[quote]bond james bond wrote:
Married men trying to get blowjays on a regular basis like BEFORE they got married lol.
Seriously though you should check out the author Harry Turtledove, he’s written a few books on alternate history, i thought they were pretty entertaining, worth a look imo.
“Turtledove has been dubbed “The Master of Alternate History”.[6][7] Within that genre he is known both for creating original alternate history scenarios such as survival of the Byzantine Empire or an alien invasion in the middle of the Second World War and for giving a fresh and original treatment to themes previously dealt with by many others, such as the victory of the South in the American Civil War and of Nazi Germany in the Second World War. His novels have been credited with bringing alternate history into the mainstream.[8] His style of alternate history has a strong military theme with scenes of combat happening throughout many of his works”.[9]
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Alternative History is about as useful as pulp to wipe your ass.[/quote]
It’s just mindless escapism dude, ya know, what if, make you think, it’s fiction, relax. Quick question off topic Brother Chris, have you ever seen the movie The Black Robe? Not sure if you find religous/drama movies useless as well, simple yes or no/hi-jack.
[quote]Natasel wrote:
Not sure if this counts as “Battle” but when our ancestors, the Homo Sapiens, encountered the Neanderthals, the Neanderthals died.
There’s little evidence, but what evidence there is suggests that the Neanderthals died violently by the hand of ancient man.
The implications of this is a free for all for any who care to figure it out.[/quote]
Uhh… there’s no evidence of a species-wide war. We just outcompeted them because the world got warmer and they were shite at adapting. There’s sufficient genetic similarity between us (I think it’s 1-4%, but only in humans whose descendants co-existed with Neandertals) to suggest that we fucked a lot too.
Well, I think if we’re going to look at every battle as having a domino-effect type of impact, then the first battle known to have occurred either within or between civilizations would be the most important. If that first battle, whatever it may have been, went differently than the way it did, one could argue that the entire shape of human civilization would be different.
I think the only way to look at these battles is to ask what battle had the largest direct impact on the way we live today? What country effects the world more than any other today and what single battle was the greatest contributing factor to what makes that country what it is now?
I would argue that the United States has the largest impact on the world as a whole of any country today. So really, any significant battle that tipped the scales in favor of the American revolutionaries or any battle that greatly affected the outcome of the Civil War would take the cake.
My vote goes to Gettysburg if we’re talking strictly about battles fought on an actual battlefield. But like I said earlier, I think the greatest battle of the Civil War was the diplomatic battle fought between the North and the South to keep England and France out of the Civil War. Without Sec. of State Seward’s victory in that political battle, there is no Gettysburg and the South wins the war decisively.
[quote]Vinnie85 wrote:
1 vote for thermopylae… persians take over… “… one nation under allah…” ?[/quote]
Islam is only 1400 years old, the Persians were Zorostrians.
Furthermore, they did contribute to elements of acknowledging human rights, check out the Cyrus Cylinder…
Traditionally, the Persians’ policy towards their subject peoples, as described by the Cylinder, was viewed as an expression of tolerance, moderation and generosity “on a scale previously unknown.”
Tours is a good suggestion, I’m reading about it now.
I’m also thinking that as Push said, the non-battle of Vienna between the Mongols and the West… I’ve read only briefly about it but it does seem like had the Mongols continued, European civilization would have been set back at least a century.
When the Marovingian* kings (preprocessors of Charlemagne) defeated the Moors in Southern France approx. 740 A.D. preventing the further incursion of Islam into Western Europe. Had the battle not been won, western civilization could have easily been Islamic based rather than Catholic based. With out this victory there would have been no Holy Roman Empire, no Charlemagne, no France, no Germany, No England, the former Roman states would have all been eradicated, as would have the Byzantine empire (800 years before the Ottomans took Constantinople). There would have been no Crusades (and all the fun that happened after that period). Finally the Mongols might have been stopped from conquering as much of the world as they did,(Islamic armies are who finally defeated the hordes). I could keep going, I am a huge (history and warfare) geek.
TL/DR= Charlemagne’s grandpa kicking the Moors out of Southern France created “Modern Western Civilization”.
It sealed Caesars grasp on Gallic Europe defeating Vercingetorix and Roman influence rained supreme from there on in.
Bye bye handlebar moustaches, metal hair, axes and all things manly, hello togas, shaved arses and generally acting all ghey!
The man points Caesar earned from winning this decisive battle were immense.
He went on to become dictator of Rome, screwed Cleopatra, reformed the calendar of the time. He set the length of the year to 365.25 days by adding an intercalary/leap day at the end of February every fourth year. To bring the calendar into alignment with the seasons, he decreed that three extra months be inserted into 46 BC (the ordinary intercalary month at the end of February, and two extra months after November). Thus, the Julian Calendar opened on January 1, 45 BC. This calendar is almost identical to the current Western calendar.
“I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him.”
Battle of the Granicus, fought in May 334 BC, by Alexander the Great.
Alexander’s narrow win decided the structure of Western (eventually Roman) and near Eastern (from Eqypt to India) civilization, the echos and divisions of which are with us today.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
Married men trying to get blowjays on a regular basis like BEFORE they got married lol.
Seriously though you should check out the author Harry Turtledove, he’s written a few books on alternate history, i thought they were pretty entertaining, worth a look imo.
“Turtledove has been dubbed “The Master of Alternate History”.[6][7] Within that genre he is known both for creating original alternate history scenarios such as survival of the Byzantine Empire or an alien invasion in the middle of the Second World War and for giving a fresh and original treatment to themes previously dealt with by many others, such as the victory of the South in the American Civil War and of Nazi Germany in the Second World War. His novels have been credited with bringing alternate history into the mainstream.[8] His style of alternate history has a strong military theme with scenes of combat happening throughout many of his works”.[9]
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Alternative History is about as useful as pulp to wipe your ass.[/quote]
It’s just mindless escapism dude, ya know, what if, make you think, it’s fiction, relax. Quick question off topic Brother Chris, have you ever seen the movie The Black Robe? Not sure if you find religous/drama movies useless as well, simple yes or no/hi-jack.
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You mean the movie Black Robe? Yes, I have. It was a good movie, recommend it to people that are in a zealous state and decide to condemn movies because there are no “good Catholic movies.”
It sealed Caesars grasp on Gallic Europe defeating Vercingetorix and Roman influence rained supreme from there on in.
Bye bye handlebar moustaches, metal hair, axes and all things manly, hello togas, shaved arses and generally acting all ghey!
The man points Caesar earned from winning this decisive battle were immense.
He went on to become dictator of Rome, screwed Cleopatra, reformed the calendar of the time. He set the length of the year to 365.25 days by adding an intercalary/leap day at the end of February every fourth year. To bring the calendar into alignment with the seasons, he decreed that three extra months be inserted into 46 BC (the ordinary intercalary month at the end of February, and two extra months after November). Thus, the Julian Calendar opened on January 1, 45 BC. This calendar is almost identical to the current Western calendar.
Thats some legacy right there!
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Still a flawed leap year calender, Gregorian is better.
[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
“I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him.”
