[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re right that a real Champion can free himself of that (for example, Fedor was calm as a clock).
But even Tyson -in his prime, one of the greatest heavies ever imho- was sometimes anxious and fearful like a child before big fights. [/quote]
Thats the point. The winner wont be in the ring with intimidation first and foremost on his mind (ie he cant be standing in his corner or on the field thinking “shit, Im going to get eaten alive”) or he’ll start to bail when it heats up. And Im sure in all sports you see when the athlete was overcome by intimidation, when his first priority is to avoid the punishment rather than play his game. And getting to the point where one risks the punishment to score points begins in the mind of the athlete, no matter how intimidating the opponent is.
If Coleman is facing Fedor before the bell and all he is thinking is “Im fucked!” because he’s intimidated then he’s probably right. So at fight time the intimidation factor ought to have been channeled into something more useful, like a healthy respect which hopefully enables you to risk the punishment to score your points.
For example, CaliforniaLaw all throughout this web site consistantly shoots his mouth off from behind the sanctity of his laptop. This is a sure sign of someone who has conquered the intimidation in his life.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
To say that an athlete shouldn’t be scared tells me that you’ve probably never been in a serious fight.
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Actually, I tended to get real calm before or starting into a fight. in fact, I actually started to smile a little. Its not through conscious effort, its just what I did.
So maybe this is anecdotal towards my point, as I never thought about how intimidating the other guy was once we got going.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
To give you an example: You might have seen the last fight between Fedor and Coleman. From their nonverbal communication you could clearly see how scared Coleman was of the Russian Cyborg. The prank he pulled after the fight (hitting Fedor playfully as a friendly gesture and to kinda kid around that he finally was able to “beat” him) was even more revealing.
Mark Coleman simply wanted to humanize his feared opponent. You’re right that a real Champion can free himself of that (for example, Fedor was calm as a clock).
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I wouldnt be too quick to read minds. Coleman is quite seasoned and has made a spectacular career out of facing the toughest head on.
[quote]Scotacus wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
To give you an example: You might have seen the last fight between Fedor and Coleman. From their nonverbal communication you could clearly see how scared Coleman was of the Russian Cyborg. The prank he pulled after the fight (hitting Fedor playfully as a friendly gesture and to kinda kid around that he finally was able to “beat” him) was even more revealing.
Mark Coleman simply wanted to humanize his feared opponent. You’re right that a real Champion can free himself of that (for example, Fedor was calm as a clock).
I wouldnt be too quick to read minds. Coleman is quite seasoned and has made a spectacular career out of facing the toughest head on.[/quote]
OK, we get it. No one could possibly intimidate you because you are just that much of a force to be reckoned with. All athletes should take notes from your successful example and they would all be better for it and get better endorsements for shoes and Nike sports apparel.
When is your line of shirts coming out, by the way? You can get “No Fear” printed on the back if that’s not already copy written. I know I’m afraid of you just by how you type. You sound pretty bad ass.
I didn’t read all 10 pages, but whether or not you consider golf a sport depends on whether or not you consider physical condition an important factor in one’s ability to be successful at a sport.
I think most claims about golf not being a sport were based on the fact that out of shape people can excel in it. So if you’re claiming golf is not a sport you should probably base your argument on why a sport must be an activity whose elite success requires top physical condition.
Hence either you accept golf, curling, car racing, billiards, sailing (keelboats), and the like as a sport or you accept none of them. I don’t see how you could pick and choose.
And with that out of the way. Did anyone consider Lance Armstrong as one of the greatest athletes of our time? Definitely not intimidating, but since the subject came up…
Look at it from this perspective. There’s this thing called the Gracie Challenge. There are plenty of boxers with tremendous knockout power. Yet, no boxer has accepted and won the Gracie Challenge, despite the fact that they would come out of it $100,000 richer if they did.
Through this line of reasoning I assert that pure boxing, no matter how good, DOES not beat pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
Look at it from this perspective. There’s this thing called the Gracie Challenge. There are plenty of boxers with tremendous knockout power. Yet, no boxer has accepted and won the Gracie Challenge, despite the fact that they would come out of it $100,000 richer if they did.
Through this line of reasoning I assert that pure boxing, no matter how good, DOES not beat pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu. [/quote]
So because someone who can make millions of dollars per fight does not risk injuring himself for a top prize of 100K it therefore follows that he could not win?
[quote]michaell wrote:
Holy. Flame war going on in here much?
I didn’t read all 10 pages, but whether or not you consider golf a sport depends on whether or not you consider physical condition an important factor in one’s ability to be successful at a sport.
I think most claims about golf not being a sport were based on the fact that out of shape people can excel in it. So if you’re claiming golf is not a sport you should probably base your argument on why a sport must be an activity whose elite success requires top physical condition.
Hence either you accept golf, curling, car racing, billiards, sailing (keelboats), and the like as a sport or you accept none of them. I don’t see how you could pick and choose.
And with that out of the way. Did anyone consider Lance Armstrong as one of the greatest athletes of our time? Definitely not intimidating, but since the subject came up…[/quote]
I don’t see how there is any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
Look at it from this perspective. There’s this thing called the Gracie Challenge. There are plenty of boxers with tremendous knockout power. Yet, no boxer has accepted and won the Gracie Challenge, despite the fact that they would come out of it $100,000 richer if they did.
Through this line of reasoning I assert that pure boxing, no matter how good, DOES not beat pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu. [/quote]
$100,000 is chump change to most high level professional boxers. Why would they put their careers in any type of danger for pocket change? Dumb, just dumb.
I don’t see how there is any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.[/quote]
Block wrote: “Golf is not a sport its an activity, like arts and crafts or playstation.”
And then the flame war begun.
Did you read the thread? When I read it all I saw was a big flame war over whether or not golf is or is not a sport. But then again, I only read the first few pages.
And I somewhat agree that people can’t change the definition of a word on a whim. However words carry slightly different meanings to different people and cultures, and their definition changes over time as well.
Someone should look up “sport” in a (current) dictionary and end it.
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
Look at it from this perspective. There’s this thing called the Gracie Challenge. There are plenty of boxers with tremendous knockout power. Yet, no boxer has accepted and won the Gracie Challenge, despite the fact that they would come out of it $100,000 richer if they did.
Through this line of reasoning I assert that pure boxing, no matter how good, DOES not beat pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu. [/quote]
You have proven yourself one the biggest dumbasses on this board. Congrats. That is quite an accomplishment. Just wait until you see the trophy.
I don’t see how there is any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
Block wrote: “Golf is not a sport its an activity, like arts and crafts or playstation.”
And then the flame war begun.
Did you read the thread? When I read it all I saw was a big flame war over whether or not golf is or is not a sport. But then again, I only read the first few pages.
And I somewhat agree that people can’t change the definition of a word on a whim. However words carry slightly different meanings to different people and cultures, and their definition changes over time as well.
Someone should look up “sport” in a (current) dictionary and end it.[/quote]
I wasn’t saying you were arguing the definition; I only used your quote. And yes I have read the thread. Also, we don’t need a dictionary, this has been argued before, and others have already been proven wrong. Golf is a sport. Poker is a sport. Hell, Monopoly is a sport.
On the other hand, just because someone participates in a sport, that does not automatically make him an athlete.
I don’t see how there is any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.[/quote]
Upon rereading your post, maybe I misunderstood it.
Which of the following did you mean?
(A)
I don’t see how there is any argument at all [in this thread] about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
or
(B)
I don’t see how there [can be] any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
My previous post asserts against (A) but makes no claims for or against (B). I thought you meant (A). Sorry if you meant (B).
I don’t see how there is any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
Upon rereading your post, maybe I misunderstood it.
Which of the following did you mean?
(A)
I don’t see how there is any argument at all [in this thread] about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
or
(B)
I don’t see how there [can be] any argument at all about whether golf or any of the activities you listed are sports. People can’t just change the definition of a word to fit their personal preference.
My previous post asserts against (A) but makes no claims for or against (B). I thought you meant (A). Sorry if you meant (B).[/quote]
[quote]HardcoreHorn wrote:
Look at it from this perspective. There’s this thing called the Gracie Challenge. There are plenty of boxers with tremendous knockout power. Yet, no boxer has accepted and won the Gracie Challenge, despite the fact that they would come out of it $100,000 richer if they did.
Through this line of reasoning I assert that pure boxing, no matter how good, DOES not beat pure Gracie Jiu Jitsu. [/quote]
6’5", 275lbs. Runs the 100 m in 10.8, and is just an all around beast.
an example of him totally dominating the opposing team (and there are lots of others)
The interesting thing about Lomu is how quickly the rest of the game adapted so that he wasn’t intimidating. He burst on the scene in 1995 and blew everyone away, but by 1999 teams were able to deal with him pretty well. Still a legend but I wonder if he only came into being today would he have the impact. I doubt it.
[quote]oaxaca joe wrote:
I still think Brad Pitt in Fight Club would kick Mike Tyson’s ass anyday. Or Tiger or any other athlete mentioned in this thread. And he would do it in the most intimidating way possible.[/quote]
Yeah, Brad Pitt was JACKED in Fight Club. 15o lbs of pure Intimidation.
