What’s the issue here? And why would it require societal change to solve?
I was talking about the term bring misunderstood not the phenomenon itself …
I don’t know what would help young men who are deemed to be incels … I’d imagine sure some influential figure could help on a macro scale … on a micro or individual scale some father type figure who has his shit sorted out as well could be beneficial … rejoining and installing a sense of community possibly … o don’t think anyone solution would be sufficient
Previous societal change, namely the sexual revolution, actually lead to what we have today: a reported 30 percent of young men with no women. That’s not good for a nation, a sizable chunk of men with no chance of procreating.
I’m not talking about them being “owed” solely sex or anything else. I’d like to go into detail but I have lost motivation from snark comments, false assumptions, and smears.
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Camus.
Or guitar lessons.
Understanding there is a difference between being a boy and a man.
Guitar lessons would be more helpful I think … at least at jump off
How do you think so? I don’t see reading philosophy will specifically help some men although it could lend to maturity and an increase in knowledge, which helps any adult generally.
How do I think so what? Guitar lessons? I was half joking but focusing on something that’s challenging rather than wallowing in self pity would be a step in the right direction I’d think.
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That’s true.
It’s not the reading so much as the living it.
How do you think the sexual revolution led to 30% of men not getting laid? I fail to see any connection.
Martial arts. BJJ in particular.
From what I’ve read a lot of it has to do with people getting married later on in life which I don’t see as a problem at all.
But from what I’ve read the blaming women part of these people is very real. And hating women while living online is probably not a great strategy for getting laid.
That’s one outgrowth but that’s not all there is to it.
It definitely isn’t.
I wasn’t attempting to argue that it is but we know married people have more sex. And people are waiting to do that so it stands to reason (and many articles back this up) that some of the issue is that.
Having women have a role that isn’t find a husband and have babies super young or you’re a failure is not bad.
And I’ve yet to see someone truly define this problem and how it is different than the past. I would be curious to know how many of these guys that want sex but aren’t having it truly try. Hard to meet women if you stay inside on the internet and play video games (nothing wrong with those two).
Also hard if you think it’s beneath you to be with anyone that isn’t a super model and that you’re entitled to sex.
I want to add that every incel I ever knew eventually overcame inceldom. All are married now, one with kids. So no, engaging in online madhouses doesn’t overcome it. But it seems that modern inceldom isn’t as easy to overcome for some.
For me, I know the causes of it, but to get out of it was simply and ultimately getting rid of cognitive distortions.
Of the real life incels I met in the past, before the term came into being, not one thought that. If anything they likely thought they weren’t attractive enough to get a woman.
Same
Careful there … you know what happens when you try too hard with a girl … spooks them then next thing you know you end up living in your mom’s basement lamenting to an online group about how your can’t get laid and it’s women’s fault
I know you’re not arguing. I want to remain civil in the thread going forward.
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