[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ that was nice. I wonder if Josh Hamilton gives a fuck that the ball he threw to a fan was the one that killed him. Not his fault of course but still.[/quote]
You wonder if he “gives a fuck?” But still what? He threw a ball to a guy who fell to his death, in front of his 6 y/o son, trying to catch it. Who WOULDN’T give a fuck? What kind of monster are you to think that there is any possibility that someone with a goddamned heart behind their breastplate and a motherfucking conscious would be anywhere close to ambivalent about something like that? I wasn’t even there and I give a fuck. Do you?[/quote]
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If that were me, I would need some goddamn time off. I sure as hell doubt I would be going 4 for 5 with 2 doubles and a walk off home run just barely after the incident occurred. How the fuck could you possibly be all that effected if you’re able to not miss a game, hit the ball really well and have no issues going back to the very same spot where a man died in front of his kid?
I’m not criticizing Hamilton because I don’t know how he’s feeling since I am not in his head. Personally, I would need to get the fuck away from Rangers ballpark for a while and not play another game until at least the end of the All Star Break.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
^ that was nice. I wonder if Josh Hamilton gives a fuck that the ball he threw to a fan was the one that killed him. Not his fault of course but still.[/quote]
You wonder if he “gives a fuck?” But still what? He threw a ball to a guy who fell to his death, in front of his 6 y/o son, trying to catch it. Who WOULDN’T give a fuck? What kind of monster are you to think that there is any possibility that someone with a goddamned heart behind their breastplate and a motherfucking conscious would be anywhere close to ambivalent about something like that? I wasn’t even there and I give a fuck. Do you?[/quote]
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If that were me, I would need some goddamn time off. I sure as hell doubt I would be going 4 for 5 with 2 doubles and a walk off home run just barely after the incident occurred. How the fuck could you possibly be all that effected if you’re able to not miss a game, hit the ball really well and have no issues going back to the very same spot where a man died in front of his kid?
I’m not criticizing Hamilton because I don’t know how he’s feeling since I am not in his head. Personally, I would need to get the fuck away from Rangers ballpark for a while and not play another game until at least the end of the All Star Break.[/quote]
Don’t hold the way we would perform to the same standard as Hamilton. He’s a professional athlete for a reason. He’s also being a paid a shitload of money to play everyday and I think if you were in his shoes you would find that playing is the best way to get over it. Like someone else said, life moves on and he has to move past this. It isn’t his fault and the most unhealthy thing he could do is to take a day or two off and dwell on something like that. Getting on the field and channeling all of his focus back into his job is the best remedy for this sort of thing. And the reason he’s a professional athlete is his ability to focus on the task at hand. This is a guy who probably has fans yelling shit at him like “wanna beer?” or “hey, I’ve got some pure fucking smack in my pocket. Wanna shoot up after game?” while he’s in the batter’s box or out in left field.
I agree with you 100% scj119. As someone that has had his fair share of issues with addiction I think you are spot on. I think he did what was best for him. There was an article I was reading where he said he was playing with his kid after he got home from the ball park and all he could think about was that 6 year old yelling for his dad. I don’t think it would do Hamilton any good to take time off. I have a lot of respect for him though to go through something like that and then have the mental strength to play the way he did is unbelievable.
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.[/quote]
That sort of stuff is played up in the media. You can never really tell if a guy is torn up by reading a couple articles. I made my judgement based on his actions. Maybe he is actually torn up about it, DB gave a pretty good explanation as to why.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.[/quote]
That sort of stuff is played up in the media. You can never really tell if a guy is torn up by reading a couple articles. I made my judgement based on his actions. Maybe he is actually torn up about it, DB gave a pretty good explanation as to why. [/quote]
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.[/quote]
That sort of stuff is played up in the media. You can never really tell if a guy is torn up by reading a couple articles. I made my judgement based on his actions. Maybe he is actually torn up about it, DB gave a pretty good explanation as to why. [/quote]
I’m loathe to take the word of a professional athlete who I have never met or known, but in certain cases we can use our best judgment to come to a conclusion about the sincerity of comments from a player or regarding a player. In this case I don’t think it’s foolhardy at all to accept that what has been said about Hamilton and what he has said about the situation is anything but entirely sincere.
You’re right, you never can “tell”. But you can come to an educated conclusion and anyone who knows anything about Hamilton, his past and his faith can come to the reasonable conclusion that his performance on the field has nothing to do with his feelings about the death of one of his fans. Besides, he’s the reigning MVP and he plays in a fucking bandbox. Why is him going 4-5 with a bomb an indication of anything other than his talent level?
I remember when Barry Bonds’ dad died. He had been spending the night, every night, at the hospital after each home game. I can’t remember what year that was now, but he won the MVP award. The first two games he played in after Bobby Bonds died, he hit three monster homeruns. Does that mean he didn’t give a fuck?
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.[/quote]
That sort of stuff is played up in the media. You can never really tell if a guy is torn up by reading a couple articles. I made my judgement based on his actions. Maybe he is actually torn up about it, DB gave a pretty good explanation as to why. [/quote]
I’m loathe to take the word of a professional athlete who I have never met or known, but in certain cases we can use our best judgment to come to a conclusion about the sincerity of comments from a player or regarding a player. In this case I don’t think it’s foolhardy at all to accept that what has been said about Hamilton and what he has said about the situation is anything but entirely sincere.
You’re right, you never can “tell”. But you can come to an educated conclusion and anyone who knows anything about Hamilton, his past and his faith can come to the reasonable conclusion that his performance on the field has nothing to do with his feelings about the death of one of his fans. Besides, he’s the reigning MVP and he plays in a fucking bandbox. Why is him going 4-5 with a bomb an indication of anything other than his talent level?[/quote]
I’ve been following the Josh Hamilton story for a long time because I find him to be very inspirational. I used to live in Charleston, SC and he played for the minor league Riverdogs (AA I think) as he was making his comeback and everyone would stop whatever they were doing to watch when he was at bat. I do not know they guy of course but what I do know of him would lead me to believe he will go beyond what is necessary for the Stone family.
Ironic twist is that on Friday’s game a fan was injured by a Hamilton foul ball and required stitches.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
Idk how you can be a big baseball fan and not have seen or heard any of the countless stories about Hamilton’s role in the matter, and his feelings after. His grief has been talked about almost as much as the incident itself, he’s understandably torn up about it, as anybody would be, and his manager even offered to let him sit. C’mon man.[/quote]
That sort of stuff is played up in the media. You can never really tell if a guy is torn up by reading a couple articles. I made my judgement based on his actions. Maybe he is actually torn up about it, DB gave a pretty good explanation as to why. [/quote]
And DB gave a short answer too.
Just kidding DB.[/quote]
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I remember when Barry Bonds’ dad died. He had been spending the night, every night, at the hospital after each home game. I can’t remember what year that was now, but he won the MVP award. The first two games he played in after Bobby Bonds died, he hit three monster homeruns. Does that mean he didn’t give a fuck?[/quote]
The effect of Bobby Bonds death on Barry Bonds is not comparable. The fan was a stranger to Josh Hamilton that died largely from his own stupidity. Barry Bonds father also died of cancer which slowly played out over an extended period. Barry knew it was coming while The fan’s death was acute. I don’t see how you can draw any parallel between these situations.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I remember when Barry Bonds’ dad died. He had been spending the night, every night, at the hospital after each home game. I can’t remember what year that was now, but he won the MVP award. The first two games he played in after Bobby Bonds died, he hit three monster homeruns. Does that mean he didn’t give a fuck?[/quote]
The effect of Bobby Bonds death on Barry Bonds is not comparable. The fan was a stranger to Josh Hamilton that died largely from his own stupidity. [/quote]
Now you’re just trying to get a rise out of me with the stupidity comment.
Back to good things about the game. Pablo Sandoval was named to the All-Star team today. He’s been a great story all year and, all bias aside, it’s great to see him put in the work necessary to remain a relevant player in the Giants’ system and then get rewarded for it. I think you could argue that Aramis Ramirez or Scott Rolen was more deserving since they’ve played the full first half, but given that this is a game for the fans I think Sandoval was the right choice. He’s a great character, has a great attitude and is a fan favorite. He’s even popular amongst non-Giants fans from what I’ve gleaned from friends who aren’t Giants fans. Ramirez and Rolen are good players too, but when it comes to excitement level and the passion for and enjoyment of the game that he displays on a daily basis trumps the other two.
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
^ His people don’t know shit about apathy DB, don’t even give him attention. That is all he’s looking for with his little faggot comments. I’m sure he would have no problem killing one of his family member’s to get a head in life just like his people so he doesn’t understand someone being distraught about a “complete stranger” dieing.[/quote]
I really hope that by “his people” you aren’t referring to his ethnicity. That sort of talk has no place in this thread, or any other for that matter.
I’d also like to add that as much as I hold most of Rajraj’s comments and opinions in low regard (for the most part, but not entirely) he is clearly a huge baseball fan, and for that I begrudgingly respect him.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This whole argument started because it appeared to me Josh Hamilton was unaffected by the death which I thought was odd.
I realize the stupidity comment could be seen as insensitive did not mean to offend. This death is a tragic loss.[/quote]
Side note: I saw the postgame interview with Hamilton after the walkoff HR. Dude looked like he was one kitten sighting away from bawling his eyes out… definitely tearing up.
Not calling him a saint or anything - just take that for what its worth
[quote]therajraj wrote:
And do me a favour DB: In the future if this piece of shit Johnman makes comments about me do not quote him. I have him on ignore.[/quote]