[quote]Alpha F wrote:
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Alpha F, I’d just like to say I love you. 
… I’d like to look you up and have a beer or something. I like your attitude and fire. I think you’re one of the few over there that “get it”.[/quote]
Thank you.
I am truly honored but I am now taken.
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
You could stick around and dance with me. I promise I’ll hold you close enough where you can feel my heart pounding.
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Not very respectful, Push.
I’d thought they were the same general nature.
However, it now seems fair to say you really didn’t mean anything by it.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Young versus old, push let all of us know if any of this lands in the ballpark of what you are talking about.
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4005.asp[/quote]
I didn’t read through everything on these links but yes you are on the right track if you want to find what some creationists view as evidence, not proof, of a young earth.
I will say that some creationists give credence to the “appearance of age” theory. Use the search function on the above sites and/or icr.org for an explanation.
The gist is if God created man, and the animals, and plants, i.e., all of biology, in a mature state as Genesis indicates it is not unreasonable to assume He created the geophysical, non-organic universe in a similar state.
This does not include fossils. What you see is what you get - billions of dead things laid down by water all over the earth. Science, whether coming from the creationist or uniformitarian/evolutionary mindset, establishes that fossils were indeed formed in this fashion. Creationists would argue that many were formed in a large scale catastrophic flood.
Evolutionists cannot argue they were not formed by heat and pressure after a rapid burial process of some kind with some type of flood being the likely culprit because…that is indeed how fossils are formed.
Fossils are NOT formed by life forms just “hanging around” after death out on the plains or in the mountains or in the crook of a jungle tree. They must be rapidly buried in order to be preserved and to where bacteria cannot consume and eliminate them.
Back to “appearance of age,” some would say this explains why light from distant stars was seen in the past and in the present because again the universe was created in a mature state. God placed the stars in the universe along with their photon beams “in place”.
[Edit: in all fairness one of the problems with this theory is the observation of things like supernovas)
Others point to theories about the varying speed of light or more specifically how it may seem to be slowing down with time.
One thing to remember is it is speculation NOT knowledge that everything we observe in the present has always been that way in the past. That would be a misstep or at the very least an assumption. Assumptions don’t carry the same weight as proof. (One example: dating methods.
If potassium CURRENTLY deteriorates into argon at an observable rate does that mean it always has and always will deteriorate at the same rate? If so, how can that be known?)
[Edit] How can anyone look into the distant, unobservable past and say, “I KNOW?”[/Edit]
However if you really want the creationist perspective you must do your homework as I mentioned. I am in no position to do a tanker load of typing when one can simply click their way all over the internet and read the words of people who are much better versed than me.[/quote]
are there any non-christian scientists who believe the earth is only 6-10,000 years old? or is it only those who have religious convictions?
serious question. the only information i have found is from christian websites. are there any rogue, non-christian scientists that believe the earth is young? any secular “young earth theories” that are not based on the bible? just curious…
I thought I took care in how I handled the quotes: not at all disingenuous. I did not make the quotation appear to be “within the same breath” or “almost within.” The first part is there for its having information that was relevant, or should have been, and which was known to you, or at least I thought it was.
The Entrepreneur thread? Now my memory is the one that isn’t making the immediate connection. 
This place is a den of iniquity and injustice, let me tell you.
[quote]metal.head wrote:
are there any non-christian scientists who believe the earth is only 6-10,000 years old? or is it only those who have religious convictions?
serious question. the only information i have found is from christian websites. are there any rogue, non-christian scientists that believe the earth is young? any secular “young earth theories” that are not based on the bible? just curious…[/quote]
You can’t find any YEC evidence in any reputable, peer-reviewed journals because there is a vast movement within the scientific community to suppress that information.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
This place is a den of iniquity and injustice, let me tell you.[/quote]
We’re just animals.
That’s all we are.
Even the Dutch guy that put me on Ignore knows it.[/quote]
You know, that’s a weird thing.
I don’t write posts to those on my ignore list. I actually ignore them.
I think the fellow you are referring to doesn’t have that concept quite exactly absorbed.
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
are there any non-christian scientists who believe the earth is only 6-10,000 years old? or is it only those who have religious convictions?
serious question. the only information i have found is from christian websites. are there any rogue, non-christian scientists that believe the earth is young? any secular “young earth theories” that are not based on the bible? just curious…[/quote]
You can’t find any YEC evidence in any reputable, peer-reviewed journals because there is a vast movement within the scientific community to suppress that information.[/quote]
i smell sarcasm
but is there any “that one secular scientist guy” out there, who is not religiously affiliated whatsoever, that believes in a YE? or is YE all christians who believe in biblical literal interpretation?
i actually googled the concept for a while, and found nothing.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
This place is a den of iniquity and injustice, let me tell you.[/quote]
We’re just animals.
That’s all we are.
Even the Dutch guy that put me on Ignore knows it.[/quote]
You know, that’s a weird thing.
I don’t write posts to those on my ignore list. I actually ignore them.
I think the fellow you are referring to doesn’t have that concept quite exactly absorbed.[/quote]
…he’s just in time-out, like you do with little children who are annoying. I also like to think he’s in the corner wearing a pointy “Dunce” hat, lol…
[quote]metal.head wrote:
[quote]anonym wrote:
[quote]metal.head wrote:
are there any non-christian scientists who believe the earth is only 6-10,000 years old? or is it only those who have religious convictions?
serious question. the only information i have found is from christian websites. are there any rogue, non-christian scientists that believe the earth is young? any secular “young earth theories” that are not based on the bible? just curious…[/quote]
You can’t find any YEC evidence in any reputable, peer-reviewed journals because there is a vast movement within the scientific community to suppress that information.[/quote]
i smell sarcasm
but is there any “that one secular scientist guy” out there, who is not religiously affiliated whatsoever, that believes in a YE? or is YE all christians who believe in biblical literal interpretation?
i actually googled the concept for a while, and found nothing.[/quote]
…no, there aren’t any. YEC is not science, but feeds of real science in an attempt to rape and distort it. Without actual science YEC wouldn’t even exist…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I don’t mind apologizing to her if she was/is offended though.[/quote]
No need as no offence taken.
I did understand it was in good nature.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
YEC is not science, but feeds of real science in an attempt to rape and distort it. Without actual science YEC wouldn’t even exist…
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That is a judgement.
A strong judgement.
I am not disputing whether you are right or wrong just pointing out an observation that this is the same “subjective evidence” of human behavior I witnessed in pious religious folk.
Is that proof you are just like the faithful?
Or is truth only objective observable facts?
Right, I said I wasn’t going to dance with any of you so I am back on my chair at the audience…