most people hear Neil Young and think Neil Diamond and the laughter begins. They are just not well versed in that style of music. I feel that is the same for Bob Dylan. Most people don’t know that Bob Dylan wrote “All along the watchtower” which Hendrix made famous. They don’t know that Dylan wrote “stairway to Heaven” which led zep made famous…I could go on. [/quote]

who the fuck cares if he wrote it…hendrix made it work and thus famous.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Allow me to be the first to say it: Rush.[/quote]

See, I start to think “hey, there is more to this DBCooper guy than ‘slit your fucking throats’, some of his posts are actually kind of funny”…then you go posting delusional nonsense like this!

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Oh and Elvis should be at the top of everyones list. If you’re going to call Queen, The Beatles and the Stones; three of the greatest rock bands of all-time, overrated, then you’re definitely going to have to add Elvis to your list.

And fuck Lynrd Skynyrd too.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]barbarianlifter wrote:

Bruce Springstein[/quote]

SHUT YOUR MOUTH![/quote]

Yes because only Americans listen to his stuff. And the E-Street band are a bunch of homeless people playing instruments.

75

-U2. Thanks for that Ireland, really.

-Weezer: Blue album good, Pinkerton good, rest bad.

-Radiohead: Forlorn, barely-comprehensible Englishmen prattling on about God-knows-what

76

Nickleback anyone?

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

  1. The backpack rap scene. [/quote]

You cut me deep LD, the back pack rap scene is where the real lyrics are. Mos Def, Common, Talib Kweli, Q - Tip. All came from the back pack rap scene. Dialated Peoples, Guru, & The Roots are from that scene as well. So be easy. Also the dude in your Avatar came directly from that scene and wore a backpack for like his first two albums.

[/quote]

You’re right about Kanye, but to be fair he did have a lot to him that was different from the rest of that scene. If not he wouldn’t be as polarizing as he is now–just look at the responses in the Kanye thread I started. A few of the guys who hated on him are the same guys who love backpack rap.

The backpack scene is definitely the best for lyrical rap, but there a lot of bland rappers to sift through before you get to the good ones. The best example would be a guy like Talib. I’m not the only one who says this, but for a guy that can craft good lyrics he REALLY cannot stay with the beat.

Just my opinion.[/quote]

Admittedly Talib can sometimes be a little too caught up in his lyrics to stay on beat. But the same can be said about Jay Z, Common, and Kanye. TRUE beat riders like Eminem and Nelly & Busta Rhymes are a really a rare breed. What I thank backpackers suffer from is lack of good producers. If they got the support and backing some of these mainstream dudes got we would have way more Lupe Fiascos on our hands. Which is a good thing.

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[quote]LarryDavid wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’m still waiting on a retort for ID or LD on the lyrics. They literally spark deep philosophical debate. They are as deep as they come, my only friend.

[/quote]

c’mon bro[/quote]

No you c’mon. Those lyrics are as deep as they get. Dissing doors lyrics is fightin words.

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Tupac had some crap songs but he was awesome.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]JaX Un wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:

By one of the greatest song writers ever. Hes on like 50 years of decent music, of which the first 25 years was pretty much unparalleled. I actually happen to like his new stuff but I can see where a lot of people find it too raw.

Why not instead of saying “so and so sucks” say “I dont care much for…”

Then you could also add “…Then again I’m not that well versed in that era/genre/style of music.”[/quote]

true, when i say something like “Neil Young is one of my favorite artists” most people hear Neil Young and think Neil Diamond and the laughter begins. They are just not well versed in that style of music. I feel that is the same for Bob Dylan. Most people don’t know that Bob Dylan wrote “All along the watchtower” which Hendrix made famous. They don’t know that Dylan wrote “stairway to Heaven” which led zep made famous…I could go on. [/quote]

who the fuck cares if he wrote it…hendrix made it work and thus famous.
[/quote]

Does that diminish Bob Dylan as an artist to you? Cause it really shouldn’t. Who is to say without Hendrix the song wouldn’t have go down in rock history either way?