And then come in here and ruin it for all of us? No way, asshole!
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So I’ve never been a huge baseball movie guy. Sitting down and spending 2 hours watching a schizophrenic claim he’s being told to build a baseball diamond has never really been my thing.
But I do want to see Moneyball. Moneyball Trailer 2011 HD - YouTube
I really hope Barry Zito is in the movie. I would love to see him portrayed on the silver screen after all the great things I’ve heard about him in this thread. heh.[/quote]
Barry Zito is a douche. He grew up in my hometown and has talked shit on the town in numerous interviews before. But then again, my hometown has notably produced other douches such as Brian and Marcus Giles.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I’m excited to see Moneyball as well. I may even read the book![/quote]
You know, if you look at who Beane has drafted and, more importantly, who he HASN’T drafted due to his “moneyball” philosophy (Prince Fielder), he has actually passed up on more talent than he’s taken. Plus, he’s made some trades that have turned out poorly (getting rid of Huston Street and Carlos Gonzalez for half a season of Holliday?).
Beane’s overrated as a GM. He’s made TOO many moves trying accumulate talent and picks and he’s ended up losing more than he’s gained in the long run.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So I’ve never been a huge baseball movie guy. Sitting down and spending 2 hours watching a schizophrenic claim he’s being told to build a baseball diamond has never really been my thing.
But I do want to see Moneyball. Moneyball Trailer 2011 HD - YouTube
I really hope Barry Zito is in the movie. I would love to see him portrayed on the silver screen after all the great things I’ve heard about him in this thread. heh.[/quote]
Barry Zito is a douche. He grew up in my hometown and has talked shit on the town in numerous interviews before. But then again, my hometown has notably produced other douches such as Brian and Marcus Giles. [/quote]
That sucks they’re from your hometown. I heard Brian Giles used to take batting practice under the stadium in the nude.
Every time I see Zito in any sort of candid moment, whether it’s him warming up in the outfield at a game or on TMZ or something like that he just screams DoucheBag to me.
It still looks like an interesting movie, though. I’m definitely going to go see it in the theater.
I always thought Zito had a Lincecum type personality. Both of them seem like total stoner hippies
Edit: Is he really a bad guy or just a bad player with an awful contract?
These athletes probably go through a 100+ ladies through their career. I bet Zito was heading to his house with these women to have a drug filled orgy on top of piles of money.
I’m reading about Zito now, the guy apparently use to tweet about all this expensive shit he would buy - expensive hair grooming products, going to overpriced restaurants, buying clothes whatever and it didn’t seem to bother him that he pitched so poorly.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
I’m excited to see Moneyball as well. I may even read the book![/quote]
You know, if you look at who Beane has drafted and, more importantly, who he HASN’T drafted due to his “moneyball” philosophy (Prince Fielder), he has actually passed up on more talent than he’s taken. Plus, he’s made some trades that have turned out poorly (getting rid of Huston Street and Carlos Gonzalez for half a season of Holliday?).
Beane’s overrated as a GM. He’s made TOO many moves trying accumulate talent and picks and he’s ended up losing more than he’s gained in the long run. [/quote]
Do you guys ever think about what your team would look like if your team’s GM chose to draft X player or Y player? I don’t mean the obvious ones where the GM passes up on stud and drafts a dud, but when the player he chooses AND the one he passes up on both end up being good.
For me, I’ve always wondered what the Jays would like if the previous GM didn’t pass up on Troy Tulowitzki in favour of Ricky Romero.
Ricky Romero is a great pitcher and could potentially become a top 5 pitcher in the AL but Tulowitzki is arguably the best SS in the game.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
These athletes probably go through a 100+ ladies through their career. I bet Zito was heading to his house with these women to have a drug filled orgy on top of piles of money.[/quote]
Bullshit. He was taking them back to his house to show them his stuffed animal collection and play some gay fucking folk music for them on his guitar.
Beane is one of, if not the most overrated GM’s in the game.
For any of you fantasy guys Brett Lawrie will probably be a good pickup until the end of the season.
In his first 97 plate appearances over 25 games his stats are:
.340/.392/.713 7 HR 20 RBI 4 SB 4 triples and 6 doubles
Even though it’s been roughly only 100 at bats, I have a feeling this guy will never have trouble hitting at the Major League level.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Beane is one of, if not the most overrated GM’s in the game.[/quote]
Beane is overrated but I think his system has merit. Epstein put together a WS team with it. With a much bigger bankroll though. I dont think the 04 sox had a huge payroll but they werent pinching pennies like Oakland does every year.
But yes, he is overrated. But I think he gets credit more for changing the game rather than being a great GM.
I mean his best As teams in what, 2000-2005?, were all pretty bad offensively. They were successful because Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were mowing people down.
Jesus Montero got called up today. Starting at DH against Lester tonight.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
For any of you fantasy guys Brett Lawrie will probably be a good pickup until the end of the season.
In his first 97 plate appearances over 25 games his stats are:
.340/.392/.713 7 HR 20 RBI 4 SB 4 triples and 6 doubles
Even though it’s been roughly only 100 at bats, I have a feeling this guy will never have trouble hitting at the Major League level.
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Got him on most of my teams. Kid’s good. You guys need some good pitching (besides Romero) now.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Beane is one of, if not the most overrated GM’s in the game.[/quote]
Beane is overrated but I think his system has merit. Epstein put together a WS team with it. With a much bigger bankroll though. I dont think the 04 sox had a huge payroll but they werent pinching pennies like Oakland does every year.
But yes, he is overrated. But I think he gets credit more for changing the game rather than being a great GM.
I mean his best As teams in what, 2000-2005?, were all pretty bad offensively. They were successful because Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were mowing people down. [/quote]
Actually, those teams were really good offensively. They had Giambi, Tejada, Jermaine Dye and Eric CHavez in the middle of the lineup, plus a younger Matt Stairs, Randy Velarde, Ray Durham, Eric Byrnes, David Justice, Johnny Damon and Ramon Hernandez behind the plate.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
For any of you fantasy guys Brett Lawrie will probably be a good pickup until the end of the season.
In his first 97 plate appearances over 25 games his stats are:
.340/.392/.713 7 HR 20 RBI 4 SB 4 triples and 6 doubles
Even though it’s been roughly only 100 at bats, I have a feeling this guy will never have trouble hitting at the Major League level.
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Got him on most of my teams. Kid’s good. You guys need some good pitching (besides Romero) now.[/quote]
Brandon Morrow will eventually become the best pitcher on the team, I know it’s hard to believe looking at his stats.
But the Jays need…
a) 1 more big bat (Prince Fielder perhaps?)
b) A good bullpen+closer. This isn’t actually that hard you can rebuild a bullpen pretty easily every year. The current bullpen leads the league in blown save opportunities.
c) Potentially another legit pitcher. the GM is currently over in Japan scouting Yu Darvish and there are quite a few good arms in the minor leagues.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Beane is one of, if not the most overrated GM’s in the game.[/quote]
Beane is overrated but I think his system has merit. Epstein put together a WS team with it. With a much bigger bankroll though. I dont think the 04 sox had a huge payroll but they werent pinching pennies like Oakland does every year.
But yes, he is overrated. But I think he gets credit more for changing the game rather than being a great GM.
I mean his best As teams in what, 2000-2005?, were all pretty bad offensively. They were successful because Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were mowing people down. [/quote]
Actually, those teams were really good offensively. They had Giambi, Tejada, Jermaine Dye and Eric CHavez in the middle of the lineup, plus a younger Matt Stairs, Randy Velarde, Ray Durham, Eric Byrnes, David Justice, Johnny Damon and Ramon Hernandez behind the plate.[/quote]
Not really good. A few MVPs but not crazy lineups. Not anemic by any means but Giambi was only there until 01. Tejada was the only force in the lineup for a while. And him Chavez were the only 100 rbi guys.
This is from a Yankee fan’s perspective, not a Giants fan. 
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
For any of you fantasy guys Brett Lawrie will probably be a good pickup until the end of the season.
In his first 97 plate appearances over 25 games his stats are:
.340/.392/.713 7 HR 20 RBI 4 SB 4 triples and 6 doubles
Even though it’s been roughly only 100 at bats, I have a feeling this guy will never have trouble hitting at the Major League level.
[/quote]
Got him on most of my teams. Kid’s good. You guys need some good pitching (besides Romero) now.[/quote]
Brandon Morrow will eventually become the best pitcher on the team, I know it’s hard to believe looking at his stats.
But the Jays need…
a) 1 more big bat (Prince Fielder perhaps?)
b) A good bullpen+closer. This isn’t actually that hard you can rebuild a bullpen pretty easily every year. The current bullpen leads the league in blown save opportunities.
c) Potentially another legit pitcher. the GM is currently over in Japan scouting Yu Darvish and there are quite a few good arms in the minor leagues.[/quote]
The blue jays need an ACE or two, first and foremost.
You cant do anything without a lockdown stud at the front end. The other things are obviously important but Fielder wont matter unless guys like Lind and Hill start producing. They play in the AL east. You need more than 2 legit hitters and group of 2 and 3 starters.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Beane is one of, if not the most overrated GM’s in the game.[/quote]
Beane is overrated but I think his system has merit. Epstein put together a WS team with it. With a much bigger bankroll though. I dont think the 04 sox had a huge payroll but they werent pinching pennies like Oakland does every year.
But yes, he is overrated. But I think he gets credit more for changing the game rather than being a great GM.
I mean his best As teams in what, 2000-2005?, were all pretty bad offensively. They were successful because Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were mowing people down. [/quote]
Actually, those teams were really good offensively. They had Giambi, Tejada, Jermaine Dye and Eric CHavez in the middle of the lineup, plus a younger Matt Stairs, Randy Velarde, Ray Durham, Eric Byrnes, David Justice, Johnny Damon and Ramon Hernandez behind the plate.[/quote]
Not really good. A few MVPs but not crazy lineups. Not anemic by any means but Giambi was only there until 01. Tejada was the only force in the lineup for a while. And him Chavez were the only 100 rbi guys.
This is from a Yankee fan’s perspective, not a Giants fan.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/[/quote]
Oakland’s best year was 2006. I agree their offense was never amazing, but at the same time it wasn’t shitty. You don’t need a Yankee’s type starting lineup in the Central.