Molyneux on Incels

You sound like you are coming from a scientific background where things are always accurately quantifiable, facts are cold and hard, rather than opinions. I suppose I could spend a year doing surveys on various students, and other members of society or trawling through statistics hoping to find something relevant one way or the other hoping to prove or disprove a point. I could do all that and even then I have no guarantee you would accept what I said is the truth.

Facts should end and argument but that’s not how it always works in the real world. Some people just don’t accept facts even if the evidence is sitting right before them, if they don’t want to believe it. Take the climate change debate for example.
People also used to think the Earth was flat, that was considered a fact at the time. Were we really able to prove otherwise 100% until man went into space and observed the earth from outside it? Is space flight just another hoax, and are we just living in the matrix? Prove me wrong
and do it now. I want statistics, a thesis that is peer reviewed , and I want it yesterday. (not being serious because that would be unreasonable and impractical)

In the meanwhile am I supposed to ignore my own experience and the experience of many others from all around the world that I have observed?

When I told friends and family members of my experience, they didn’t believe me (or more likely didn’t want to believe me). I heard “people don’t behave like that!” several times, then invariably they came around and conceded I was not joking, then I get the" those people sound like they are crazy".

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Unfortunately that’s pretty standard for visual and fine arts at a university level, all over the western world. Have you seen the shit that counts as high art these days? It kind of explains why the art is so bad these days.

If you want to learn how to be an artist don’t go to a university, go to a private art school that practises traditional techniques.

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Some of the best art I’ve seen has been by people mostly self-taught.

Much modern architecture is an eyesore too.

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There still are plenty of excellent artists out there despite the crappy universities. Good artists don’t always get the recognition when they’re alive, that’s always been the case to some extent.
Plenty are also self taught. A course hopefully allows you to learn from the experience of others that have trod the path before you, so you don’t have to reinvent the wheel.

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I wonder at what point in the dialogue we’re going to collectively realize that being able to recall very distinct and precise instances of something occurring is an example of it being UNCOMMON rather than common.

Example of something being common when it is, in fact, common.

“Texting and driving is VERY common.”
“Really?”
“Yeah. Literally every single day I drive I see people texting and driving.”

Example of something being “common” when it is, in fact, uncommon

“Finding $20 on the street is VERY common”
“Really?”
“Yeah man. I was at the zoo once when I was 8, on a class field trip, and I found a $20 bill outside the gorilla exhibit. It was really cool!”

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You and @polo77j remind me of those cigarette lobbyists that pulled every single trick out of the hat to refute cigs causing cancer.

For many years prior to It being proven by hard cold facts people had the belief cigarets caused cancer, but it was so painfully obvious to any doctor treating so many patients that smoked.

Lobbyists: “well your’e not a scientist, where’s the evidence”
Doctor: “but I see patients everyday, it happens frequently”
Lobbyists: “that’s YOUR opinion, that is YOUR opinion. And maybe you’re a shitty doctor”

You guys are clowns. Feminist thinking has been spreading in there last few years, how do I know this to be true? I’ve seen more women posting feminist garbage on instagram, I’ve talked to younger girls with harder feminist ideals and behaviors than I have in the past, I can see shit with my own eyes.

Does it mean this is taking over the world at large? No, but it means that these ideas have been spreading far and wide for some time and it is clearly having an impact.

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The internet is weird man.

Years ago, if you went for 6 months without sex, you quietly seethed and hoped for the best.

Now they’ve given it a name which in turn gives folk some form of identity.

They then go online and find like minded souls and create a f^*+ing cult around the concept.

And this hating women shit because they won’t go near you. Dearie fucking me😂.

If you really want to hate women, stay with one for a few years😂

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Cool.

lol

do they really hate women though? I’m sure there are some that do but those are disturbed individuals.

it’s like everyone right now is a racist, everyone is a woman hater, everyone is this or that. There’s no more discussions and that is the biggest issue I have with people today.

Am I people hater now? Do I just HATE people because they want to slap labels on everyone immediately?

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Women can be extremely verbally abusive. Some men can really shut it out, it’s a skill a lot of us have, that ability to ‘turn off’ our hearing when they speak. I really do wonder if that is an evolutionary trait passed down to us lol.

The uptick in women cheating is definitely on the rise. Out of all the friends I have both women and men, and couples I know, I think the women have cheated more often than the men.

Don’t get me wrong, men still do cheat, but from the people I know, the stories I hear, it’s women cheating more often these days. Go ahead, tell me its a sample bias, whatever, I’m just speaking from my experience.

Have I ever been cheated on, personally? No, not outside of silly high school romance stuff like “we need a break”. Now, I have been on the other end, I have slept with girls that were in a relationship, or married. So, I definitely wouldn’t put it passed anyone or be surprised if I really as cheated on. I guess I am super jaded in that department

Is it somehow worse or more reflective upon women as a whole that they may be cheating more?

Like, if you take the same proportion of men, and they are cheating–are they on par, or is it somehow worse that women cheat too?

As said in other posts, I believe some men get an image of women they believe they should be with, regarding both appearance and behavior, from porn and other media.

Complains about women cheating. Proceeds to help women cheat.

If it has to be with women you’re apparently super jaded in all departments.

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A very sincere and true post, one in which I have seen with some friends of mine over the years.

I’ve noticed this happen, to even the most un-incel type of guys you could imagine. Guys that were good looking gym going dudes, guys that got a lot of girls but yet they suffered mental health issues related to all of this. Why? Why did they have these problems?

My answer has always been that these guys never had a ‘creative passion’. Its recently been shown that ‘creation’ in any form , be it even playing the guitar in your room like @T3hPwnisher was talking about helps with your mental health. I’ve always known this, but it is good to see more studies coming out about it.

So, as we approach an even more ‘creative’ society where only the ones that can create can achieve wealth and success this leaves a shit ton of people that simply do not have that within them. So where do they find anything rewarding? A family. A family is the best creation human kind has ever had.

But what happens when only those jobs and careers are rewarding members of society? What happens to the rest of the population? Especially those men? What happens when driving jobs are gone? and men are kinda lost for a few decades
 will women be as forgiving to them?

My answer is no. At least not yet. Not in this country. And that is why I think we are seeing this increase in ‘incel’ like movements

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I think it is worse when women cheat, from an evolutionary perspective it would seem worse since it kind of goes against their nature to sleep around.

Women tend to get attached after sex. Men don’t, on average. A man fucking a bunch of girls would probably bring him joy, or at least would not effect him negatively psychologically outside of maybe the stress of joggling it.

I’ve known girls that have slept around, one of my friends right now is single, around 35, and sleeping around, and she is miserable . She is “tired” of it and it never brought her true happiness.

I know ‘cheating’ is different but when women cheat it is because they lack something in their relationship, or at least that is what every woman has ever told me why they cheated. Maybe they’re lying to me? I dunno.

I’m shocked to see you think it’s worse that women do something both sexes do. Simply shocked.

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Thanks. As you can see I deleted the post.

Why do you have this habit of having one example of something and thinking this speaks for a large group of people. You realize men could be in the exact same scenario right?

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Since he made it up, it’s not being hypocritical
is it?

Don’t pressure him. He’ll stop having pretend friends when he’s ready.