How do you define these people as incels? At what point do they become one? 17 and not laid? 21? You’re with a girl who wants to wait until marriage to fuck you? When does one go from just struggling in the lady department to an Incel?
Hell maybe I was an incel at 13. I certainly realized then I wanted to have sex but it didn’t happen for a few years. Does it have to be intercourse? I knew more than a few girls in college who had no problem giving oral but wouldn’t have intercourse unless they were serious.
Your other post would make it seem like it’s not much of a problem if all of them ended up getting married.
Not everyone is going to find a life partner this is true for women and men. And not everyone ends up seriously pursuing that either.
I’m still failing to see where this massive new problem is. I think some definitions we could agree on would help.
My opinion would be that if you are not sexually experienced (not just a knee trembler with a random whale at 19) or had at least a 6 month relationship by 25, you are an incel.
I’d say incel as you should be functioning by 25. The acne has gone, you don’t live with your parents, you have an income, you habe met 100s of females in every scenario there is, etc. Basically, no discernible excuse to be an incel by 25.
And leading up to that is obvious too. I know a male incel who is 30. It became ever more obvious this was his path from 19-20. And he is sociable, very wealthy, slightly below average looks but makes a big effort with his appearance. He just cannot pull the trigger, women don’t see him as a man.
I know a female incel of 32, same stuff. Rich (extremely), ok looks, makes an effort. But a sour faced miserable cunt and has been since young too. I could also have predicted her inceldom back when she was 19 too.
Random long periods of celibacy are not the same as being an incel imo. An incel is someone who has never cracked in by being able to have sex few times or have a 6+ month relationship.
I think the incel issue is only one facet of a larger related societal problems. Women rights, divorce/custody laws, sexual revolution, advances in technology, cheap third world labour , mass immigration and probably a lot of other issues are putting a lot of pressure on the young men of today.
They have less opportunity to fulfil the traditional role of a man in society, ie the provider.
Yes you still have men who have full time, well paid employment, that can attract and keep the calibre of women they desire. In the past this was more obtainable than it is today.
Just as the middle class is shrinking economically, more men are being pushed out of their traditional roles, with gender quotas at work, automation of jobs.
What happens to men that are denied an honest chance to be a productive member of society, they become embittered incels, potential misogynists, and potentially violently dangerous, to themselves or society.
Back in the days when this was still Testosterone Nation, I would have been revered for the masculine, outspoken and heroic man that I am.
Instead, I have to put with measly mouthed little dweebs hiding behind their huggy blankets and asking if getting a quick blow job makes them a real man.
The demise of these forums, and wider America, continues apace.
Remember the T-Nation glory days! Professor X, Zraw, Waylander, Stu, Brandon Curry, etc. Even my friend Arash posted a bit two years ago.
Considering Z’s compulsive insults and flagrant rudeness and e-aggression and self-aggrandizement, I want to see proof of his Mediterranean superiority: the body it a Greek god, a bushy head of flowing brunette locks, hefty bank statement, Ivy League diploma, and curriculum vitae, and in what super zip he rubs elbows with the cream of the crop. Identity need not be revealed.
Every other post: “you’re an idiot/loser/racist/supremacist/baby” and “you got mad”.
Ok, so CB posts white nationalist bs and talks like incels in their silly forums and I insult him for it because I’m not a piece of shit. You, on the other hand, made a new friend.
Your response is asking to see how I look because somehow one thing is related to the other. Did I even talk about physiques?
I’m going to ask you a question that you’ve probably been asked before, many times; are you retarded?
Yup! Hence polygamous societies are extremely violent. People can belittle and poke fun at marginalized men all they want. And even if some of these marginalized men truly are despicable or flawed people, in the end it doesn’t matter. It’s still the result, and when mayhem erupts, all of the scrutinizing and belittling and right-versus-wrong platitudes don’t matter.
Even chimps who live in environments in which “might makes right” live a rough-and-tumble life with some males not being able to reproduce. That works for them but it doesn’t work for us.
You insult people because you’re not a POS? Unreal. Why are you so in favor of insulting people? Even people in this thread who don’t like me have said some irreverent things about me, but I don’t think they were intending to insult me. They simply said my ideas and thoughts suck.
There were so many legitimate characters on this site.
The BB, combat, SAMA, PWI, GAL forums were so good. There must have 30-40 constant posters, almost all of whom were well informed and hilarious. It is a shame how things move on, 2003-2006ish were particularly good. I thought I was here from 2005, but actually I think it was 2002ish.
Anyway - too many parrots in here now, spouting the same crap. Most are such whiny pussies too.
Your fake outrage is so boring.
Why be so charmless?
This is a real noticeable change here too. These bottom of the barrel insults.