[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thats why christians dont join the armed forces or go to war. Thats why america, a nation comprised mostly of christians, doesn’t have the most wars for a country its age. Because christians disagree in peace.
Oh, wait, they disagree with other christians in peace. Others, they bomb. Gotcha.[/quote]
You have lost your mind. Democracy, a secular philosophy, has been the cause of our wars. Democracy against communism. Democracy against terrorism. Democracy against Saddam invading Kuwait. You’re flailing your arms and kicking around blindly at this point.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thats why christians dont join the armed forces or go to war. Thats why america, a nation comprised mostly of christians, doesn’t have the most wars for a country its age. Because christians disagree in peace.
Oh, wait, they disagree with other christians in peace. Others, they bomb. Gotcha.[/quote]
You have lost your mind. Democracy, a secular philosophy, has been the cause of our wars. Democracy against communism. Democracy against terrorism. Democracy against Saddam invading Kuwait. You’re flailing your arms and kicking around blindly at this point.
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Its hard to fight a war without soldiers. How many of those soldiers flying planes, steering boats, shooting guns, etc, were christians, do you think? Would a peace loving person do that? I dont think so.
So my statement stands, christians have only proven themselves interested in “disagreeing in peace” with each other.
You claim that those who do not follow your perfect book are going to eternal damnation. Ghandi is going to hell for not being christian.
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If you’re going to troll, you’re going to have to do a better job. You quote me. I will never judge that any person, for any reason, is going to hell. As a Christian I understand there are sins, and I can recognize that. I can understand that the gates are narrow, even. But, I make no judgment as to who goes to hell. So, you either quote me, showing that I’ve just lied, or you yourself stand as a liar. Don’t back-track on this, you’ve made a clear and serious charge.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thats why christians dont join the armed forces or go to war. Thats why america, a nation comprised mostly of christians, doesn’t have the most wars for a country its age. Because christians disagree in peace.
Oh, wait, they disagree with other christians in peace. Others, they bomb. Gotcha.[/quote]
You have lost your mind. Democracy, a secular philosophy, has been the cause of our wars. Democracy against communism. Democracy against terrorism. Democracy against Saddam invading Kuwait. You’re flailing your arms and kicking around blindly at this point.
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Its hard to fight a war without soldiers. How many of those soldiers flying planes, steering boats, shooting guns, etc, were christians, do you think? Would a peace loving person do that? I dont think so.
So my statement stands, christians have only proven themselves interested in “disagreeing in peace” with each other.[/quote]
So, wait, you think the wars the US has fought has been over, what, simple disagreements?
You claim that those who do not follow your perfect book are going to eternal damnation. Ghandi is going to hell for not being christian.
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If you’re going to troll, you’re going to have to do a better job. You quote me. I will never judge that any person, for any reason, is going to hell. As a Christian I understand there are sins, and I can recognize that. I can understand that the gates are narrow, even. But, I make no judgment as to who goes to hell. So, you either quote me, showing that I’ve just lied, or you yourself stand as a liar. Don’t back-track on this, you’ve made a clear and serious charge.
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LMAO!!
I like how Tirib says Ghandi is going to hell IN THIS THREAD, then when I use that as an example of things christians say, you get all uppity as though I put the words directly in your mouth.
Sorry bro, its true that “You christians” say things like that.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
More importantly: If the bible was perfect, there wouldnt be two versions. There would be one. The perfect one.[/quote]
What? Or, gee, there could be one perfect one, and more imperfect ones. Leave the atheistic arguments to someone else.
Forget the bible for a second. There could one true ‘thing,’ and many imperfect (though some might get very close) versions of that thing. Come on…[/quote]
Then the christians using the imperfect version have lost all legitmacy in saying that their bible is right because it says so and is perfect.
You claim that those who do not follow your perfect book are going to eternal damnation. Ghandi is going to hell for not being christian.
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If you’re going to troll, you’re going to have to do a better job. You quote me. I will never judge that any person, for any reason, is going to hell. As a Christian I understand there are sins, and I can recognize that. I can understand that the gates are narrow, even. But, I make no judgment as to who goes to hell. So, you either quote me, showing that I’ve just lied, or you yourself stand as a liar. Don’t back-track on this, you’ve made a clear and serious charge.
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LMAO!!
I like how Tirib says Ghandi is going to hell IN THIS THREAD, then when I use that as an example of things christians say, you get all uppity as though I put the words directly in your mouth.
Sorry bro, its true that “You christians” say things like that. [/quote]
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thats why christians dont join the armed forces or go to war. Thats why america, a nation comprised mostly of christians, doesn’t have the most wars for a country its age. Because christians disagree in peace.
Oh, wait, they disagree with other christians in peace. Others, they bomb. Gotcha.[/quote]
You have lost your mind. Democracy, a secular philosophy, has been the cause of our wars. Democracy against communism. Democracy against terrorism. Democracy against Saddam invading Kuwait. You’re flailing your arms and kicking around blindly at this point.
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Its hard to fight a war without soldiers. How many of those soldiers flying planes, steering boats, shooting guns, etc, were christians, do you think? Would a peace loving person do that? I dont think so.
So my statement stands, christians have only proven themselves interested in “disagreeing in peace” with each other.[/quote]
So, wait, you think the wars the US has fought has been over, what, simple disagreements?
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I think that christians go to war. Thats all.
But your right, I took what you said out of context. I’m sorry. back to the main issue?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
More importantly: If the bible was perfect, there wouldnt be two versions. There would be one. The perfect one.[/quote]
What? Or, gee, there could be one perfect one, and more imperfect ones. Leave the atheistic arguments to someone else.
Forget the bible for a second. There could one true ‘thing,’ and many imperfect (though some might get very close) versions of that thing. Come on…[/quote]
Then the christians using the imperfect version have lost all legitmacy in saying that their bible is right because it says so and is perfect.[/quote]
Hi, welcome to something we’ve been aware of–sectarian/denominational disagreement…
You claim that those who do not follow your perfect book are going to eternal damnation. Ghandi is going to hell for not being christian.
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If you’re going to troll, you’re going to have to do a better job. You quote me. I will never judge that any person, for any reason, is going to hell. As a Christian I understand there are sins, and I can recognize that. I can understand that the gates are narrow, even. But, I make no judgment as to who goes to hell. So, you either quote me, showing that I’ve just lied, or you yourself stand as a liar. Don’t back-track on this, you’ve made a clear and serious charge.
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LMAO!!
I like how Tirib says Ghandi is going to hell IN THIS THREAD, then when I use that as an example of things christians say, you get all uppity as though I put the words directly in your mouth.
Sorry bro, its true that “You christians” say things like that. [/quote]
Tirib can defend himself. You claimed I said it.
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“You” in that context meant christians. I’m sorry that wasn’t made clear.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
More importantly: If the bible was perfect, there wouldnt be two versions. There would be one. The perfect one.[/quote]
What? Or, gee, there could be one perfect one, and more imperfect ones. Leave the atheistic arguments to someone else.
Forget the bible for a second. There could one true ‘thing,’ and many imperfect (though some might get very close) versions of that thing. Come on…[/quote]
Then the christians using the imperfect version have lost all legitmacy in saying that their bible is right because it says so and is perfect.[/quote]
Hi, welcome to something we’ve been aware of–sectarian/denominational disagreement…
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Nice place.
Also grounds for my stance that neither are perfect and the circular tautological argument is bs and should be rejected.
I know some of this has probably been covered throughout this thread, and I’ve read a lot of it, but the bickering and pointless arguing tires me…
So do the christians participating in this thread believe we have evolved from single-celled organisms over a few billion years? And if so, why did God only reveal Himself as He did in the bible during that extremely microscopic interval of our history?
Also, if you guys could be kind enough to entertain another question sincerely and with an open mind: How would you feel if you found out there was no God and your life was essentially meaningless and the influence of all of your good works and sins would eventually die out into irrelevance? I know that you know that’s not true, but try to imagine that for me with as much conviction as you can to give me an answer.
Can you give me a general summary of what Christianity accepts as fact/what is metaphorical in the bible and the evolution of those differences, as well? I assume you see this evolution as a clearer understanding of what God revealed in the bible in the same way a child doesn’t always understand his father’s advice until he grows older?
One more if you’ll be so kind… as for the makeup of the bible: If everyone can agree that the bible (their version) is inerrant, then that means that over a period of time God revealed His Truth to a select group of people who recorded this Truth without fault. The fundamental difference lies in 1)the period of time this covers 2) who those people are. If God didn’t reveal which scriptures were the Truth, but it was instead determined by some form of church, does anyone think it’s possible that some of God’s Truth was omitted from the bible or that something was included which shouldn’t have been? If so, why do you think that, and what gives you conviction over your human beliefs in that sense compared to what someone else thinks does or doesn’t belong in the bible?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
More importantly: If the bible was perfect, there wouldnt be two versions. There would be one. The perfect one.[/quote]
What? Or, gee, there could be one perfect one, and more imperfect ones. Leave the atheistic arguments to someone else.
Forget the bible for a second. There could one true ‘thing,’ and many imperfect (though some might get very close) versions of that thing. Come on…[/quote]
Then the christians using the imperfect version have lost all legitmacy in saying that their bible is right because it says so and is perfect.[/quote]
Hi, welcome to something we’ve been aware of–sectarian/denominational disagreement…
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Nice place.
Also grounds for my stance that neither are perfect and the circular tautological argument is bs and should be rejected.[/quote]
No it isn’t. The only ‘grounds’ you have is that there is disagreement. That’s it.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
More importantly: If the bible was perfect, there wouldnt be two versions. There would be one. The perfect one.[/quote]
What? Or, gee, there could be one perfect one, and more imperfect ones. Leave the atheistic arguments to someone else.
Forget the bible for a second. There could one true ‘thing,’ and many imperfect (though some might get very close) versions of that thing. Come on…[/quote]
Then the christians using the imperfect version have lost all legitmacy in saying that their bible is right because it says so and is perfect.[/quote]
Hi, welcome to something we’ve been aware of–sectarian/denominational disagreement…
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Nice place.
Also grounds for my stance that neither are perfect and the circular tautological argument is bs and should be rejected.[/quote]
No it isn’t. The only ‘grounds’ you have is that there is disagreement. That’s it.
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Yes. The disagreement is the grounds. I thought that was clear.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So, sloth, which denomination of christianity actually uses the “right” version, do you think? And why?[/quote]
As to why, I’d rather not. Feel free to look through Catholic sites, but I foresee a sectarian 20 page debate I have no interest in starting. The history, the claims, the counterclaims would involve a whole lot more time than I’m willing to give on this forum. My protestant cousins can feel free to have a one sided debate over my offering of a Catholic bible. I’m just not going to put that kind of time into this forum, on one singular subject.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So, sloth, which denomination of christianity actually uses the “right” version, do you think? And why?[/quote]
As to why, I’d rather not. Feel free to look through Catholic sites, but I foresee a sectarian 20 page debate I have no interest in starting. The history, the claims, the counterclaims would involve a whole lot more time than I’m willing to give on this forum. My protestant cousins can feel free to have a one sided debate over my offering of a Catholic bible. I’m just not going to put that kind of time into this forum, on one singular subject.[/quote]