I just looked him up on Twitter to see what he’s saying these days, I came across this:
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1164740299912036352
Doesn’t this contradict the utopian vision of every man getting a wife that he presents in the video? Instead, only rich men would have wives and children.
And again, his favorite topic. He’s like a broken record, I looked at some of his posts maybe 6 months ago and he’s still going on abut the same thing.
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1164740451741655040
So China taking over would be a good thing then? Or the same Jews he rants about? Because Asians and Jews supposedly have higher average IQs than white people.
It appears this is a thread fail. I’ll take that.
I thought a discussion would take place about the synopsis presented in the video. It didn’t work. Instead of that, the thread is more about the msn’s thoughts on other topics, which didn’t even cross my mind at the time of watching it. Now there is talk of Hitler, race, and an assumption I like ALL of what I heard the man say in a few other non-race-related videos, despite even disliking some of his points (eg, that I take to heart what he says about child raising, as if I like what everyone says simply because I listened).
As said, I accept the thread fail. So long!
I hate these kinda dudes.
But lets be real. How does his outlook on incels impact you in any shape or form when you’re a fit, attractive man (no homo tho 
) who’s happily married with kids?
Thanks. I can answer honestly. I went for years with clinical depression and suicidal ideation in my life, which impacted my life negatively, in addition to something else that impacted me negatively. This severely hampered my ability to find women and form some social connections. It cost me money and time, not to mention just enjoyment of life.
So I’m sensitive to male problems, maybe even hypersensitive to them, especially that I have a son. I had a neglectful, mentally ill dad. I’ve known many men who’ve hard times with things. So I believe my hypersensitivity is plausible though not always beneficial. Hence I’ve listened to podcasts and read books about child raising despite not liking all the content (as stated above).
So this puzzles me. Though I’m not a saint, I have empathy for some men struggling, express some concern and interest, but then I’m given a hard time on it. I’m actually surprised someone finally asked what you asked, or that maybe one would think, “the guy seems genuinely concerned for other men, the same way some alcoholics and addicts are concerned with others.” I don’t need a pat on the back though.
I mean, would I want my son to struggle with an important area of life?
What? A guy with an MA in history believes this? Historically, the poorest people have had the most children. The wealthy were good at making bastards, to use a popular term from the past.
Edit: the above quote is not from Chris but from the Tweet he posted.
You would think he would want to consider Jews white in order to raise the IQ of whites.
Would you want your daughter to? Because girls have issues as well.
No. I think that’s implied.
So what is his plan then? If poor people can’t afford to have kids then he must be supporting the same white genocide he speaks about.
It’s all about skewing the data to support your talking points.
It makes me think, French name, born in Ireland, British accent, claims to be Canadian. Sounds like a good candidate for deportation to me.
I’ve never actually been part of or heard a discussion about this subject in real life.
The types of folks that discuss these sorts of things tend to lack the ability to maintain eye contact or speak without mumbling. Makes real life dialogue tough.
essentially how he speaks in this video. That’s exactly how I would have described it.
So first off, he starts out with this rant about, essentially, ‘the good old days’ when dudes were taken off the market if they were valuable, and nowadays, they just play the field. That’s quite the assumption. He even says ‘like a harem’. Which made me laugh, because of how strongly it undercuts his entire argument. Harems date back a bazillion years. Valuable men sleeping with lots of women dates back a bazillion years. This is not a new thing, and he’s talking about it like it just started happening. ‘Back in my day’ arguments almost always fall apart, IMO.
The essence of what he’s saying here, without actually saying it, is women stepped up their game via feminism, and men have not. He says women did xyz to increase their value, and now their male counterparts who would have previously been considered on their level, no longer are. And that’s not fair to the men. He has no expectation of men to react commensurately to women gaining power, and instead bemoans it as the downfall of humankind.
It’s really shitty.
Oh and back to the racism thing: I could tell this dude was a racist about 5 minutes in, and he’s not even talking about race directly. And I have never seen any of his other videos.
I feel like the only way one can side with this guy after watching this video is if they already felt exactly like this, did not analyze his arguments critically, and just said yes yes yes to everything being said because it was already in their head.
You know I love you @BrickHead, and I can empathize with you on a lot of things we’ve talked about, but I just don’t think this particular guy presents good arguments. His premises are just really, really problematic, and everything falls apart from there. I can’t get down with this one. And I think the racist undercurrent IS relevant to this video specifically.
I think that the whole subject starts from a sympathetic position of “poor guy can’t get laid” then becomes a vehicle for the speakers own brand of crazy- transforming from “poor guy can’t get laid” into “because blacks are stupid”, “DA JOOOOOS!” “Big Pharma/Oil/Military industrial complex"and of course” FEMINAZIS" or what ever other particular twist one wants to put on it.
Because:
1.Ive been part of some truly bizarre conversations up to and including women trading notes on which proctologist gave them the best colonoscopy. But never “I’m an Incel.”.
2.That just seems to be how these things go. It’s never just “I can’t get laid.”. Except for that one dude with his own thread about a month or two ago.
Unlike earlier today, I can now answer this with a “yes”.
Without re-hashing what others have already said, I’ll add what I can. I find this guy’s entire framework to be deeply flawed and fundamentally unproductive.
The main flaw I see is that he completely fails to address social mobility. He speaks of these social dynamics as if our positions are fixed. They aren’t. There is nothing stopping anyone from improving themselves, which is exactly how people who didn’t hit the looks or wealth lottery have always attracted mates and/or sexual partners.
Even if everything he says is correct, which it isn’t, how is thinking about relationships in this way helpful? Do you find it helpful? If so, how?
I think a big problem with this problem, is the idea that getting women is the most important thing in the world. That if only these guys could get, obtain, aquire, women, they would suddenly become happy, fulfilled and successful. When I was a kid I thought the Fonz was cool. If I were to look back now, he would appear to be a loser without much of a future.
If I knew a young man who had some of these issues I would tell him to watch some videos with Arnold before I told him to watch Molyneux.
I was interested in opposing views such as this.
I read that earlier, which is why I took the time to watch the video and give you a response. I know you’re coming from a good place on this.
leave it to @flappinit to derail the topic.
Argue the points in the damn video, not the man behind it.
I think we can all agree (anyone that has looked into him) that he likes controversy, he says things for clicks, etc. He’s a bit nutty but that doesn’t mean everything he says is automatically wrong.
@BrickHead I’ll watch the vid a bit later tonight, I’ve been mad busy this month.
Broadly speaking I thought Stefan was pretty accurate about the original topic.
The topic is Molyneux and his views. Leave it to @flappinit to discuss it.