I’ve been taking Grow! every morning with 2 cups of raw oats. I absolutely love the taste, it kicks ass! I’m just wondering if this is ideal for the first meal of the day. Because Grow! has very slow digesting casein in it, wouldn’t that make the whey isolate in it digest slow as well?
I know that you need to get protein back in to your system after “fasting” all night. So is Grow! ideal for the morning considering the casein?
Yes. It’s good for you anytime.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
Yes. It’s good for you anytime.[/quote]
I know that it is good anytime. I’m just wondering if it would be BETTER to take a faster protein in the morning.
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
Yes. It’s good for you anytime.
I know that it is good anytime. I’m just wondering if it would be BETTER to take a faster protein in the morning.[/quote]
Give it a try for a few weeks and see what happens. I would bet money that you will see minimal if any difference
[quote]tuffloud wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
Yes. It’s good for you anytime.
I know that it is good anytime. I’m just wondering if it would be BETTER to take a faster protein in the morning.[/quote]
From what I’ve read…it is better to take whey when you get up and casein before bed…
All right I am going to try and help out here. Took me a minute to think of a good analogy but I may have found one that helps to make sense of this.
OK first very simple, YES Grow! Is good for first thing in the morning.
2 yes you could go for something faster with carbs also if your main goal is mass and lots of it. This will halt any catabolic effect. Then while that is doing its job get your Grow! meal ready to eat.
OK. as far as the slow release etc… Grow! is a blend of proteins right, both slow and well not so slow.
Will the Casien slow the Isolate, Maybe a little, but even some of the casien is going to be used RIGHT when you eat it. The reason it is slow is do to the fact it curdles in your stomach. The casein creates Lagre curds, like cottage cheese. Where as the whey’s are smaller. So they have more surface area to be digested at once, hence they are faster used.
Think of dropping a dough ball in water. It will slowly dissolve from the outside in. Or a lolly pop, how many licks does it take??? This is what Casein does, a slow steady release. It is not like it just holds off then all the sudden BAM it gets digested 4 hours later.
It s a slow constant process. This is great and allows for a steady state stream of aminos to be released into your blood stream which is great all morning and all day for that matter. With the exception being pre, during and right after your w/o.
Hope that helps out,
Phill
[quote]Phill wrote:
All right I am going to try and help out here. Took me a minute to think of a good analogy but I may have found one that helps to make sense of this.
OK first very simple, YES Grow! Is good for first thing in the morning.
2 yes you could go for something faster with carbs also if your main goal is mass and lots of it. This will halt any catabolic effect. Then while that is doing its job get your Grow! meal ready to eat.
OK. as far as the slow release etc… Grow! is a blend of proteins right, both slow and well not so slow.
Will the Casien slow the Isolate, Maybe a little, but even some of the casien is going to be used RIGHT when you eat it. The reason it is slow is do to the fact it curdles in your stomach. The casein creates Lagre curds, like cottage cheese. Where as the whey’s are smaller. So they have more surface area to be digested at once, hence they are faster used.
Think of dropping a dough ball in water. It will slowly dissolve from the outside in. Or a lolly pop, how many licks does it take??? This is what Casein does, a slow steady release. It is not like it just holds off then all the sudden BAM it gets digested 4 hours later.
It s a slow constant process. This is great and allows for a steady state stream of aminos to be released into your blood stream which is great all morning and all day for that matter. With the exception being pre, during and right after your w/o.
Hope that helps out,
Phill
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Thanks for actually answering my questions. That was very informative.
Phill, that was VERY informative, thanks :).
But Grow! is like 80/20 casein/whey if I remember correct. That means if you take 50 grams after waking up, in the first hour you will only have digested something like 15-20 grams, compared to (guessing) 30-40grams with whey. On paper, it sounds better even if you’re dieting. How much difference, and what happens if you add slow digesting carbs like oatmeals in the deal is another question.
No problem.
While I am as big a Biotest whore as many here. Love My Grow! sonmetimes it is nice to actually give the reasoning behind the superior supps thatn just say " Get Grow!"
LOL,
Well yes you would get a bigger dose with just whey or better yet do as Dave Barr has suggested and have a serving of Surge upon waking and get Hydro whey, carbs and extra BCAA’s. It depends on your goals.
Also do we really need a wopping 30 grams that fast. Will it actually be used or is it better used and not stored by slowly being relesed.
Hmm, boils down to goals and the individual I reckon.
Ltr,
Phill
Great posts, Phil. I would like to add that to me, this whole thing - albeit interesting - seems to be more of an academic debate than a pressing real life issue. I’d rather focus on the main features outlined by JB an others on this site than wasting too much energy on minor details. Just my 0.02$
While morning Grow! is fine, I have to ask; would you use it after your workout?
[quote]David Barr wrote:
While morning Grow! is fine, I have to ask; would you use it after your workout?[/quote]
Hell! I’ll use Grow! anytime! There is no bad time to take it.
However, post-workout, I prefer the replenishment that only Surge offers. That great frothy taste just hits the spot after an intense session with the weights.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
While morning Grow! is fine, I have to ask; would you use it after your workout?[/quote]
Don’t know if this is aimed at my post, but I definitely should clarify that my comments only apply to adding Grow! or whatever protein powder to one’s morning oats, as in the original question. PWO nutrition definitely is a different issue.
It goes without saying that the goal of these threads should be to optimize all the relevant aspects of traning, nutrition and recovery, but - as I have experienced myself - it sometimes happens that one doesn’t see the wood for the trees…
[quote]michael2507 wrote:
David Barr wrote:
While morning Grow! is fine, I have to ask; would you use it after your workout?
Don’t know if this is aimed at my post, but I definitely should clarify that my comments only apply to adding Grow! or whatever protein powder to one’s morning oats, as in the original question. PWO nutrition definitely is a different issue.
It goes without saying that the goal of these threads should be to optimize all the relevant aspects of traning, nutrition and recovery, but - as I have experienced myself - it sometimes happens that one doesn’t see the wood for the trees…[/quote]
I think what David Barr meant was that post workout nutrition is very important as is morning nutrition. At both times, your muscles need protein and carbs quick to stop the protein breakdown. Morning and post workout are somewhat similar times for our muscles. Did I get that right David? Hope I clarified.