If they can afford to purchase access to sex, they are no longer celibate… thus no longer an incel.
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You have ‘buddies’ who tease each other when their significant others cheat on them? And automatically assume it’s their fault? Are you sure you’re not all just shitty people? The rest of us just assume it’s horrible to be cheated on, no matter who you are.
LOL, you think the average women has the same amount of opportunities as a celebrity? First of all, I’m married, and there have been a fuckton of opportunities to cheat. This is just hilarious, dude. Your whole post is “both women and men” and “people” and “they” but it’s all just you - your lone outlook on how things go in the world based off of nothing other than your own biases and the people you choose to hang around with and talk with.
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They still need to have the actual sex.
No, I don’t. That’s not what I wrote.
Women DO have more opportunities to cheat and get way more propositions than men. You disagree?
Do you think “perennially womanless men” would be a more accurate term for men who want more than sex (marriage, loving relationship, family)?
He’s just posting what he thinks men do.
It’s based on his imagination (such that it is).
You’re married so you know what it would feel like if your wife were to cheat on you. Therefore, if a buddy of yours was cheated on you wouldn’t tease him because you know how much it must suck. But you have friends and relationships that actually exist to explain why you know this.
People not achieving whatever qualifies as “stable” or “having your act together” isn’t surprising. For the vast majority of human history most people have been really poor. We have this mythology in the US that being prosperous is a birthright or is somehow easy. It isn’t.
“Middle class” doesn’t mean what it used to mean either. In terms of material comfort we’re way better off than people in the 50s for instance.
zetardo, for every 10 posts, 6 are yours. You responded to me within 2 minutes. You’re living the vida loca, aren’t you?
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Pot, kettle.
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I’ve heard this before and I don’t believe it considering debt, housing costs, inflation, and stagnant wages.
I just don’t see it as a real group of men at all. If you’re not disfigured or a burn victim, you absolutely CAN find a spouse. You just might not be able to be a ‘sexual market value’ 4 getting an woman who scores an 8.
Go visit a trailer park or a housing project some time. Plenty of guys who are complete fuckups, ugly, broke, substance abusers, ex cons etc… who have female significant others. They aren’t dating models of course. But they’re no catch either.
Just one difference between these guys and incels, they took action to get a significant other.
Perhaps, and although Im just one person, I’ve never had a single person express that to me. In fact, the people I know are well aware of their capabilities.
You wrote that short of being a celebrity, most men don’t get nearly the same amount of opportunities to cheat as women. The way that sentence is phrased suggests that only celebrities get the same opportunities. It’s what you wrote. If it’s not what you meant, that’s a different story.
And on the other point, the idea that you’re presenting here is that society is crueler to men (big surprise) with regards to infidelity. This has nothing to do with the act of cheating itself. That act holds the same level of amorality in all people. If you believe that men have the shit end of the stick, that is, once again, just your opinion.
I worked within walking distance from them for fifteen years, at one place across the street. 
Curious if this myth has ever been explicitly stated to anyone in this thread? Like a first hand, anecdotal example of someone saying “being prosperous is easy and is your birthright” or something reasonably comparable. Or is this something we just assumed with no discernible direct reinforcement?
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I wrote that men on average don’t get nearly the same ammount of opportunities to cheat as women on average (which is true) unless they are a celebrity. In which case, yes, they have MORE. No shit.
Jesus Christ, I though that was understood. I don’t know how greenboy has the patience for this.
I also believe that, under the same conditions, men will cheat more than women. Way more.
I also believe that the earth revolves around the sun. But yeah, just my opinion.
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I watched and read both, but wonder what your takeaway is? Mine is that the hypergamy that keeps coming up in these threads is not the issue, but rather a desire on women’s parts for reasonably matched social stratification in men. Women are looking for college educated men OR guys making $40K, which is not a princely sum for people who are not impaired in some way.
So I feel it supports my view of things, but assume you must also feel supported by it.
What I, @Beyond_Beyond, and @greenboy have taken notice of: increasing difficulty for many men to meet financial obligations, which I believe has something to do with the increase in suicides per capita over the past few years. Andrew Yang and Tucker Carlson have spoken about this issue as well, as shown by videos I’ve shared elsewhere. I also mentioned a staggering increase in incarcerations per capita since the 1970’s and the loneliness epidemic that some are now considering a public health risk. They all tie together in my view.
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Inaccurate.
U.S. suicide rates are rising across age groups and demographics, and youth are no exception. But the uptick hasn’t been equal across genders. Starting in 2007, suicide rates for girls ages 10 to 14 began increasing annually by about 13%, compared to about 7% for boys, according to the new study. For teens ages 15 to 19, rates among girls and boys increased by about 8% and 3.5%, respectively, the new study says.
Suicide rates among teen girls hit a 40-year high in 2015, according to previous federal data. And in the process, the disparity between male and female suicide rates has lessened considerably, Ruch says. In 1975, boys ages 10 to 14 died by suicide 3.14 times more than girls, but by 2016, they died 1.8 times more often. For boys ages 15 to 19, those numbers dropped from 4.15 to 3.31 over the same time period.
Men over 50 have the highest rate of completed suicides, and we can talk about that if you’d like, but your current views on this matter as concerns shifts among young men are incorrect.
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Nope, not true. It’s just what you believe. And yes, I’m sure it’s just “what you’ve seen”. But it’s not some absolute truth. Which is why I took note of your ridiculous statement. If it was that obvious of a statement, why even make it?
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