More Abu Ghraib Troubles

Two stories the Elite Liberal Media hasn’t exactly been swarming all over:

Reporter alleges sodomy at Abu Ghraib

Baghdad, Iraq, Jul. 17 (UPI)
American journalist Seymour Hersh has said there are videotapes of American soldiers sodomizing young Iraqi boys at Abu Ghraib prison.

The investigative journalist, one of the first to break the story of prisoner abuses, said the Bush administration is holding the tapes of these acts, Aljazeera.net reported Saturday.

“The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling, and the worst part is the soundtrack, of the boys shrieking. And this is your government at war,” he said.

There was “a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher,” he said.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040717-082858-3675r.htm

(Hersh made the comments when he was addressing the ACLU. I have no doubts the story is legit, as Hersh is the one who helped break the original abuse story.)

In related news, General Janice Karpinski alleges that Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld knew about the Abu Ghraib abuse, and signed off on it.

Karpinski: Rumsfeld OK’d Methods at Abu Ghraib
Former prison chief contends that secretary of defense and U.S. commander in Iraq approved coercive interrogation techniques.

By Leon Worden
Signal City Editor
Friday, July 2, 2004

The former head of the U.S. prison system in Iraq told The Signal this week that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld personally authorized the same types of coercive interrogation methods for detainees at Abu Ghraib that he approved for use on prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

The Pentagon denied the assertion Thursday.

Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, head of detention operations during the period of Iraqi prisoner abuse, made the claim during an exclusive, two-hour “Newsmaker of the Week” interview that was conducted Tuesday. It will be shown Saturday at 5 p.m. on SCVTV Channel 20, with a written transcript in Sunday’s Signal.

Early last week the Pentagon released documents showing Rumsfeld approved the use of military dogs, stripping and sensory deprivation to cull intelligence information from detainees at Guantanamo Bay, where the White House had determined the Geneva conventions didn’t strictly apply.

Karpinski said there are memos showing Rumsfeld approved similar tactics for Abu Ghraib, where the Geneva conventions were supposed to apply.

Signal:Are there documents showing Donald Rumsfeld also approved particular interrogation techniques for Abu Ghraib?
Karpinski: I did not see it personally (at the time), but since all of this has come out, I have not only seen, but I’ve been asked about some of those documents, that he signed and agreed to.
Signal: About Abu Ghraib?
Karpinski: Yes. About using the same techniques that were successful in Guantanamo Bay, at Abu Ghraib.
Signal: Those documents have not been released yet?
Karpinski: No.

A Pentagon spokesman said Rumsfeld was never asked by the chain of command in Iraq to approve coercive interrogation techniques.

“The secretary of defense was not involved in the process in Iraq or the Central Command theater,” the spokesman said on the condition that his name not be used. “He wasn’t asked to approve anything.”

At some undetermined date in the future, the Pentagon “will try to release the same kind of documents” for Abu Ghraib that it released for Guantanamo Bay. “The documentation may support who requested what kind of techniques,” the spokesman said.

Requests to use interrogation methods that aren’t by the book would be initiated by the local commander and sent up through the chain of command, ultimately reaching Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, and Gen. John Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command in the Middle East.

Karpinski said Sanchez, who was replaced Thursday as the commander in Iraq, cut the orders last fall to implement the special “interrogation rules of engagement” that were used at Abu Ghraib. The special rules called for Sanchez’s personal approval whenever interrogators wanted to use dogs, strip prisoners, or deprive them of food or sleep.

Sanchez has consistently denied approving or even knowing about the special rules at the time.

Signal: What can you characterize about (documents authorizing special interrogation techniques)?

Karpinski: I know that (Military Intelligence commander) Col. (Thomas M.) Pappas, on three occasions, sent a request to Gen. Sanchez to escalate their interrogations, and that involved using - and he lists them. And in one case he said they wanted to use dogs, and they wanted to increase the length of time that they could be isolated, food deprivation, that kind of - sleep deprivation. And in at least two of those cases, there is a signature of approval from Gen. Sanchez.

Signal: And you’ve seen those documents?

Karpinski: Yes I have.

Asked to comment Thursday on Sanchez’s involvement, Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Pamela Hart said the Army is “waiting for the results of two investigations.”

Those investigations are an overall assessment by the Army Inspector General of detention operations at Abu Ghraib, and a formal Army inquiry into the military intelligence brigade that ran interrogations at the prison.

“We are waiting for the outcome of those two reports before making any assessment,” Hart said.

On Jan. 19, six days after photographs of prisoner abuse were brought to his attention, Sanchez asked Central Command to approve an investigation of Karpinski’s 800th Military Police Brigade. Central Command instructed Lt. Gen. David D. McKiernan to launch the investigation, and McKiernan appointed Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba as the lead investigator.

Karpinski, a one-star general, said she believes Sanchez, a three-star general, wanted to pin the ultimate responsibility for the prisoner abuse on her. She said she believes Sanchez instructed the two-star investigator, Taguba, to support his claim that the abuse stemmed from Karpinski’s loss of control over her MPs.

She said Taguba “went to see Gen. Sanchez, who said to him, words to the effect, ‘I want Karpinski to be blamed, and I want you to go out and do an investigation to support that. She’s a terrible leader because she allowed all these things to happen; now go out and do an investigation to support that conclusion.’ That’s what I believe.”

In his investigation report, Taguba wrote, “I totally concur with (Lt. Gen.) Sanchez’ opinion regarding the performance of (Brig. Gen.) Karpinski and the 800th MP Brigade.”

Taguba reported that Sanchez “found that the performance of the 800th MP Brigade had not met the standards set by the Army” and that the prisoner abuse was “the most recent example of a poor leadership climate that ‘permeates the brigade.’”

It had been less than a year since the Army recommended, and the Senate approved, Karpinski’s elevation to general.

“I know how to lead,” Karpinski said Tuesday.

Per Taguba’s recommendation, Karpinski was stripped of command of her 3,400-person brigade. She was replaced as the top jailer in Iraq by Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who previously headed detention operations at Guantanamo Bay.

Karpinski said she was placed on temporary suspension. She has not been charged with a crime. An Army reservist, she is a business consultant living in South Carolina.

Sanchez, who until recently was said to be up for a fourth star, is expected to be questioned in the military intelligence investigation.

Asked Wednesday by NBC’s Tom Brokaw whether he thinks he may be held responsible for the abuses shown in several widely published photographs, Sanchez said, “I’m very, very comfortable with the decisions that I made and the directives that were issued, and the judgment that I applied to the situations. And there was absolutely no command directive that would even give anybody the idea that that was acceptable in this command.”

As to the first:

Without seeing what Hersh actually has, it’s hard to comment on a bunch of allegations - except, of course, to say that it sounds very wrong.

Also, Lump, it’s hard to expect the “liberal elite media” to be all over a story before any facts have actually been released. While the journalists may lean liberal, they have no desire to be sued or made to look silly by publishing a lot of simple allegations before facts are made available.

Two things to note though: Hersh hasn’t claimed that U.S. soldiers committed the sodomy, and hasn’t claimed it was “little boys.” Hersh made the claims in a speech given to the ACLU. The story was mis-reported - expect to see a correction or at least corrected claims in future versions. Ed Cone mentions sending the correction to the UPI and Al Jazeera here: http://radio.weblogs.com/0107946/2004/07/18.html#a1933

Finally, Hersh may or may not be correct on the facts on the ground, but the merit of his allegations of how things go “straight to the top” is much more dubious.

As to the second:

I imagine it’s not getting all that much attention because it is a simple repetition of a simple theme: Person repsonsible says “I didn’t do it, and now I’m the scapegoat.” Allegations are made as to the independence/credulity of the investigator, but only by the accused (we’ve all learned a lot from the O.J. defense team!).

Once again, all allegation, no facts. We’ll see what happens when the army releases its report.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Two things to note though: Hersh hasn’t claimed that U.S. soldiers committed the sodomy, and hasn’t claimed it was “little boys.” Hersh made the claims in a speech given to the ACLU. The story was mis-reported - expect to see a correction or at least corrected claims in future versions.[/quote]

http://radio.weblogs.com/0107946/2004/

07/14.html#a1922

Well, he says “boys”. How little do they need to be, in order to make your heart sink. Also, whether it was done by private contractors or soldiers, it probably matters little to the Iraqis… they’re all American perps, no?

Also, I heard a tape of Hersh making his comments. The quotes in the story seem to be exactly what I remember hearing.

Hersh says he’s seen copies of the videotapes and he’s a reliable source, so I assume that it’s a reliable story.

Another thing Hersh mentioned… he said women who were abused inside Abu Ghraib were passing notes to their families on the outside saying things like “Please come and kill me” (saying this out of shame from what had happened to them). Obviously a huge disaster for the effort to win the hearts and minds.

Agreed. This is just a heads up on a story that has been buried in the back pages, if it’s been published at all.