More Abortion Talk

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

If the pregnancy is unwanted by both man and woman the choice is clear. If the pregnancy is unwanted by the woman and not the man, the man can’t force the woman to continue the pregnancy. If the pregnancy is unwanted by the man and not the woman, it happens that the man forces the woman to have an abortion, but still it’s up to the woman to decide what happens.

Not you. Not me. Not anyone but the woman in question.

Men are not the protectors of society, and are not hardwired to do so. Men will protect their family, but it’s presumptuous and arrogant of you to assume that you know what’s good for society. Protect your genes and loved ones, and leave it at that.
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Sure, sure. Men will and usually do protect their families. When I said protect, I mean in the case of preventing someone from being killed. I was thinking that if you saw a homeless man, and he was being beaten to death, you’d try to prevent it? [/quote]

So now a man is equal to a zygote?

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This is the argument we seem to inevitably devolve into, we spend pages upon pages discussing what it is to be human, and no realistic solutions are provided.

We can all agree that reducing abortion rates would be a good thing - now how do we do it? Is there a better way than education and access to contraception?

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
This is the argument we seem to inevitably devolve into, we spend pages upon pages discussing what it is to be human, and no realistic solutions are provided.

We can all agree that reducing abortion rates would be a good thing - now how do we do it? Is there a better way than education and access to contraception?[/quote]

X2

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

Mak, if you’re trying to engage a reasonable discussion about this topic with people like the guy in the video [and i do think men like that are on PWI] then this is an exercise in futility.

Illegalising abortion is not about saving “unborn babies”. It’s about controling a large portion of the population.

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Is this guy for real:0, because this is pure comedy.

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At the end of the day, there will and never can be an answer in this discussion between people who are pro-choice and those who are not. There are too many variabels, too many arguments on both sides. But when you, as an individual or a couple, are confronted with this question in your personal life, all these things don’t matter. All these arguments are wasted. It’s only about you, your values (and even that is open for debate)and the life that you are making an excruciating difficult decision about.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

Mak, if you’re trying to engage a reasonable discussion about this topic with people like the guy in the video [and i do think men like that are on PWI] then this is an exercise in futility.

Illegalising abortion is not about saving “unborn babies”. It’s about controling a large portion of the population.

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Every man’s fantasy WIFE :slight_smile:
Is this guy for real:0, because this is pure comedy.[/quote]

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Why do would you care if abortion rates are low if you agree with abortion? Wouldn’t it be better if they are high?[/quote]

You are a complete idiot.[/quote]

Oh? You’re mama like brick, flat in front, flat in the back and gets laid by mexicans…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

What pat believes is that the zygote is a fullfledged human being. It isn’t. A zygote does not possess the same attributes a living, breathing human being has, …yet.
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Sorry, your line of thinking died with the advancement of science. There’s no womb fairy swapping out organisms. It’s the same exact individual organism.
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Correct. Science is not on the side of abortion. You kill the ‘zygote’ you kill the person…That person cannot be replaced, ever. You can get a different zygote.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
This is the argument we seem to inevitably devolve into, we spend pages upon pages discussing what it is to be human, and no realistic solutions are provided.

We can all agree that reducing abortion rates would be a good thing - now how do we do it? Is there a better way than education and access to contraception?[/quote]

X2[/quote]

If abortion is a right and good thing, why in the fuck would you need to reduce it’s incidence?..If you are claiming it must be reduced, you are admitting it’s bad thing and your just to stupid or flat evil to recognize it…

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Pat, Sloth et al, why don’t you just come out and say, “I don’t care what any of you think. I don’t care about what women want, and i don’t care about their reproductive rights. I find a clump of cells far more important that all of that.”

Hopefully that’ll cut this thread short.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:

What pat believes is that the zygote is a fullfledged human being. It isn’t. A zygote does not possess the same attributes a living, breathing human being has, …yet.
[/quote]

Sorry, your line of thinking died with the advancement of science. There’s no womb fairy swapping out organisms. It’s the same exact individual organism.
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Correct. Science is not on the side of abortion. You kill the ‘zygote’ you kill the person…That person cannot be replaced, ever. You can get a different zygote.[/quote]

x3

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
Pat, Sloth et al, why don’t you just come out and say, “I don’t care what any of you think. I don’t care about what women want, and i don’t care about their reproductive rights. I find a clump of cells far more important that all of that.”

Hopefully that’ll cut this thread short.[/quote]

If you don’t want to risk pregnancy don’t fuck, period. If you cannot handle the consequences of you actions, don’t do the action.
Abortion is the killing of a person…If women need to kill a person to get what they want, then no, I don’t give a flying ass fuck what they feel.

Abortion is the killing of a human being, if you want me to agree with an abortion, you have to prove it’s not a human life. Since it is impossible to prove something isn’t what it is you are on shaky ground.
Abortions can only be had if the mother’s life is in danger and/ or the child has no chance at life and jeopardizes the mothers life. In those cases there’s no choice, otherwise it’s a willful malicious act against the life of a person.

Yes, a zygote is human, don’t believe me? Run a DNA test on a zygote, if you get something other than a human, I’ll concede. Just because it doesn’t look like you think humans should look like, or isn’t the size you think humans should be, doesn’t mean it’s not human.

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If you don’t want people to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated on the consequences of sex, and you don’t want them to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated, don’t want them to fuck, and deny them acces to birthcontrol; you’re irrational.

If you want a clump of cells to be more important than the rights of a fertile woman; you’re irrational.

Basically pat, your approach and mindset towards this issue is exactly the reason why the USA has so many abortions to begin with.

If you really want to reduce abortions start with this attitude. Only then something might change. But i doubt you, and those alike, are able [let alone willing] to make this change.

You’d rather have women incarcerated or put on a government watchlist than to change your opinion.

It boggles my mind.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
If you don’t want people to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated on the consequences of sex, and you don’t want them to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated, don’t want them to fuck, and deny them acces to birthcontrol; you’re irrational.

If you want a clump of cells to be more important than the rights of a fertile woman; you’re irrational.

Basically pat, your approach and mindset towards this issue is exactly the reason why the USA has so many abortions to begin with.

If you really want to reduce abortions start with this attitude. Only then something might change. But i doubt you, and those alike, are able [let alone willing] to make this change.

You’d rather have women incarcerated or put on a government watchlist than to change your opinion.

It boggles my mind.[/quote]

I don’t care if people fuck. I care if people are irresponsible and displace the consequences on others, in this case their child. I am saying, even if your careful, fucking can render children, if you cannot handle that fact, don’t fuck at least don’t fuck an orifice that has the capability to conceive human life. You can still get blow jobs, ass fucks, hand jobs, various fetishes, animals fucks and not get anything pregnant.

I want abortion to be illegal because killing people is illegal. Even in American law, killing the fetus outside of an abortion clinic, or a botched abortion where the baby comes out alive and is then killed is considered murder. The law is not consistent.
If abortion is to be legal I want it stated clearly that the law supports the taking of human life under certain circumstances. It would not make the act any better, but at least the law would be honest, which right now it is not.

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
This is the argument we seem to inevitably devolve into, we spend pages upon pages discussing what it is to be human, and no realistic solutions are provided.

We can all agree that reducing abortion rates would be a good thing - now how do we do it? Is there a better way than education and access to contraception?[/quote]

X2[/quote]

If abortion is a right and good thing, why in the fuck would you need to reduce it’s incidence?..If you are claiming it must be reduced, you are admitting it’s bad thing and your just to stupid or flat evil to recognize it…[/quote]

I never said it was a right or good thing but sometimes in life you are faced with bad and worst decisions. I personally would not abort my child but If I were a female and I was having trouble taking care of myself let alone a baby. Especially knowing what I know about foster care . I would very definitely consider the option

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
If you don’t want people to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated on the consequences of sex, and you don’t want them to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated, don’t want them to fuck, and deny them acces to birthcontrol; you’re irrational.

If you want a clump of cells to be more important than the rights of a fertile woman; you’re irrational.

Basically pat, your approach and mindset towards this issue is exactly the reason why the USA has so many abortions to begin with.

If you really want to reduce abortions start with this attitude. Only then something might change. But i doubt you, and those alike, are able [let alone willing] to make this change.

You’d rather have women incarcerated or put on a government watchlist than to change your opinion.

It boggles my mind.[/quote]

I don’t care if people fuck. I care if people are irresponsible and displace the consequences on others, in this case their child. I am saying, even if your careful, fucking can render children, if you cannot handle that fact, don’t fuck at least don’t fuck an orifice that has the capability to conceive human life. You can still get blow jobs, ass fucks, hand jobs, various fetishes, animals fucks and not get anything pregnant.

I want abortion to be illegal because killing people is illegal. Even in American law, killing the fetus outside of an abortion clinic, or a botched abortion where the baby comes out alive and is then killed is considered murder. The law is not consistent.
If abortion is to be legal I want it stated clearly that the law supports the taking of human life under certain circumstances. It would not make the act any better, but at least the law would be honest, which right now it is not.

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that. [/quote]

How do you feel if the mothers life was in danger and the only way to save the mothers life were to abort the fetus

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
If you don’t want people to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated on the consequences of sex, and you don’t want them to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated, don’t want them to fuck, and deny them acces to birthcontrol; you’re irrational.

If you want a clump of cells to be more important than the rights of a fertile woman; you’re irrational.

Basically pat, your approach and mindset towards this issue is exactly the reason why the USA has so many abortions to begin with.

If you really want to reduce abortions start with this attitude. Only then something might change. But i doubt you, and those alike, are able [let alone willing] to make this change.

You’d rather have women incarcerated or put on a government watchlist than to change your opinion.

It boggles my mind.[/quote]

I don’t care if people fuck. I care if people are irresponsible and displace the consequences on others, in this case their child. I am saying, even if your careful, fucking can render children, if you cannot handle that fact, don’t fuck at least don’t fuck an orifice that has the capability to conceive human life. You can still get blow jobs, ass fucks, hand jobs, various fetishes, animals fucks and not get anything pregnant.

I want abortion to be illegal because killing people is illegal. Even in American law, killing the fetus outside of an abortion clinic, or a botched abortion where the baby comes out alive and is then killed is considered murder. The law is not consistent.
If abortion is to be legal I want it stated clearly that the law supports the taking of human life under certain circumstances. It would not make the act any better, but at least the law would be honest, which right now it is not.

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that. [/quote]

Because it wasn’t his choice to make, that’s why.

Government sanctioned murder is commonplace. There’s no reason to make an exception for abortion at the detriment of over 100 million women in your country.

But anyway, i much rather stick to discussion religion and beliefs eventhough the likelyhood of having a normal conversation on that subject is also very, very slim.

Bonjour.

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[quote]pat wrote:

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that. [/quote]

Conservatives pushed for the conviction so they could later use it as an argument against abortion.

Gosh I feel like Batman.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ephrem wrote:
If you don’t want people to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated on the consequences of sex, and you don’t want them to fuck; you’re irrational.

If you don’t want people educated, don’t want them to fuck, and deny them acces to birthcontrol; you’re irrational.

If you want a clump of cells to be more important than the rights of a fertile woman; you’re irrational.

Basically pat, your approach and mindset towards this issue is exactly the reason why the USA has so many abortions to begin with.

If you really want to reduce abortions start with this attitude. Only then something might change. But i doubt you, and those alike, are able [let alone willing] to make this change.

You’d rather have women incarcerated or put on a government watchlist than to change your opinion.

It boggles my mind.[/quote]

I don’t care if people fuck. I care if people are irresponsible and displace the consequences on others, in this case their child. I am saying, even if your careful, fucking can render children, if you cannot handle that fact, don’t fuck at least don’t fuck an orifice that has the capability to conceive human life. You can still get blow jobs, ass fucks, hand jobs, various fetishes, animals fucks and not get anything pregnant.

I want abortion to be illegal because killing people is illegal. Even in American law, killing the fetus outside of an abortion clinic, or a botched abortion where the baby comes out alive and is then killed is considered murder. The law is not consistent.
If abortion is to be legal I want it stated clearly that the law supports the taking of human life under certain circumstances. It would not make the act any better, but at least the law would be honest, which right now it is not.

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that. [/quote]

How do you feel if the mothers life was in danger and the only way to save the mothers life were to abort the fetus[/quote]

I already answered that, it is the only case for abortion. Ectopic pregnancies and such are the only circumstances where an abortion would be necessary. In these cases one or both lives will end if something isn’t done anyway.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

Why was Scott Peterson convicted of double murder when on of the lives he took was his unborn son? Riddle me that. [/quote]

Conservatives pushed for the conviction so they could later use it as an argument against abortion.

Gosh I feel like Batman.[/quote]

Conservatives pushed for the conviction? LOL! He was tried in a court of law and found guilty. The judicial branch is not subject to public pressure.

You were kidding, right?