Money. Taboo?

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:

If I do, at some point require an infusion of money, I’m considering being a part time assassin. I hear that pays well.

Especially if you have mad ninja skills.

Well, that goes without saying.

Glad to see you’ve done your market research.In today’s tough economic assassin climate,it’s imperative to have the correct skill set in order to edge out the competition in the hunt for those lucrative contracts.

Son, you have some worrying to do in SA.

Where do you live?

I’m from JHB - actually going back tomorrow evening for 2 weeks for a holiday, but I’ll never go back long term.

Yep,SA is not easy.I’m living in Jhb.Been in Montreal for a few months,flying back tonight.

Cool - whereabout in JHB?

I’m a South boy but have friends mostly around Randburg and Craighall.

East,Bedfordview side.Have lots of mates in the South,Glenvista,Robertsham…
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Ha, I live(d) down the road from Robertsham - shit, my first stop is Gino’s on Sunday for the best pizza in the world.

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This thread has been an eye-opener. I work for the federal government, so my income is actually public knowledge. The classification and pay rates for all government positions are public knowledge.

So it would be very easy for anyone in the world to discover that I make just under 72K canadian a year.

Reading this thread, I’ve learned that private sector employees who divulge their income could lose a potential bargaining chip. Never thought of that before (never had to really).

While everyone knows what everyone makes around here, we don’t typically talk about it all that much. People of similar pay rates might discuss what they make, but I wouldn’t talk about my pay rate in front of an office administrator that might only make half what I make.

I made that mistake once, and found that people don’t necessarily like to be reminded that you make more than them.

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One thing that I have found from working in management is that most of the ground level employees either massively overestimate or massively underestimate what the management team make.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:

If I do, at some point require an infusion of money, I’m considering being a part time assassin. I hear that pays well.

Especially if you have mad ninja skills.

Well, that goes without saying.

Glad to see you’ve done your market research.In today’s tough economic assassin climate,it’s imperative to have the correct skill set in order to edge out the competition in the hunt for those lucrative contracts.

Son, you have some worrying to do in SA.

Where do you live?

I’m from JHB - actually going back tomorrow evening for 2 weeks for a holiday, but I’ll never go back long term.

Yep,SA is not easy.I’m living in Jhb.Been in Montreal for a few months,flying back tonight.

Cool - whereabout in JHB?

I’m a South boy but have friends mostly around Randburg and Craighall.

East,Bedfordview side.Have lots of mates in the South,Glenvista,Robertsham…

Ha, I live(d) down the road from Robertsham - shit, my first stop is Gino’s on Sunday for the best pizza in the world.[/quote]

Enjoy the pizza and have a safe holiday!

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[quote]oneils wrote:
This thread has been an eye-opener. I work for the federal government, so my income is actually public knowledge. The classification and pay rates for all government positions are public knowledge.

So it would be very easy for anyone in the world to discover that I make just under 72K canadian a year.

Reading this thread, I’ve learned that private sector employees who divulge their income could lose a potential bargaining chip. Never thought of that before (never had to really).

While everyone knows what everyone makes around here, we don’t typically talk about it all that much. People of similar pay rates might discuss what they make, but I wouldn’t talk about my pay rate in front of an office administrator that might only make half what I make.

I made that mistake once, and found that people don’t necessarily like to be reminded that you make more than them. [/quote]

It’s the same in the military. Everyone knows what you make, but it would be one dumbass move to openly discuss your income in a room filled with enlisted when they make less. It’s like a slap in the face to them, even if you don’t mean it.

I made an innocent mistake of responding to the effect of, “Oh, today’s payday?” when someone else mentioned it only to be told that I would know it was payday if I made as little as they did.

Smart people avoid discussion of money, politics or religion at work unless sure the person you are speaking to is on the exact same level or has a similar opinion.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Smart people avoid discussion of money, politics or religion at work unless sure the person you are speaking to is on the exact same level or has a similar opinion.[/quote]

Well, I’ve never been that smart, but my day is usually pretty interesting. I get a lot of running in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Smart people avoid discussion of money, politics or religion at work unless sure the person you are speaking to is on the exact same level or has a similar opinion.[/quote]

I agree with this. I find it’s best not to discuss money at all because it often leads to hard feelings. For example, you get a surprise Christmas bonus. You are very happy to receive it.

You discuss it with someone else only to find out they received more. Now, something that made you feel good five minutes ago has you feeling like shit. Just discussing it has changed your entire perspective. I don’t care what anyone else makes. If it isn’t in my pay envelope, it isn’t my business.

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[quote]oneils wrote:
This thread has been an eye-opener. I work for the federal government, so my income is actually public knowledge. The classification and pay rates for all government positions are public knowledge.

So it would be very easy for anyone in the world to discover that I make just under 72K canadian a year.

Reading this thread, I’ve learned that private sector employees who divulge their income could lose a potential bargaining chip. Never thought of that before (never had to really).

While everyone knows what everyone makes around here, we don’t typically talk about it all that much. People of similar pay rates might discuss what they make, but I wouldn’t talk about my pay rate in front of an office administrator that might only make half what I make.

I made that mistake once, and found that people don’t necessarily like to be reminded that you make more than them. [/quote]

Same here. I work for the state and anyone that makes more than 50k a year is in the public website. I’m hourly however, not salaried.
When you make overtime it’s taxed at a different rate than straight time. The tax rate increases as the ot hours increase.

You earn 1 1/2 up to @25hrs ot. From there to @40 hrs taxes make it 1 1/4. From there to @60 hrs taxs make it straight time. From ther to @70 hrs or more it’s about 3/4 time. So when the site say’s 60k, hourly take home is less than 60k salaried. This year ot hrs are down.

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It seems to me that the problem is that to a lot of people, all questions must belong to one of two categories, ‘A’ or ‘B’:

A) rude to ask
B) rude to answer with “no comment” or “I would rather not say”

It seems many (most?) people do not believe in the existence of a third category:

C) fine to ask; and fine to answer or deflect according to personal preference

I can’t think of very many cases where I was annoyed because somebody asked me something. For me, the annoying thing was when they didn’t want to accept my preference to not answer, with bullcrap like, “I don’t see what the big deal is” or “what does that mean?” (in response to “no comment”).

You ask me the questions you want to ask; and I’ll answer the ones I want to answer.

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[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:
It seems to me that the problem is that to a lot of people, all questions must belong to one of two categories, ‘A’ or ‘B’:

A) rude to ask
B) rude to answer with “no comment” or “I would rather not say”

It seems many (most?) people do not believe in the existence of a third category:

C) fine to ask; and fine to answer or deflect according to personal preference

I can’t think of very many cases where I was annoyed because somebody asked me something. For me, the annoying thing was when they didn’t want to accept my preference to not answer, with bullcrap like, “I don’t see what the big deal is” or “what does that mean?” (in response to “no comment”).

You ask me the questions you want to ask; and I’ll answer the ones I want to answer.[/quote]

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Stop deflecting! Answer the damn question!