This is correct. Middle aged men have the highest rate of suicide. You included details. Thanks.
I actually have a weirdly lot of information about suicide. Iâve been to a ridiculous number of trainings on the matter because I was a crisis worker and in a different capacity served as the front door for teens coming into mental health services, so Iâve been a primary liaison to psych inpatient from both directions (admissions and discharge).
I havenât encountered what youâre describing, though of course lonely, sad people contemplate suicide frequently. The most-given reason for men over 50 to contemplate or attempt suicide is a failure of some sort. Job loss, alienation of spouse (as when the man has been caught cheating and the spouse leaves, kids get upset). âIâve ruined everythingâ is the sort of statement I look for when Iâm deciding whether to ask about guns in the house.
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Rates of sex, suicide rates, marriage rates, all these different statistics are being manipulated in this thread. People are starting with a concept - increase of incels due to negative societal influences - and searching for statistics to prop it up, instead of looking at statistics and using them to draw a conclusion. Thereâs a stretch to connect any of these statistics. Itâs just so much more simple than that - shuttered in men have an instrument (the internet) to connect with each other and reinforce the unhealthy ideas and biases that are causing them to be shuttered in, thus compounding their problems - and prior to the internet, shuttered in people wouldnât be able to communicate with anyone.
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âŠIncreasing the odds that theyâd leave the house, if for no other reason than to bitch about their sad states, and in the doing of which might meet someone who made the whole thing better.
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Exactly. Itâd be much more of an incentive without any real communication to search for SOME, and to learn how to effectively do so.
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Thatâs certainly a valid point too.
Notice how I said material comforts and not fulfillment or happiness (whole other thread topic on materialism). But by nearly every material measure the middle class personâs life has improved. Here is a source for the increase in just food, shelter and clothing.
Average home size and sf/person.
Calories/day
clothing
" 8. The average American woman owns 30 outfitsâone for every day of the month. In 1930, that figure was nine"
(Forbes).
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Iâll take that too. Of course such people are responsible for what they do, and no one is going to improve his lot by complaining online.
You mean like politicians of all stripes talking about how that hated âotherâ (rich people, brown people, Jewish people, government buerocrats etcâŠ) stole your prosperity and if not for them your life would be way better?
Itâs a pretty worn trope.
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Thereâs a reason I had qualifiers in my question. How about you address the rest of it rather than use it for your own narrative spin ⊠youâre better than that.
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Itâs like the old âYou can be an Astronaut ot The PresidentâŠâ lie and disillusionment that follows.
I actually prefer what a couple of guys told me about sobriety- âDo all of this to the best of your ability, and you Might stand a chance.â.
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Wasnât aware I was manipulating your question and acting in bad faith. Still not sure how I am, but I will try again now with a couple personal anecdotes.
Iâve had union representatives and members tell me in negotiations that they deserve 5% cost of living increases every year, regardless of how the company or the worker themself performs. They talked about how healthcare coverage should be 100% free to the union member with no deductibles and copays. Theyâd always talk about how good things used to be when a single HS educated worker could bankroll a mortgage, cars and keep the wife at home.
Iâve personally experienced a couple of protests in downtown Pittsburgh (occupy pittsburgh) several years ago. They camped outside BNY Mellon where I worked at the time. So on my lunch break Iâd hide my ID badge and go talk to them out of curiosity. There were some outright marxists of course. But for the most part it was people who felt that the bankers had taken their wealth and that foreclosures were inherently immoral. Iâd ask questions like âso what should a bank do when you donât pay your mortgage for yearsâ. Iâd get answers like âthe government should step in and provide reliefâ. To which Iâd ask âdid the government force you to sign up for that mortgage?â⊠the conversations would eventually drift toward their frustrations with job markets, living wages, the top 1% etc. They felt helpless because things werenât as easy for them as previous generations.
On the bright side, they had a duty free store in the bum tent city that sold beer, cigarettes and camping gear.
Thatâs the sentiment Iâm clumsily trying to describe if not the exact words. The sentiment that society owes you a living.
As far as what I was taught at home as a child, it was the exact opposite. I was taught I had to earn things and that nobody owed me anything. Not money, not things and not even attention or love lol.
I donât think you were acting in bad faith - you misquoted me, cherry picked what was a complex complete thought. Iâm not sure you read through my entire question - if you had Iâd think youâd understand what I was asking ⊠it had nothing to do with the media - more so to do with first-hand, direct experience.
Your anecdotes were more inline with my sentiment.
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yo, seriously are you fucking seriously arguing with @deandre_va_der_saar that men and women have the same opportunities to cheat?
And that men arenât ribbed on more if they get cheated on? Fucking serious?
Give me a break man. What world do YOU live in? No man, even the wealthiest, highest celebrity type of guys have the same opportunities than your average female. lol this is an absurd suggestion.
Any female can go outside and in minutes find whatever guy to sleep with, its that easy for most of them if they arenât completely obese or somewhat disfigured. A woman holds on the power in sexual encounters, all she has to do is say âhey wanna sleep with meâ.
Second, when a man is cheated on, even his close friends will chuckle, this is simply truth. Not in a malicious way, but a âyou poor sapâ kind of way. And in almost every man the question comes up âwhat was this dude doing wrongâ
This is how we are programmed, unfortunately. Simple thought experiments will demonstrate this: think of being cheated on, what crosses your mind?
Most guys (maybe not you because youâre half breed male/female weirdo) will turn inwards, and wonder what they did wrong, if they are no longer sexually gratifying to be with, etc etc etc etc.
A woman tends to turn it outward âthis fucking pig canât control himselfâ. That doesnât mean they donât feel depressed, they do, doesnât mean they donât feel âunwantedâ they do, but it isnât to the same degree as a man. Not even close.
It is so common for men to feel this way that there is pathologies that get manifested⊠look at any âcuckâ video. I donât see many women fantasize about their man pounding some hot blonde bimbo.
I am willing to accept that you live in an area where things may actually be like how you describe. So, where you from flap? I have to know this paradise you live in.
Again, you guys have shitty friends.
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Also, yes Iâm disagreeing. The paradise I live in is one where Iâm able to talk to women without âseeing what theyâre about so I can pick up on predictable speech patterns and feminist thinking pointsâ - that and women find young fathers being active and outdoors with their kids to be attractive. I get hit on at every park I take my kids too. I just love my wife.
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Oh my holy Moley you arenât kidding.
There has to be some kind of phenomenon behind this.
The grocery store I go to became ridiculous when my son was a baby and beginning toddler.
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Yeah flap. Same thing happens when I walk my dog.
You donât think that maybe they do that because they perceive you as âsafeâ? same reason why women love to dance all filthy with gay guys at clubs.
Why donât you act on it a little, respond with some innuendo, a bit more aggressiveness next time and see how their opinion of you drops like a fucking rock.
But Iâm sure some women are truly hitting on you as the amount of fatherless single moms increase, seeing a faithful man with a child will be a rarity and cause jealously in a lot of women.
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But I just told you the difference. There is still sympathy, but it is different. It isnât the same.
Sad as it may be that is the way it is. Same reason why society can routinely laugh at a man with a small dick even though itâs not his fault, but god forbid you body shame some fat chick.
Should we change that as a society? Yes, we should. But as of right now this is the way it is not sure why you ignore this.
To keep the analogy you have to use the same disproportion of body part.
And who hasnât laughed about a woman with a giant vagina? (cue jokes about losing watches, cave diving, etc.)