[quote]Chushin wrote:
Glad you got that situation sorted out, Ruff.
From now on stay away from crazy hairdressers with cop brothers. ;-)[/quote]
Most epic thread on this board ever.
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
While we have a majority of this thread attempting to trash all LEO’s, I’ll take a moment to interrupt it.
Props to a local PD where I’m at who with the help of the CBI and FBI made an arrest today in the kidnapping and subsequent murder of a 10yr old girl this month. [/quote]
Yes, props to those who deserve praise. But when a sizable chunk of the population holds some derision against police, you have to wonder what the cause is, and subsequently marvel at how widespread this derision is.
Compare that to the fire department. Years ago in my local there was one firefighter who was convicted on 2 counts of arson, yet no one is walking around saying “fuck the fire department”.
See what I’m saying?
This reminds me of a Cops episode I watched many years ago. Exact same senario.
Elderly widower living alone hears something outside and calls police. While waiting for them to arrive she takes her husbands old pistol and investigates outside on her own.
When the police arrive one goes to the front door while the other goes around back. Bad idea. I can’t remember if she took a shot at him but she sure gave him a scare.
They had a good laugh and nobody was hurt but damn she was lucky she wasn’t plugged.
I wonder if they archive the old episodes of Cops. Be interested in peoples opinions on that one.
Also, after working around the elderly for a couple years I’ve learned to not underestimate them. Dementia is a bitch and turns sweet old lady’s(and men) into demons from hell. When they get of the meds look out.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
While we have a majority of this thread attempting to trash all LEO’s, I’ll take a moment to interrupt it.
Props to a local PD where I’m at who with the help of the CBI and FBI made an arrest today in the kidnapping and subsequent murder of a 10yr old girl this month. [/quote]
Yes, props to those who deserve praise. But when a sizable chunk of the population holds some derision against police, you have to wonder what the cause is, and subsequently marvel at how widespread this derision is.
Compare that to the fire department. Years ago in my local there was one firefighter who was convicted on 2 counts of arson, yet no one is walking around saying “fuck the fire department”.
See what I’m saying? [/quote]
I think it’s crucial to remember Fire Fighters stop fires and save lives (why would any be pissed about that) while police officers enforce the law. Who doesn’t get pissed when they get a speeding ticket, but it isn’t the cops fault you were speeding, yet you still are angry with them (in general, not specifically you).
My point is, and I’m not down playing this particular situation, people inherently dislike the police because they are the enforcers. They can take away your freedom and your money if you don’t follow the rules. People don’t like being told what to do even when they are breaking the law.
As far as this story goes, for every bad situation like this where a choice led to an unacceptable death, there is a situation where a routine traffic stop for a tail light being out ends with a cop being shot at point blank range. It’s the nature of the beast so to speak.
Oh, man. It just gets worse.
lol
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57540165/nypd-officer-arrested-in-kidnap-cannibalism-plot/
What a dirt bag pig.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Oh, man. It just gets worse.
lol
Well, if it’s true the guy’s obviously batshit crazy, but I don’t really see how that relates to his being a cop.
Crazy bastards come from all professions, walks of life etc. and don’t really reflect on other people in that profession.
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
ORLY?
How many engage in asset fortfeiture harvesting?
How many will get a “tip” from a groomed informant and break down your door?
How many police departments who have not seen a murder in the last decade have a battle rattle that makes them look like Stormtroopers?
Warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps, data downloading from your smartphone, whether you did something or not, a GPS profile of your movements, a copy of every bank transaction for the authoritay!!eleven!!!, RICO, Patriot act, whatever…
Who do you think does that shit?
Who implements it?
Distrusting men with guns who follow even the most asinine orders is not stupid.
Thats the grown up default position.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
ORLY?
How many engage in asset fortfeiture harvesting?
How many will get a “tip” from a groomed informant and break down your door?
How many police departments who have not seen a murder in the last decade have a battle rattle that makes them look like Stormtroopers?
Warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps, data downloading from your smartphone, whether you did something or not, a GPS profile of your movements, a copy of every bank transaction for the authoritay!!eleven!!!, RICO, Patriot act, whatever…
Who do you think does that shit?
Who implements it?
Distrusting men with guns who follow even the most asinine orders is not stupid.
Thats the grown up default position. [/quote]
I think you watch too many movies. I have never met a person whose door was broken down by the evil “MAN.” Everything you just typed is to the EXTREME.
Are there flaws in our system, yes.
Are there crocked cops, yes.
Should we work to better our system, yes.
Is homeland security looking at my bank statement, no.
Is the average cop out to shoot people for the thrill of it, no.
Believe it or not the average employees of these agencies are just regular folks like you and I not some “Judge Dredd” look a likes.
As smart as you are you are so damn extreme sometimes it’s insane and absurd.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
ORLY?
How many engage in asset fortfeiture harvesting?
How many will get a “tip” from a groomed informant and break down your door?
How many police departments who have not seen a murder in the last decade have a battle rattle that makes them look like Stormtroopers?
Warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps, data downloading from your smartphone, whether you did something or not, a GPS profile of your movements, a copy of every bank transaction for the authoritay!!eleven!!!, RICO, Patriot act, whatever…
Who do you think does that shit?
Who implements it?
Distrusting men with guns who follow even the most asinine orders is not stupid.
Thats the grown up default position. [/quote]
Sounds like you need some new tin foil for that hat…
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
The whole you’ve never been in a life or death situation is BS. Most people face the kind of provocation in the school playground that would make a police officer discharge his firearm or tazer… Remember, it doesn’t have to be a life and death situation, as numerous news reports show, they just have to ‘think’ they are in danger/being threatened.
The hatred for police thing - well the flipside is that you probably haven’t been in a situation where what the police/the law is acting contrary to your interests.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Glad you got that situation sorted out, Ruff.
From now on stay away from crazy hairdressers with cop brothers. ;-)[/quote]
Most epic thread on this board ever.[/quote]
Just making mistakes, so you don’t have to.
I’m just kind of amazed that I’m not the deceased in one of those 20/20 murder shows.
Would’ve been a good one.
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
This is my favorite of the relatively recent killings by the way. Where the deputy is let off because of his claims the father was acting irrationally. So he killed him because of the risk he posed to his daughters if he drove off with them…as opposed to the oh I don’t know unquantifiable harm seeing your father shot and killed a few feet from you would cause.
The best is how the news stories move from calling them the girls to his daughters and as more details about him come out…oh you know that he was a beloved marine and regularly worked out with his daughters and prayed with them before school came out…that the irrational actions he took became more murky and undefined and we end up with one dead dad and a huge wrongful death suit that the wife will likely win…along with a deputy that gets off scott free on a murder.[/quote]
Despicable.
[/quote]
That’s pretty fucked up. Why did they make no attempt to arrest the UNARMED man? Can you now shoot someone for driving dangerously with kids in the car?[/quote]
From the sound of it, the officer didn’t have control over the situation. Should have never let the guy get back into the car.
[/quote]
The article said that 3 or 4 other deputies arrived on scene a few minutes before the shooting occurred. I don’t see any possible way that this is a clean shoot. The guy never threatened the police or tried to hurt anyone, other than endangering his own kids with his driving.
I’m not saying the guy had the purest intentions (WTF was he doing with his young girls driving recklessly at 4am?), but he gave them no reason to shoot him.[/quote]
This doesn’t look like a clean shoot because the officer could have prevented him from getting back into his vehicle. The officer should have intervened sooner, so that the victim did not have the means to harm the young girls. Guy was probably a Vet who needed some help.
[/quote]
Was it you who mentioned something earlier about the higher ups sharing vids of police getting killed or similar?
How many of these feature Vets?[/quote]
Some not all. The worst one I have seen involved a Vietnam Vet. I’m not saying Vets are more likely than the average citizen to have a shoot out with police, but when they do, it’s spectacular. They have a significant psychological advantage. [/quote]
I understand you haven’t said that they are more likely.
But if you could please give me an estimate of a percent of these videos which feature them?
like 25%, 50, 75, more, less?
You are not under the spotlight here as far as my posts are concerned. Neither are Vets.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
This is my favorite of the relatively recent killings by the way. Where the deputy is let off because of his claims the father was acting irrationally. So he killed him because of the risk he posed to his daughters if he drove off with them…as opposed to the oh I don’t know unquantifiable harm seeing your father shot and killed a few feet from you would cause.
The best is how the news stories move from calling them the girls to his daughters and as more details about him come out…oh you know that he was a beloved marine and regularly worked out with his daughters and prayed with them before school came out…that the irrational actions he took became more murky and undefined and we end up with one dead dad and a huge wrongful death suit that the wife will likely win…along with a deputy that gets off scott free on a murder.[/quote]
Despicable.
[/quote]
That’s pretty fucked up. Why did they make no attempt to arrest the UNARMED man? Can you now shoot someone for driving dangerously with kids in the car?[/quote]
From the sound of it, the officer didn’t have control over the situation. Should have never let the guy get back into the car.
[/quote]
The article said that 3 or 4 other deputies arrived on scene a few minutes before the shooting occurred. I don’t see any possible way that this is a clean shoot. The guy never threatened the police or tried to hurt anyone, other than endangering his own kids with his driving.
I’m not saying the guy had the purest intentions (WTF was he doing with his young girls driving recklessly at 4am?), but he gave them no reason to shoot him.[/quote]
This doesn’t look like a clean shoot because the officer could have prevented him from getting back into his vehicle. The officer should have intervened sooner, so that the victim did not have the means to harm the young girls. Guy was probably a Vet who needed some help.
[/quote]
Was it you who mentioned something earlier about the higher ups sharing vids of police getting killed or similar?
How many of these feature Vets?[/quote]
Some not all. The worst one I have seen involved a Vietnam Vet. I’m not saying Vets are more likely than the average citizen to have a shoot out with police, but when they do, it’s spectacular. They have a significant psychological advantage. [/quote]
I understand you haven’t said that they are more likely.
But if you could please give me an estimate of a percent of these videos which feature them?
like 25%, 50, 75, more, less?
You are not under the spotlight here as far as my posts are concerned. Neither are Vets.[/quote]
Less than 25%, but they were the most memorable.
Delma had a gun, supposedly pointed it at the police. No glasses/no hearing aid. Sneaking around in the dark. I’m definitely taking the police’s side here. You dont wait until the perp shoots to shoot back. They must have given her some warning as well. Bad luck for her she couldnt hear or see them.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
ORLY?
How many engage in asset fortfeiture harvesting?
How many will get a “tip” from a groomed informant and break down your door?
How many police departments who have not seen a murder in the last decade have a battle rattle that makes them look like Stormtroopers?
Warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps, data downloading from your smartphone, whether you did something or not, a GPS profile of your movements, a copy of every bank transaction for the authoritay!!eleven!!!, RICO, Patriot act, whatever…
Who do you think does that shit?
Who implements it?
Distrusting men with guns who follow even the most asinine orders is not stupid.
Thats the grown up default position. [/quote]
I think you watch too many movies. I have never met a person whose door was broken down by the evil “MAN.” Everything you just typed is to the EXTREME.
Are there flaws in our system, yes.
Are there crocked cops, yes.
Should we work to better our system, yes.
Is homeland security looking at my bank statement, no.
Is the average cop out to shoot people for the thrill of it, no.
Believe it or not the average employees of these agencies are just regular folks like you and I not some “Judge Dredd” look a likes.
As smart as you are you are so damn extreme sometimes it’s insane and absurd. [/quote]
Darling, would you please look into RICO and how it was started and what it is now?
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
What a dirt bag pig.
You’re being sarcastic, no?[/quote]
Yup, I don’t understand the hatred for the police. They have a hard job and then a small % do stupid shit so now they’re all criminal, evil, etc…It’s easy to criticize and say that they shouldn’t have shot from the safety of your office/house on the internet. Half the people in here have probably never been in a life/death situation. You reaction is a lot different than it is when watching/reading a story from the safety of your chair.
It’s stupid imo. [/quote]
ORLY?
How many engage in asset fortfeiture harvesting?
How many will get a “tip” from a groomed informant and break down your door?
How many police departments who have not seen a murder in the last decade have a battle rattle that makes them look like Stormtroopers?
Warrantless searches, warrantless wiretaps, data downloading from your smartphone, whether you did something or not, a GPS profile of your movements, a copy of every bank transaction for the authoritay!!eleven!!!, RICO, Patriot act, whatever…
Who do you think does that shit?
Who implements it?
Distrusting men with guns who follow even the most asinine orders is not stupid.
Thats the grown up default position. [/quote]
Sounds like you need some new tin foil for that hat…[/quote]
Ah, if it was that easy…