Mitt, Winning Friends & Influencing Allies

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

I had also heard about his donating the inheritance to the alma mater, props to him. But we also all know that making cash and raising capital is fairly easy if you are part of a moneyed circle. Just like us mere mortals will raise capital from people that know us quite easily if we have a decent reputation, just the numbers differ. Also not his fault.
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So you are saying he had a better opportunity to create wealth because of various connections and I agree with you. But having an opportunity DOES NOT also give you the ability. There are plenty of people who actually did inherit wealth, unlike Romney, that actually blew it. Also let’s remember that Romney helped create wealth for a lot of people, not just himself, through Bain Capital. And I’ll take anyone who went out in the private sector and made himself 300 million dollars over a community organizer any day.

Obama actually hates what is needed to turn this contry around and that is B U S I N E S S growth. And we know that Romney not only has embraced it but understands it as well. [/quote]

I think I’ve pretty much agreed with almost all you have said here before on this thread. I don’t know if he can turn it the country around, but I do think a new approach is required (if he turns out to have a ‘new approach’ will only be evident if he’s elected and over time), because team obama is out of ideas and out of energy at this point,IMO. Even if I don’t agree with the Obama ‘hating’ anything that is good for the country. I don’t buy that, sound like partisan character assassination…
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I don’t hate Obama, I hate his policies. I actually pity Obama as he is a clueless ideologue who is bound by his core beliefs to constantly do the wrong thing![/quote]

I was referring to you saying he hates America. Do you really believe that?[/quote]

he said Obama hates business and he does. Read his books. Listen to his speeches.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

I had also heard about his donating the inheritance to the alma mater, props to him. But we also all know that making cash and raising capital is fairly easy if you are part of a moneyed circle. Just like us mere mortals will raise capital from people that know us quite easily if we have a decent reputation, just the numbers differ. Also not his fault.
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So you are saying he had a better opportunity to create wealth because of various connections and I agree with you. But having an opportunity DOES NOT also give you the ability. There are plenty of people who actually did inherit wealth, unlike Romney, that actually blew it. Also let’s remember that Romney helped create wealth for a lot of people, not just himself, through Bain Capital. And I’ll take anyone who went out in the private sector and made himself 300 million dollars over a community organizer any day.

Obama actually hates what is needed to turn this contry around and that is B U S I N E S S growth. And we know that Romney not only has embraced it but understands it as well. [/quote]

I think I’ve pretty much agreed with almost all you have said here before on this thread. I don’t know if he can turn it the country around, but I do think a new approach is required (if he turns out to have a ‘new approach’ will only be evident if he’s elected and over time), because team obama is out of ideas and out of energy at this point,IMO. Even if I don’t agree with the Obama ‘hating’ anything that is good for the country. I don’t buy that, sound like partisan character assassination…
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I don’t hate Obama, I hate his policies. I actually pity Obama as he is a clueless ideologue who is bound by his core beliefs to constantly do the wrong thing![/quote]

I was referring to you saying he hates America. Do you really believe that?[/quote]

he said Obama hates business and he does. Read his books. Listen to his speeches.[/quote]

My bad, you’re right.

I must’ve carried that over from something I read on another thread.

Apologies to ZEB for that mistake, and thanks for the correction.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
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My bad, you’re right.

I must’ve carried that over from something I read on another thread.

Apologies to ZEB for that mistake.[/quote]

What the hell has happened to T-Nation in my absence? An apology? :wink:

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
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My bad, you’re right.

I must’ve carried that over from something I read on another thread.

Apologies to ZEB for that mistake.[/quote]

What the hell has happened to T-Nation in my absence? An apology? ;)[/quote]

It’s become a kinder, gentler place. We credit Obama with this change.

Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

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Saying the President hates business is like saying Romney hates the Poor and Middle Class…

Both statements are ridiculous and are part of the vitriol in our Public Discourse.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Saying the President hates business is like saying Romney hates the Poor and Middle Class…

Both statements are ridiculous and are part of the vitriol in our Public Discourse.

Mufasa
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Then you have not read his books or listened to his speeches.

Obama sees business as something to to be used to further his goals of social justice. He hates business, competition and capitalism. He thinks resources could be better used if managed with top down methods, rather than free market. How can anyone dispute this?

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Saying the President hates business is like saying Romney hates the Poor and Middle Class…

Both statements are ridiculous and are part of the vitriol in our Public Discourse.

Mufasa
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Then you have not read his books or listened to his speeches.

Obama sees business as something to to be used to further his goals of social justice. He hates business, competition and capitalism. He thinks resources could be better used if managed with top down methods, rather than free market. How can anyone dispute this?
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I could JUST as easily say that Romney sees businesses merely as things to take-over; strip and sell off their valuable assets, and leave the rest to rot and rust in a community; outsource any jobs that remain; and pocket millions to then be sent to the Cayman Islands.

NEITHER statement is true of either man; and regardless as to how much it is said; it will not somehow make it true.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Saying the President hates business is like saying Romney hates the Poor and Middle Class…

Both statements are ridiculous and are part of the vitriol in our Public Discourse.

Mufasa
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Then you have not read his books or listened to his speeches.

Obama sees business as something to to be used to further his goals of social justice. He hates business, competition and capitalism. He thinks resources could be better used if managed with top down methods, rather than free market. How can anyone dispute this?
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I could JUST as easily say that Romney sees businesses merely as things to take-over; strip and sell off their valuable assets, and leave the rest to rot and rust in a community; outsource any jobs that remain; and pocket millions to then be sent to the Cayman Islands.

NEITHER statement is true of either man; and regardless as to how much it is said; it will not somehow make it true.

Mufasa

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He sees business as a way to make profit, by whatever legal means available.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Saying the President hates business is like saying Romney hates the Poor and Middle Class…

Both statements are ridiculous and are part of the vitriol in our Public Discourse.

Mufasa
[/quote]

Then you have not read his books or listened to his speeches.

Obama sees business as something to to be used to further his goals of social justice. He hates business, competition and capitalism. He thinks resources could be better used if managed with top down methods, rather than free market. How can anyone dispute this?
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I could JUST as easily say that Romney sees businesses merely as things to take-over; strip and sell off their valuable assets, and leave the rest to rot and rust in a community; outsource any jobs that remain; and pocket millions to then be sent to the Cayman Islands.

NEITHER statement is true of either man; and regardless as to how much it is said; it will not somehow make it true.

Mufasa

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He sees business as a way to make profit, by whatever legal means available.[/quote]

WHOA!

Is this Mitt channelling his inner “Malcolm X”?

Mufasa

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Mufasa,

Obama, has a far left wing ideology when it comes to business and just about everything else. You can extrapolate out of that anything that your psyche will allow you to accept.

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Right.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]Ya gotta start listenin man. He said “LEFT” =]

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]Ya gotta start listenin man. He said “LEFT” =]
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Turn right three times and you end up going left…

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]

It is “RIGHT” He had the most liberal voting record of any US Senator during the two years he actively served.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he’s a liberal?

What’s the big deal?

Is it a dirty word?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]

It is “RIGHT” He had the most liberal voting record of any US Senator during the two years he actively served.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he’s a liberal?

What’s the big deal?

Is it a dirty word?[/quote]

Communist is more appropriate. Obama’s mentor from the age of 9, Frank Marshall Davis(Communist Party number: 47544) joined the CPUSA during WWII and published Stalinist/Soviet propaganda and disinformation for decades. His FBI files reveal that he was considered one of the main assets of the KGB Rezident in Washington during the 50’s and 60’s. Davis was put on a list of people that the government could arrest automatically in the event of a war with the Soviet Union.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Mufasa,

Obama, has a far left wing ideology when it comes to business and just about everything else. You can extrapolate out of that anything that your psyche will allow you to accept. [/quote]

Oh Zeb , you silly boy , Obama is where most Republicans were 15 years ago. Eye roll :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]

It is “RIGHT” He had the most liberal voting record of any US Senator during the two years he actively served.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he’s a liberal?

What’s the big deal?

Is it a dirty word?[/quote]

The issue raised was NOT the President’s Political leanings…

What I disagree with is any suggestion that he hates both business and America.

Mufasa

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Right.[/quote]

It is “RIGHT” He had the most liberal voting record of any US Senator during the two years he actively served.

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that he’s a liberal?

What’s the big deal?

Is it a dirty word?[/quote]

Communist is more appropriate. Obama’s mentor from the age of 9, Frank Marshall Davis(Communist Party number: 47544) joined the CPUSA during WWII and published Stalinist/Soviet propaganda and disinformation for decades. His FBI files reveal that he was considered one of the main assets of the KGB Rezident in Washington during the 50’s and 60’s. Davis was put on a list of people that the government could arrest automatically in the event of a war with the Soviet Union.[/quote]He has been surrounded and influenced by radical communist anti American operatives his entire life including his recent past. Like yesterday. I for one KNEW what he meant when he kept telling us he was going to transform America. People like him despise the United Sates as founded. They view her as foundationally unjust and oppressive, but most of all, they view her celebration of individual/family liberty and responsibility as an intolerable impediment to GLOBAL equality. Personal liberty stands nose to nose with their utopian vision of a paradisaical communist planet earth with them at the helm. The diametric opposite of what this nation was designed to be. Any person who doesn’t recognize that is simply in denial. Or stupid. Or ignorant. I don’t know that I’ve met any truly stupid people during my now rather extended stay on this site and in these forums.

Listen folks. “Transformation” is the fundamental (a word he used constantly during the last campaign) change of what something presently is into something it has never been. He TOLD US he was going to do this. You take a 10 minute look into where he came from and therefore what he is and interpret that statement accordingly. I don’t how many people have told me how brilliant it was that I predicted this. (not just here) I beat my head on the wall. IT"S NOT BRILLIANT. It’s only slightly harder to see than 2+2 equaling 4 unless, as I say, one is either in denial, stupid or ignorant.

When a publicly known communist with a communist history filed with communist people on every side applies for the job of president. Why is it so tough to believe that what you are going to get IS communism. ESPECIALLY when said known communist TELLS you he’s going to transform your country? You don’t love a country you’ve made it your life’s mission to transform into the image of her enemies she fought a cold war with for 60 years. I guess this really does still need to be spelled out.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Mufasa,

Obama, has a far left wing ideology when it comes to business and just about everything else. You can extrapolate out of that anything that your psyche will allow you to accept. [/quote]

Oh Zeb , you silly boy , Obama is where most Republicans were 15 years ago. Eye roll :)[/quote]

Okay…I insist that you make sense from this point forward.