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[quote]ramathorn wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
I guarantee Bonds can still hit .280 with 25+ homers and 80 RBI’s. [/quote]

Then why didn’t he his last two years with the team?[/quote]

He hit pretty close to that I think but I could be wrong. He was still getting walked a lot at that point otherwise he gets those numbers easy.[/quote]

I know, I’m just busting your balls. Don’t quote me, but I believe he hit 26 and 28 homers his last two years but he hit like .250 or .260 with about 50-60 RBIs.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
[/quote]

Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.

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Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3

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[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

Nice to read while I’m sitting on my couch rocking an orange Bonds player shirt.

He also built AT&T Park for us, and has volunteered to pay for Brian Stow’s kids to go to college:

Actions speak louder than words.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

Nice to read while I’m sitting on my couch rocking an orange Bonds player shirt.

He also built AT&T Park for us, and has volunteered to pay for Brian Stow’s kids to go to college:

Actions speak louder than words.[/quote]

That’s what’s up.

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[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

Nice to read while I’m sitting on my couch rocking an orange Bonds player shirt.

He also built AT&T Park for us, and has volunteered to pay for Brian Stow’s kids to go to college:

Actions speak louder than words.[/quote]

That’s what’s up.[/quote]

Giants rookie Brandon Crawford blasting a grand slam in his major league debut is also what’s up:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6602397&categoryid=2521705

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Description of the injury: San Francisco Giants' Buster Posey: 'Highly likely' season is over

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
[/quote]

Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown those exact names out - my point more was that to get a proven all-star caliber major league player you have to give up more than a prospect who hasn’t yet been out of A-ball (no matter if that prospect looks like Willie Mays). PROVEN players require more than a prospect in single A, period.

I’m not saying Cain isn’t awesome - I’m saying Reyes is too. Maybe Reyes plus a solid prospect for Cain gets it done. Or if the Mets are rebuilding, Reyes for Wheeler, one other solid prospect, and one other low level prospect/organizational guy.

All-star caliber shortstops do not grow on trees.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

Nice to read while I’m sitting on my couch rocking an orange Bonds player shirt.

He also built AT&T Park for us, and has volunteered to pay for Brian Stow’s kids to go to college:

Actions speak louder than words.[/quote]

That’s what’s up.[/quote]

Giants rookie Brandon Crawford blasting a grand slam in his major league debut is also what’s up:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6602397&categoryid=2521705[/quote]

Caught the replay on the local… all smiles!

Mountain View boy!

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[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

Nice to read while I’m sitting on my couch rocking an orange Bonds player shirt.

He also built AT&T Park for us, and has volunteered to pay for Brian Stow’s kids to go to college:

Actions speak louder than words.[/quote]

That’s what’s up.[/quote]

Giants rookie Brandon Crawford blasting a grand slam in his major league debut is also what’s up:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6602397&categoryid=2521705[/quote]

Caught the replay on the local… all smiles!

Mountain View boy![/quote]

Represent.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
[/quote]

Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown those exact names out - my point more was that to get a proven all-star caliber major league player you have to give up more than a prospect who hasn’t yet been out of A-ball (no matter if that prospect looks like Willie Mays). PROVEN players require more than a prospect in single A, period.

I’m not saying Cain isn’t awesome - I’m saying Reyes is too. Maybe Reyes plus a solid prospect for Cain gets it done. Or if the Mets are rebuilding, Reyes for Wheeler, one other solid prospect, and one other low level prospect/organizational guy.

All-star caliber shortstops do not grow on trees. [/quote]

So in other words, you’re saying that an organization’s top prospect and two good, young players off the Giants’ 25-man roster isn’t enough to land an All-Star SS? Because that’s exactly what I’m saying and you seem to be disagreeing with me.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
[/quote]

Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown those exact names out - my point more was that to get a proven all-star caliber major league player you have to give up more than a prospect who hasn’t yet been out of A-ball (no matter if that prospect looks like Willie Mays). PROVEN players require more than a prospect in single A, period.

I’m not saying Cain isn’t awesome - I’m saying Reyes is too. Maybe Reyes plus a solid prospect for Cain gets it done. Or if the Mets are rebuilding, Reyes for Wheeler, one other solid prospect, and one other low level prospect/organizational guy.

All-star caliber shortstops do not grow on trees. [/quote]

So in other words, you’re saying that an organization’s top prospect and two good, young players off the Giants’ 25-man roster isn’t enough to land an All-Star SS? Because that’s exactly what I’m saying and you seem to be disagreeing with me.[/quote]

In all seriousness, could I get bullet point highlights of this discussion?

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
[/quote]

Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown those exact names out - my point more was that to get a proven all-star caliber major league player you have to give up more than a prospect who hasn’t yet been out of A-ball (no matter if that prospect looks like Willie Mays). PROVEN players require more than a prospect in single A, period.

I’m not saying Cain isn’t awesome - I’m saying Reyes is too. Maybe Reyes plus a solid prospect for Cain gets it done. Or if the Mets are rebuilding, Reyes for Wheeler, one other solid prospect, and one other low level prospect/organizational guy.

All-star caliber shortstops do not grow on trees. [/quote]

So in other words, you’re saying that an organization’s top prospect and two good, young players off the Giants’ 25-man roster isn’t enough to land an All-Star SS? Because that’s exactly what I’m saying and you seem to be disagreeing with me.[/quote]

In all seriousness, could I get bullet point highlights of this discussion?[/quote]

-I stated that the Giants are virtually in a position where they HAVE to trade for Reyes for obvious reasons.

-sscj then asked what is there that the Giants have to offer.

-I posited that Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown, along with someone like Schierholtz and Runzler would be enough to get the deal done. I also added that I like Schierholtz’s game.

-sscj proceeded to harangue me for being “uncomfortable” with trading Schierholtz for Reyes, which I am 100% comfortable with.

-sscj then argued that Wheeler AND Bumgarner, or Cain a couple prospects, would be needed to get the deal done. He also went on to insinuate that Bumgarner isn’t the same pitcher he was in the minors. I should have referred him to Game 4 of the WS last October.

-Once I stopped laughing at the possibility of trading Wheeler and Bumgarner or Matt Cain and Wheeler for a rent-a-player whose owner’s jackass comments essentially just dropped the asking price on him, I informed sscj that his trade proposal was something only a drug-addled pedophile would think reasonable.

-sscj backtracked and then argued that it would take a top prospect, someone off the major league roster and a couple other prospects at least to get Reyes, which I laugh at.

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Can any of your team’s prospects do this?

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]ramathorn wrote:
Just another typical day of being a giants fan!!

DBCooper - wise words.

Whiteside can’t hit. He didn’t in the minors and won’t in the bigs. They need to get someone else. There are a few guys who they could trade for but none that contribute a ton. Just another typical day of being a giants fan.

I say stick with Whiteside for a bit and then trade for pudge in another month or so. I also am serious about Benjie Molina. I bet they contact him to see if he has any interest. His speed on the basepaths and athletic ability would be nice to have again. [/quote]

I think they’ll go after Pudge hard. There is literally no one available at catcher who can have any sort of impact aside from him, and his impact will be leadership and intangibles and not his actual performance at the plate or behind it.

I also think this injury puts the Giants in the position of HAVING to trade for Jose Reyes now, assuming the price is right. Although Tejada has picked it up considerably since the end of April, he isn’t the answer at SS or 3B for a team trying to defend a world title. He’d look good playing SS on the Pirates. The Giants NEED offense badly now, even if Sandoval continues to tear it up when he returns and Belt shows improvement.

Huff looks like a fucking aberration now, Schierholtz should be getting every start in right but he doesn’t out of some misguided attempt to placate Rowand and Burrell, neither of whom are worthy of anything other than a spot start every once in a while.[/quote]

Um, what do you guys have to trade for Reyes that won’t leave a hole somewhere else in your roster? There are plenty of teams that want a shortstop and have more to offer IMO.

Huff has made a career out of being inconsistent year-to-year, plus he’s 34. Too soon to he’s totally done, but it’s possible that he is.
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Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown would make a nice centerpiece of a trade that includes Dan Runzler and Nate Schierholtz. I hate to see Schierholtz go, but of all the outfielders they have, he’s the most expendable one that would actually look attractive to another team. Also, if the Giants are in it at the trade deadline and Reyes is still available, he won’t garner a high price anyways. Everybody’s going to lowball the Mets now that Wilpon has essentially come out and lowered his own asking price in that interview of his last week. It won’t take much to get Reyes at all now, especially when a lot of teams that are in it right now don’t need a shortstop so badly that they’d overpay for a rent-a-player.

As far as Zito goes, barring some sort of trade that shakes up the roster (or barring a trade in which some fool takes Zito and about 10 million bucks off the Giants’ hands), he’ll be put in the bullpen and Runzler will get sent down to the minors. He’ll be long reliever and hopefully he’ll flip out about it so much that he attacks several players and fans in a drunken, PCP-fueled rage, thereby voiding his contract and possibly even end up being shot and killed in a confrontation with the police that culminates in a wild shoot-out at the Caltrain Station on 4th and Townsend.[/quote]

I love when fans of a team propose a trade… really? You aren’t comfortable with giving up NATE SCHIERHOLTZ (career .314 OBP) for a shortstop who hits .290 with some pop and can steal 60 bases? If I were the Mets there is no way I make that trade.

I disagree about Wilpon’s comments having any effect on how much it will take to get Reyes. Like any trade, it will be the number of teams competing for him that determines how much he costs (Wilpon’s comments just make it known he’s available). If, for example, 4 teams are pushing for Reyes, they are worried about outbidding each other, not about how badly Wilpon wants to get rid of Reyes.

Edit: I’ll counter-propose Reyes for Bumgarner and Wheeler (one major-league player and one prospect, par for the course for a prime excellent player). I could see Giants fans disliking that, it depends on how you evaluate Bumgarner - by the standards he set as an insane prospect, or by his pro performance to date where he’s lost some velocity and his strikeout rates have dropped. Maybe I could see a swap based on Reyes for Cain, with the Mets throwing in something extra.[/quote]

Now you’re on drugs. Wheeler AND Bumgarner? Only in a sign-and-trade deal would that make even an iota of sense for the Giants. Personally, I don’t think trading for Reyes is worth it at all unless they feel it really gives them the inside track at signing him long-term. Cain for Reyes will NEVER happen and I really begin to doubt your credibility for bringing that up as a legitimate option. The same goes for Bumgarner AND Wheeler. As far as a drop in velocity goes, you must be watching different games than I do. He’s consistently in the mid to low 90’s, which is what he’s thrown around his entire professional career. His K rate may have dropped, but so has his walk rate. He’s always around the plate with good stuff from the left side and delivers said stuff with a bit of a funky delivery. Whatever struggles he’s having now are simply growing pains on his way to becoming a solid major league pitcher, much like Matt Cain.[/quote]

Maybe I shouldn’t have thrown those exact names out - my point more was that to get a proven all-star caliber major league player you have to give up more than a prospect who hasn’t yet been out of A-ball (no matter if that prospect looks like Willie Mays). PROVEN players require more than a prospect in single A, period.

I’m not saying Cain isn’t awesome - I’m saying Reyes is too. Maybe Reyes plus a solid prospect for Cain gets it done. Or if the Mets are rebuilding, Reyes for Wheeler, one other solid prospect, and one other low level prospect/organizational guy.

All-star caliber shortstops do not grow on trees. [/quote]

So in other words, you’re saying that an organization’s top prospect and two good, young players off the Giants’ 25-man roster isn’t enough to land an All-Star SS? Because that’s exactly what I’m saying and you seem to be disagreeing with me.[/quote]

In all seriousness, could I get bullet point highlights of this discussion?[/quote]

-I stated that the Giants are virtually in a position where they HAVE to trade for Reyes for obvious reasons.

-sscj then asked what is there that the Giants have to offer.

-I posited that Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown, along with someone like Schierholtz and Runzler would be enough to get the deal done. I also added that I like Schierholtz’s game.

-sscj proceeded to harangue me for being “uncomfortable” with trading Schierholtz for Reyes, which I am 100% comfortable with.

-sscj then argued that Wheeler AND Bumgarner, or Cain a couple prospects, would be needed to get the deal done. He also went on to insinuate that Bumgarner isn’t the same pitcher he was in the minors. I should have referred him to Game 4 of the WS last October.

-Once I stopped laughing at the possibility of trading Wheeler and Bumgarner or Matt Cain and Wheeler for a rent-a-player whose owner’s jackass comments essentially just dropped the asking price on him, I informed sscj that his trade proposal was something only a drug-addled pedophile would think reasonable.

-sscj backtracked and then argued that it would take a top prospect, someone off the major league roster and a couple other prospects at least to get Reyes, which I laugh at.[/quote]

I’m going to side completely with you on this one DB.

Mets are in the middle of a financial disaster, and they need to fire sale as many players as possible.

They’d be lucky to get Nate and Zach, and are in a very poor position to posture.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

-I stated that the Giants are virtually in a position where they HAVE to trade for Reyes for obvious reasons.

-sscj then asked what is there that the Giants have to offer.

-I posited that Zach Wheeler or Gary Brown, along with someone like Schierholtz and Runzler would be enough to get the deal done. I also added that I like Schierholtz’s game.

-sscj proceeded to harangue me for being “uncomfortable” with trading Schierholtz for Reyes, which I am 100% comfortable with.

-sscj then argued that Wheeler AND Bumgarner, or Cain a couple prospects, would be needed to get the deal done. He also went on to insinuate that Bumgarner isn’t the same pitcher he was in the minors. I should have referred him to Game 4 of the WS last October.

-Once I stopped laughing at the possibility of trading Wheeler and Bumgarner or Matt Cain and Wheeler for a rent-a-player whose owner’s jackass comments essentially just dropped the asking price on him, I informed sscj that his trade proposal was something only a drug-addled pedophile would think reasonable.

-sscj backtracked and then argued that it would take a top prospect, someone off the major league roster and a couple other prospects at least to get Reyes, which I laugh at.[/quote]

Not quite, you are either intentionally misuing my words or misunderstanding me - you can’t just say “organization’s top prospect” because that can mean a HUGE number of things. The top prospect in every organization is different. I think Reyes for, say, Eric Hosmer (before he came up) would be a lot different.

I know that in trades, teams much prefer a “top prospect” who is perfoming in AA or AAA over a guy who is still in A. Guys 2+ years from the majors are just not seen in the same light in terms of trade value by GMs, anyone with even a passing interest in baseball knows this.

Gary Brown is also pretty great example of a guy who is overrated by his own fan base. He isn’t on either of the top 100 lists I just checked (Keith Law at ESPN and Baseball America), and is a 3-star (average) prospect at Baseball Prospectus. He’s also a 22-yr old in High A ball. Sorry but he is not headlining a deal for Reyes even if you offered the Wilpons a free $100M dollar bill.

I don’t know why you think Reyes’s availability is what will determine what it takes to get him - it’s whatever the market offers. One thing I’ll say is I didn’t realize this was his club option year ( thoguht that was next year) so that diminishes his price, obviously he will only go for that high of a price if a team can get him to agree to an extension beforehand. If it’s truly a rent-a-player, you won’t need much more than Wheeler.

PS: When you first proposed it, you said “I’d hate to see Schierholtz go”… not that hard to misunderstand that the way I did. Frankly I don’t think many teams are in the market for a corner outfielder with a career .314 OBP though, so you are probably safe.

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Why does Roy Halladay have to pitch every damn Phils-Nats game I go to? I mean I like good baseball but I also like to see the home team score some runs sometimes.

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[quote]scj119 wrote:
Why does Roy Halladay have to pitch every damn Phils-Nats game I go to? I mean I like good baseball but I also like to see the home team score some runs sometimes.[/quote]

Sorry, thread full of Giants fans… no sympathy!

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[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

One of my college teammates told me when he was playing JC ball (probably 2004 or 5) he saw bonds at the gym one day, decided to go up to barry and said he could strike him out. Barry asked him what school he played at, my buddy told him the name of the his junior college and Bonds replied with “that’s not a F***ing college!”

Pretty funny story

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[quote]ramathorn wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:
Barry Bonds fan forever DGAF. THAT FUKKER hit home runs <3[/quote]

One of my college teammates told me when he was playing JC ball (probably 2004 or 5) he saw bonds at the gym one day, decided to go up to barry and said he could strike him out. Barry asked him what school he played at, my buddy told him the name of the his junior college and Bonds replied with “that’s not a F***ing college!”

Pretty funny story [/quote]

Lol. Like Barry Bonds would ever lift in the same gym as mere, steroid-free mortals. I think your friend just might be full of shit about that one.