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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The kid is intimating that we are Nazis. Steve calls him out and you call him an asshole. WTF?

Go back to singing a little Deutchland Uber Alles, or maybe Horst Wessel. Americans, the greatest liberators in the history of this sorry planet, Nazis…shame on you.
[/quote]

Where exactly did he intimate that you are nazis?

[quote]Balle wrote:
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What do the American news say about them?
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I find it difficult to maintain a psychologically neutral position towards America with the kind of shit that is obviusly going on.

I’m just trying to figure out what it’s like for Americans to basically be American. There are so many great things in and about America but then there are others that disgust me.
…
I’m really sorry for the soldiers that die and particularly for the wounded coz they are the ones that really suffer but how is there so much abuse going on?

I don’t mean to offend anybody I’m just looking for answers nobody seems to be able to give me here so I’m turning to you.
[/quote]

He was polite and tried to honestly expressed his feelings. He even apologized in advance if his post was gonna offend some folks and YET you spill your crap!

Whereas you wrote:

[quote]Hatehunter wrote
People in Europe are basically taught to hate America from day one
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You know, you and your hostile attitude towards strangers would be an excellent breeding ground for Nazi paradigma.
You are a shame to an otherwise open-minded forum.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
mazilla wrote:
nobody in those pics looked to bad to me. ohh nooo they got a bag on thier head, or they are naked and handcuffed, big deal. thats not torture. having your head cut off with a fukin steak knife is torture. bamboo under the finger nails is torture.

these guys have just benn hazed if anything. what passes for torture is hilarious. see what other countries do then call this torture. care to give it a whirl? check out www.ogrish.com but be careful, if you think naked dudes with a bag on their heads is bad, prepare to vomit. pussies.

Absolutely great post Mazilla. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Didn’t get this part huh?:

There are at least six bodies so far.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Balle wrote:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,401899,00.html

I don’t know whether you have seen these pictures or want to see them at all but I’ve heard they are not being published in the USA.

Have you seen them?

What do the American news say about them?

Although it’s obvious that these are exceptions (I have some faith in the human kind) it hits me hard whenever I see that. I find it difficult to maintain a psychologically neutral position towards America with the kind of shit that is obviusly going on.

I’m just trying to figure out what it’s like for Americans to basically be American. There are so many great things in and about America but then there are others that disgust me.

I’ve got people in my school whose parents are in the British Army and they themselves don’t seem to support the war effort. How does that work?

I’m really sorry for the soldiers that die and particularly for the wounded coz they are the ones that really suffer but how is there so much abuse going on?

I don’t mean to offend anybody I’m just looking for answers nobody seems to be able to give me here so I’m turning to you.

Btw, I’m German and I find it awkward to have the historical backround attached to the country and somehow my identity. I’ve just had an history exam today and that made me think about the “business” of history and politics even more.

Out of fairness, each picture should have a picture from 9/11 next to it. Or, perhaps pictures from Saddam’s victims – mothers crying while Saddam’s minions torture her children with power drills. Out of fairness, mind you.

I don’t want those guys at Gitmo tortured anymore than you do. They should each be humanely shot in the head.

Then, the Iranians, who unleashed these vermin on the planet, should be bombed into the Stone Age. Make Iran a prarie and let the buffalo roam…

You really are an idiot aren’t you? Because lunatics attacked our country and killed thousands of innocents, we can justify torturing and murdering our enemies? And did it ever occur to you that some of the people in Guantanamo are innocents, who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

There are plenty of men there who would love to fly a plane into a skyscraper, but there are also tons who were not “caught on the battlefield”, contrary to what Rumsfeld said. Try actually READING for a change, a couple of Afghans who were tortured and then murdered at Bagram were completely innocent.

Gotta call BS on this one dude! Did these vermin EVER consider innocents in all that they do? They do not think like I do (I was going to say ‘like you and I do’ but you know…), they simply consider anyone western or American evil. They think of us as I think of cockroaches, to be wiped out. They’ll walk onto crowded busses with little children on board and smile as they kill them all.

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Sweet, moral relativism! I thought we conservatives (actually, you’re a Bush apologist, not a conservative) were opposed to that? How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard, an American standard, and not judge ourselves by the actions of our enemies?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
makkun wrote:
Law,

thelaw12186 wrote:
hey makkun,

I understand completely what you said. I apologize for that thread earlier, peoples opinions just get to me sometimes. I really didnt read my thread before I sent it so I understand if there are contradictions and if the thing can be ripped to shreds with critiques. Didn’t mean to rip on anyone or affend any other country. (Germany)

When the testosterone gets flowing, things tend to get out of hand!

Respectfully,
Law

There is no offense where none is taken. Thanks for that, cool move!
:slight_smile:

Makkun

Law,

Don’t apologize; you were dead on. People in Europe are basically taught to hate America from day one – something neurotic like ‘You freed me, so I hate you’. England would’ve caved to Hitler if they had known the USA wouldn’t cover their asses. Chamberlain sent most of his forces into a trap and the USA had to bail 'em out.

[/quote]

Uh, Britain held out ALONE for a year against the Nazis, Lend Lease or not. Aren’t you a teacher? It warms my heart to know American kids can still get their daily dose of xenophobia in school in the 21st century.

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gdollars,

I respect your right to discuss your opinion. However, it would be nice if you started a thread the next time there were atrocities committed against the United States.

I want you to know that I am sincerely glad that your vote is cancelled out. I shudder to think of fighting a war with you and like-minded individuals at the helm.

balle, the United States is in the middle of a war. War brings out the worst in everyone. Compared to your forefathers, we are Pollyanna.

I think you can see by the posters that we do not take kindly to our contractors being burned and dragged through the streets. We are sick and tired of countries like germany who arm hussein to the teeth and then do not help clean up the mess. You do know that your country was the number one historical arms supplier to the tyrant? Don’t you?

The worst part of all, is the perception that you guys are sitting on the sidelines shaking your fingers at us in “disgust.”

As much as makkun would like to forget about your recent history, I want you to look around and realize that there are still veterans ALIVE who participated on both sides. Therefore, we have a hard time taking your “disgust” seriously.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
You do know that your country was the number one historical arms supplier to the tyrant? Don’t you?
JeffR[/quote]

Do you honestly believe such nonsense?
I call BS on that.
Nr.1 arms supplier for Iraq was… America…so sorry

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
…Didn’t get this part huh?:

There are at least six bodies so far. [/quote]

Only six?

Doesn’t sound like much. What did they die from?

Any pre-existing conditions?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
JeffR wrote:
You do know that your country was the number one historical arms supplier to the tyrant? Don’t you?
JeffR

Do you honestly believe such nonsense?
I call BS on that.
Nr.1 arms supplier for Iraq was… America…so sorry
[/quote]

You are incredibly wrong.

Depending on the point in time the # 1 supplier was either Russia, Germany or France.

The US has NEVER been a major arms supplier to Saddam.

For the brief period in time the US actually tried to work with this asshole our major contribution was satellite intelligence.

The only reason we worked with him is that he was fighting Iran at the time and we were working under the theory that the enemy of our enemy is our friend.

We quickly realized the error of our ways and opposed his military plans at every turn.

Russia, Germany and France were happy to violate UN sanctions against him and continue to supply him weaponry right up until America, Britain and others deposed this tyrant.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
makkun wrote:
Law,

thelaw12186 wrote:
hey makkun,

I understand completely what you said. I apologize for that thread earlier, peoples opinions just get to me sometimes. I really didnt read my thread before I sent it so I understand if there are contradictions and if the thing can be ripped to shreds with critiques. Didn’t mean to rip on anyone or affend any other country. (Germany)

When the testosterone gets flowing, things tend to get out of hand!

Respectfully,
Law

There is no offense where none is taken. Thanks for that, cool move!
:slight_smile:

Makkun

Law,

Don’t apologize; you were dead on. People in Europe are basically taught to hate America from day one – something neurotic like ‘You freed me, so I hate you’. England would’ve caved to Hitler if they had known the USA wouldn’t cover their asses. Chamberlain sent most of his forces into a trap and the USA had to bail 'em out.

Uh, Britain held out ALONE for a year against the Nazis, Lend Lease or not. Aren’t you a teacher? It warms my heart to know American kids can still get their daily dose of xenophobia in school in the 21st century.[/quote]

“…until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, comes to the rescue and the liberation of the Old.”

--- Winston Churchill
    House of Commons
    June 4th, 1940

That’s from memory.

LMAO at you. Go ahead, hide in your European capitals, spit at the USA, while we protect you.

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Ok schwarzy,

Let me get started on the ties to Iraq. This was reported in 2003 by the Heritage Foundation.

“Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]
It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany?s ?firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.? It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11]
During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12]
In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13]
Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980?s.[14]
German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein?s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction.”

JeffR

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:

Sweet, moral relativism! I thought we conservatives (actually, you’re a Bush apologist, not a conservative) were opposed to that? How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard, an American standard, and not judge ourselves by the actions of our enemies?[/quote]

This is WAR! Hello!?! How do you win a war? “Well, let’s give 'em a little hug and ask them to not hurt us.”

Next time you are in a fight to the death, you abide by the Marquis of Queesbury rules – see what happens to you.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
makkun wrote:
Law,

thelaw12186 wrote:
hey makkun,

I understand completely what you said. I apologize for that thread earlier, peoples opinions just get to me sometimes. I really didnt read my thread before I sent it so I understand if there are contradictions and if the thing can be ripped to shreds with critiques. Didn’t mean to rip on anyone or affend any other country. (Germany)

When the testosterone gets flowing, things tend to get out of hand!

Respectfully,
Law

There is no offense where none is taken. Thanks for that, cool move!
:slight_smile:

Makkun

Law,

Don’t apologize; you were dead on. People in Europe are basically taught to hate America from day one – something neurotic like ‘You freed me, so I hate you’. England would’ve caved to Hitler if they had known the USA wouldn’t cover their asses. Chamberlain sent most of his forces into a trap and the USA had to bail 'em out.

Uh, Britain held out ALONE for a year against the Nazis, Lend Lease or not. Aren’t you a teacher? It warms my heart to know American kids can still get their daily dose of xenophobia in school in the 21st century.

“…until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, comes to the rescue and the liberation of the Old.”

--- Winston Churchill
    House of Commons
    June 4th, 1940

That’s from memory.

LMAO at you. Go ahead, hide in your European capitals, spit at the USA, while we protect you.

[/quote]

Um, I’m from New Hampshire. And there was no way Churchill could know the U.S. was coming to his rescue. Hopeful rhetoric in a time of national peril doesn’t equal reality. There’s a reason he said he slept “the sleep of angels” the night after hearing of Pearl Harbor.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:

Sweet, moral relativism! I thought we conservatives (actually, you’re a Bush apologist, not a conservative) were opposed to that? How about we hold ourselves to a higher standard, an American standard, and not judge ourselves by the actions of our enemies?

This is WAR! Hello!?! How do you win a war? “Well, let’s give 'em a little hug and ask them to not hurt us.”

Next time you are in a fight to the death, you abide by the Marquis of Queesbury rules – see what happens to you.[/quote]

Way to dodge the question. And if this really is a fight to the death, shouldn’t we maybe think about increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps so that we have a military that can fight a war without being so overstetched it can’t win (look at how we’e getting foreign troops into Afghanistan as fast as we can, because we don’t have enough men for both Iraq and Afghanistan). Funny though, Bush and Rumsfeld have been against increasing the size of the Army and Marines from day one. Some commitment to this “generational struggle.”

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I hate war more than anyone. I also know that the least painful way to fight a war is to win it overwhelmingly and convincingly.

Bush supporter? Well, I’m starting to turn against him, esp with this stuff about the ports. Also, I’d like him to be more aggressive with the Middle East. In their culture, being nice and gentle means weakness and simply invites more aggression.

Sure, that stuff at Gitmo is terrible. But you should realize that displaying that stuff simply lets nutcases around the world trumpet about how ‘evil’ we are, the ‘Great Satan’. We are trying to win a war, aren’t we? Are we? I sure hope so.

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England knows exactly what is going on and - aside from PR- doesnt give a shit… Most of the English are smart enough to understand the difference between a policy and an incident.

What would you call the policy of said prisoners towards their own prisoners of war? Would it be called torture, execution, or would we have to make up a word that recognized the most twisted and ill intended combination of both?

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:

Way to dodge the question. And if this really is a fight to the death, shouldn’t we maybe think about increasing the size of the Army and Marine Corps so that we have a military that can fight a war without being so overstetched it can’t win (look at how we’e getting foreign troops into Afghanistan as fast as we can, because we don’t have enough men for both Iraq and Afghanistan). Funny though, Bush and Rumsfeld have been against increasing the size of the Army and Marines from day one. Some commitment to this “generational struggle.”[/quote]

hello, the reason we are pulling our troops from Iraq, and replacing them with allied troops, is to regroup for another campaign, if needed. hopefully not, some of you may already know my opinion on the possible Iran situation. but his is getting way off topic. lets bring it back people. this is about these lame ass pics. once again this is not torture.if you want to see some torture check this out. DO NOT LOOK IF YOU ARE SENSATIVE TO EXTREME ACTS OF VIOLENCE, PLEASE. PLEASE.PLEASE.i am sorry for putting these videos up. i am sure allot of you have seen them already. maybe the ones who have not are the ones saying these pics are torture. i want them to understand what real torture is. it’s not shit on your head, or being ridiculed for picture’s. if it was that bad don’t you think the soldiers would have at least cover their faces or hid their identity? again look if you dare, but be warned it may fuck with you a little.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I hate war more than anyone. I also know that the least painful way to fight a war is to win it overwhelmingly and convincingly.
[/quote]

Absolutely. But do you think we’re actually trying to win this war “overwhelmingly and convincingly”? Is that why defense spending as a percentage of GDP is still very small, and the military is the same size it was before September 11? Some commitment by Bush and co. But then, there are drugs to give away to try to win votes from wealthy seniors, and bridges to empty Alaskan islands to build.

Wow. Some rich UAE Arabs buy a few ports and THAT turns you against Bush, not criminal mismanagement of Iraq, cronyism, and the biggest government spending increases since LBJ? Wow.

[quote]
Sure, that stuff at Gitmo is terrible. But you should realize that displaying that stuff simply lets nutcases around the world trumpet about how ‘evil’ we are, the ‘Great Satan’. We are trying to win a war, aren’t we? Are we? I sure hope so.[/quote]

So we should just lie and hide the truth huh? Isn’t that what this administration has been doing for the last few years?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Great…the country that gave us Nazis is now publishing so-called atrocities about us?

You got to be kidding me!

Hi Steve,

So, a foreign kid has some questions and asks them in a polite manner in the appropriate forum. And what do you answer him?
It’s always sad to see how those pretending to be caring christians are the worst assholes.
The boy is by no means a nazi, you ignorant. But he certainly could develop a real nice picture of America, thanks to comments like yours.
[/quote]

Well, from the nasty PM he sent to me it doesn’t seem that he was so “polite” as he seems to be in public.

This has nothing to do with Christianity. The problem is that the “kid” is posting flagrant propaganda from a German paper about OUR “atrocities.” Look up your history buddy to see how much my country has helped the world (including most of Europe)recover from the devastaing wars that, unfortunately, your country was the centerpiece. I can understand that you may not like the facts of history, but it is what it is.

Therefore, I said what I said and I stand by it. It is definately not your country’s perogative to declare atrocities toward anyone else.

Sorry if this offends you, but the facts are the facts…

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[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Great…the country that gave us Nazis is now publishing so-called atrocities about us?

You got to be kidding me!

Hi Steve,

So, a foreign kid has some questions and asks them in a polite manner in the appropriate forum. And what do you answer him?
It’s always sad to see how those pretending to be caring christians are the worst assholes.
The boy is by no means a nazi, you ignorant. But he certainly could develop a real nice picture of America, thanks to comments like yours.

Well, from the nasty PM he sent to me it doesn’t seem that he was so “polite” as he seems to be in public.

This has nothing to do with Christianity. The problem is that the “kid” is posting flagrant propaganda from a German paper about OUR “atrocities.” Look up your history buddy to see how much my country has helped the world (including most of Europe)recover from the devastaing wars that, unfortunately, your country was the centerpiece. I can understand that you may not like the facts of history, but it is what it is.

Therefore, I said what I said and I stand by it. It is definately not your country’s perogative to declare atrocities toward anyone else.

Sorry if this offends you, but the facts are the facts…[/quote]

So only American propaganda is allowed in this country? I figured you didn’t like understanding other viewpoints, but now you are just being hypocritical. Why wouldn’t you want to know what others think of us? Its kind of important on the world stage.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Great…the country that gave us Nazis is now publishing so-called atrocities about us?

You got to be kidding me!

Hi Steve,

So, a foreign kid has some questions and asks them in a polite manner in the appropriate forum. And what do you answer him?
It’s always sad to see how those pretending to be caring christians are the worst assholes.
The boy is by no means a nazi, you ignorant. But he certainly could develop a real nice picture of America, thanks to comments like yours.

Well, from the nasty PM he sent to me it doesn’t seem that he was so “polite” as he seems to be in public.

This has nothing to do with Christianity. The problem is that the “kid” is posting flagrant propaganda from a German paper about OUR “atrocities.” Look up your history buddy to see how much my country has helped the world (including most of Europe)recover from the devastaing wars that, unfortunately, your country was the centerpiece. I can understand that you may not like the facts of history, but it is what it is.

Therefore, I said what I said and I stand by it. It is definately not your country’s perogative to declare atrocities toward anyone else.

Sorry if this offends you, but the facts are the facts…

So only American propaganda is allowed in this country? I figured you didn’t like understanding other viewpoints, but now you are just being hypocritical. Why wouldn’t you want to know what others think of us? Its kind of important on the world stage.[/quote]

Irish,

In the words of our Great President Ronald W. Reagan, “there you go again!”

It is unbelivable to me that you really do always blame America first.

“Propaganda” ??? If you mean that which the biased left-wing mainstream media, then possibly I would agree with you. But of course you mean the American government don’t you.

It is not that I don’t care to here what others are thinking, but a German paper with “our” atrocities? This is as laughable as Teddy Kennedy going on a tirade against Chenney about not calling the cops unitl 14 hours later, when Teddy left a young girl dead in a car under water for how long…?