Hey wait. Fuck you.
Your “literal” translation uses the word water, REPEATEDLY. Now, when I call that to task, suddenly you want to play the “Well, um, they just mean liquid of some sort.”
If the bible is -word for word- infallible, there should be no need for creative interpretations such as “Well, by water they actually meant matter which includes water, and other liquids, and solids, and gasses, etc.”
So, is it water, or were they incorrect in calling it water?
Actually, the firmament IS a dome that does divide the waters into two. There’s no abuse of text. It’s a cosmological view reflective of the times.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Then you must damn your Deity more than mine. [/quote]
Why do you say that? My concept of a Deity that might possibly exist (and I’m saying one way or the other) doesn’t pretend to love humans yet makes all 6 billion of them live in some form of suffering because of something that two people did on the advice of a talking snake. Oh, I don’t damn your Deity - I just don’t believe your Deity exists.[/quote]
Come on Mike, it’ll sound just as ridiculous if you get it straight as it does in these misrepresentations. God doesn’t pretend or make anybody do anything. The 2 people and the snake thing is at least formally accurate LOL!!! That really does sound preposterous doesn’t it? LOL!!! If I didn’t believe it I’d never believe anybody else did either.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Actually, the firmament IS a dome that does divide the waters into two. There’s no abuse of text. It’s a cosmological view reflective of the times. [/quote]
Oh I love this part.
Even Christians can’t agree on how to interpret their “perfect” book.
Brings me to another point: How can a christian of one sect be ok with a christian of another sect which is substantially different?
Crucify me if I’m wrong, but don’t catholics use a bible with several books that don’t appear in the bibles used by other denominations of christianity?
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
No, it makes no logical sense that two groups are using a “perfect” book, even though the books are not identical.
But, Sloth, we cant take the perfectly reasonable view that the bible includes a dated, disproven understanding of the universe based on the limited capacity for exploration and observation of the people who wrote it.
The bible must be right in every way, so we must take an interpretation of the writing which redefines the text to match what we now know about the universe.
(Remember, if I flip heads, god showed me he exists, and if I flip tails, I’m a liar and wouldnt have posted it if I really flipped tails).
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Then you must damn your Deity more than mine. [/quote]
Why do you say that? My concept of a Deity that might possibly exist (and I’m saying one way or the other) doesn’t pretend to love humans yet makes all 6 billion of them live in some form of suffering because of something that two people did on the advice of a talking snake. Oh, I don’t damn your Deity - I just don’t believe your Deity exists.[/quote]
Because your concept of a Deity is completely indifferent to his creation. So while you might hate mine for asking for obedience to his law and what he judges right, in the end an offer of salvation is still present.
For your idea of a Deity, he doesn’t care. Rape could please your Deity no less or no more than loving thy neighbor. That’s fine if you hate mine (as a concept), but your concept is far worse.[/quote]
But as practical matter, whether there is an Abrahamic God, a Deistic God, or no God at all, the result is the same. Rapes still happen, and God allows evil. The explanation for this is that God does not wish to interfere with free will, and preventing a person from committing an evil act would be interfering with free will. I get that part. But as a practical matter, the result is that people do evil things to one another, and your God allows this to happen. I somehow doubt that the possibility of future retribution for the evildoer or the fact that all this is allowed in the name of free will brings much comfort to the victims of bad acts.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.
Because if the bible is wrong about anything, than we cant use the circular, tautological argument that “The bible is right because the bible says its right and the bible is right about everything because the bible is perfect and it says its perfect and it must be right because it’s always right…” Ad nausem.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Then you must damn your Deity more than mine. [/quote]
Why do you say that? My concept of a Deity that might possibly exist (and I’m saying one way or the other) doesn’t pretend to love humans yet makes all 6 billion of them live in some form of suffering because of something that two people did on the advice of a talking snake. Oh, I don’t damn your Deity - I just don’t believe your Deity exists.[/quote]
Because your concept of a Deity is completely indifferent to his creation. So while you might hate mine for asking for obedience to his law and what he judges right, in the end an offer of salvation is still present.
For your idea of a Deity, he doesn’t care. Rape could please your Deity no less or no more than loving thy neighbor. That’s fine if you hate mine (as a concept), but your concept is far worse.[/quote]
But as practical matter, whether there is an Abrahamic God, a Deistic God, or no God at all, the result is the same. Rapes still happen, and God allows evil. The explanation for this is that God does not wish to interfere with free will, and preventing a person from committing an evil act would be interfering with free will. I get that part. But as a practical matter, the result is that people do evil things to one another, and your God allows this to happen. I somehow doubt that the possibility of future retribution for the evildoer or the fact that all this is allowed in the name of free will brings much comfort to the victims of bad acts.[/quote]
No, it isn’t the same. Your Deistic God has no day of judgment. Vast, vast, vast—did I mention vast?–difference.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.[/quote]
Hey, I know this: If I believed in either bible, I’d be more pissed at the people parading around with a bastardized version of my perfect text, claiming theirs to be so, than the poor fools who didn’t believe at all.
Yet christians dont seem to care at all.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because if the bible is wrong about anything, than we cant use the circular, tautological argument that “The bible is right because the bible says its right and the bible is right about everything because the bible is perfect and it says its perfect and it must be right because it’s always right…” Ad nausem.
[/quote]
It is right.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.[/quote]
Hey, I know this: If I believed in either bible, I’d be more pissed at the people parading around with a bastardized version of my perfect text, claiming theirs to be so, than the poor fools who didn’t believe at all.
Yet christians dont seem to care at all. [/quote]
I’m sorry, are you disappointed we’re living closer to Christ these days, and not indulging in man’s sectarian warfare? We disagree in peace.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Yet christians dont seem to care at all. [/quote]
And, where the heck did you ever get this idea?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because if the bible is wrong about anything, than we cant use the circular, tautological argument that “The bible is right because the bible says its right and the bible is right about everything because the bible is perfect and it says its perfect and it must be right because it’s always right…” Ad nausem.
[/quote]
It is right. [/quote]
You can think so.
But at least be honest enough to admit that you think so because you choose to. Or that your subjective belief is based on your own subjective experience.
Don’t try to push on me the idea that the bible is impeccable in every way, and stands as its own source of proof, and that I’m somehow stupid for not seeing it that way. Don’t pretend objectivity.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.[/quote]
Hey, I know this: If I believed in either bible, I’d be more pissed at the people parading around with a bastardized version of my perfect text, claiming theirs to be so, than the poor fools who didn’t believe at all.
Yet christians dont seem to care at all. [/quote]
I’m sorry, are you disappointed we’re living closer to Christ these days, and not indulging in man’s sectarian warfare? We disagree in peace.
[/quote]
LMAO
Sure. You disagree in peace. Christians. Peaceful. Good one.
Thats why christians dont join the armed forces or go to war. Thats why america, a nation comprised mostly of christians, doesn’t have the most wars for a country its age. Because christians disagree in peace.
Oh, wait, they disagree with other christians in peace. Others, they bomb. Gotcha.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Don’t try to push on me the idea that the bible is impeccable in every way…[/quote]
Push on you? Perhaps you’d like to get of my face, and you wouldn’t have to hear my beliefs? Or, did you show up to be heard, thinking the Christians were here to lambasted by you, without their uttering a word? Push on you? Get the heck out of the thread! You clicked it, you joined the conversation, etc. etc. You made a choice.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.[/quote]
Hey, I know this: If I believed in either bible, I’d be more pissed at the people parading around with a bastardized version of my perfect text, claiming theirs to be so, than the poor fools who didn’t believe at all.
Yet christians dont seem to care at all. [/quote]
I’m sorry, are you disappointed we’re living closer to Christ these days, and not indulging in man’s sectarian warfare? We disagree in peace.
[/quote]
LMAO
Sure. You disagree in peace. Christians. Peaceful. Good one.[/quote]
Ok…So you go from taunting us because we can abide each other’s differences…to this. You’re trolling at this point.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Don’t try to push on me the idea that the bible is impeccable in every way…[/quote]
Push on you? Perhaps you’d like to get of my face, and you wouldn’t have to hear my beliefs? Or, did you show up to be heard, thinking the Christians were here to lambasted by you, without their uttering a word? Push on you? Get the heck out of the thread! You clicked it, you joined the conversation, etc. etc. You made a choice.[/quote]
LMAO!!
Man. I’m liking abusing this LMAO!! thing.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If the bible the catholics use is perfect, then the bible the others use is imperfect for its omissions. If the bible the others use is perfect, then the ones catholics are using is imperfect for its additions.
[/quote]
You just figure this out? I mean, fella, you don’t have to point out the sectarian fissures to us. That’s why we have refer to these things we like to call ‘denominations.’ Christians have been aware of this long before you or I were born.[/quote]
Hey, I know this: If I believed in either bible, I’d be more pissed at the people parading around with a bastardized version of my perfect text, claiming theirs to be so, than the poor fools who didn’t believe at all.
Yet christians dont seem to care at all. [/quote]
I’m sorry, are you disappointed we’re living closer to Christ these days, and not indulging in man’s sectarian warfare? We disagree in peace.
[/quote]
LMAO
Sure. You disagree in peace. Christians. Peaceful. Good one.[/quote]
Ok…So you go from taunting us because we can abide each other’s differences…to this. You’re trolling at this point.[/quote]
Wasn’t taunting, was pointing out a lack of consistency.
You claim that those who do not follow your perfect book are going to eternal damnation. Ghandi is going to hell for not being christian.
Yet you dont apply these rules to other christians who are not using your exact same book.
Or do catholics believe the rest are going to hell, and vice versa? At least that would be consistent.