[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<<…and yet: [/quote]
Interesting you bring something like this up. Here is a post of mine from the Trinity thread about a month ago.
Tiribulus wrote:
[i]<<< Try this:
Take a paper plate and about an inch or so from the edge somewhere make the smallest dot you can with a pencil. The plate represents our galaxy and the dot our solar system. In the middle of our solar system is a flaming ball of gas that emits more energy in one second than every possible man made source in history combined to date.
It is so far away that it takes 13 minutes for it’s light to reach your skin traveling 186,000 miles a second and we are pretty close compared to some of the other planets. That’s one solar system, one dot, in one galaxy, one paper plate.
Now go throw the plate into the middle of the pacific ocean and as it floats there realize that the ocean represents… maybe, what we’ve been able to measure of the universe.
Imagine millions of other paper plates floating around representing millions of other galaxies. Throw in super massive black holes, dark matter (there’s a REAL zinger there) and the rest of the astronomical phenomena that have us staring cross eyed into our equipment. And all this barely scratches the surface.
There is a God who spoke this into existence FROM NOTHING by the command of his mouth… whatever that means. That God, whose mind numbing unfathomable holy power and majesty would consume you (or me) in a nanosecond if He were approached apart from the death defeating resurrected Christ, has chosen to reveal himself to the only part of all of that creation that exists in his intelligent moral image… in a book.
You just keep right on sinfully attempting to fit him into your puny pathetic little mind (mine too) and you will keep right on coming to sinful idolatrous conclusions. You have ZEEROH understanding of even what little of Him can be understood at all by His chosen revelation and yet you continue to proclaim your ability to understand Him fully.
I repeat. Repent of this blasphemy and believe the Gospel. >>>[/i]
Yes, temporally we appear pretty insignificant which makes the gospel of Christ all the more glorious.
[quote]ron22 wrote:
Another misconception I’ve heard/noticed is that science and Christianity can’t get along. The farther along I am into getting my MD has only helped to solidify my faith.
There’s just so much going on in such intricate and perfect order that it’s hard for me to think that life happend by chance. I love this quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson: “All I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I have not seen.”[/quote]
And Adam made Eve from a rib.
Yeah Right… Makes perfect sense to me now!!
A dead man, somehow came to life after a couple of days. WOW dude!! back in the day! they had the best revival system ever!!
uhu… sure…
Why do people grow tumors? Why are there congenital enzyme deficiencies and many many other diseases when “the omnipotent omniscient skydaddy” created us?
Why didn’t “The LORRRRDDA” make our immunesystem better if he KNEW IN ADVANCE that AIDS would “fuck” us? Why did he create that virus?
Why did he create HOMOSEEEEXXUUUAAALllIYAH???
I am insulted. I am a medical student too, and I an insulted that such superstitious stupidass people can do the same. Now I don’t feel very intelligent anymore. 
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The 2,000 threads about christianity just ain’t enough huh?[/quote]
There can never be enough.
I’m still trying to figure out why dying a horrible death on a cross is some admirable thing. Dying for the sins of strangers? Fuck 'em! They made their choices. Why let 'em off the hook?
Unselfishness, especially for random evil strangers, is wrong. It is especially NOT moral.
[/quote]
The HIGHTH of altruism
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<<…and yet: [/quote]
Interesting you bring something like this up. Here is a post of mine from the Trinity thread about a month ago.
Tiribulus wrote:
[i]<<< Try this:
Take a paper plate and about an inch or so from the edge somewhere make the smallest dot you can with a pencil. The plate represents our galaxy and the dot our solar system. In the middle of our solar system is a flaming ball of gas that emits more energy in one second than every possible man made source in history combined to date.
It is so far away that it takes 13 minutes for it’s light to reach your skin traveling 186,000 miles a second and we are pretty close compared to some of the other planets. That’s one solar system, one dot, in one galaxy, one paper plate.
Now go throw the plate into the middle of the pacific ocean and as it floats there realize that the ocean represents… maybe, what we’ve been able to measure of the universe.
Imagine millions of other paper plates floating around representing millions of other galaxies. Throw in super massive black holes, dark matter (there’s a REAL zinger there) and the rest of the astronomical phenomena that have us staring cross eyed into our equipment. And all this barely scratches the surface.
There is a God who spoke this into existence FROM NOTHING by the command of his mouth… whatever that means. That God, whose mind numbing unfathomable holy power and majesty would consume you (or me) in a nanosecond if He were approached apart from the death defeating resurrected Christ, has chosen to reveal himself to the only part of all of that creation that exists in his intelligent moral image… in a book.
You just keep right on sinfully attempting to fit him into your puny pathetic little mind (mine too) and you will keep right on coming to sinful idolatrous conclusions. You have ZEEROH understanding of even what little of Him can be understood at all by His chosen revelation and yet you continue to proclaim your ability to understand Him fully.
I repeat. Repent of this blasphemy and believe the Gospel. >>>[/i]
Yes, temporally we appear pretty insignificant which makes the gospel of Christ all the more glorious.
[/quote]
…but because you believe in this god he favors you?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?[/quote]
…i think that the invention of god and religion comes from the inability to accept ones own insignificance of being, and the ultimate futility of existing…
[quote]Erasmus wrote:
[quote]ron22 wrote:
Another misconception I’ve heard/noticed is that science and Christianity can’t get along. The farther along I am into getting my MD has only helped to solidify my faith.
There’s just so much going on in such intricate and perfect order that it’s hard for me to think that life happend by chance. I love this quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson: “All I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I have not seen.”[/quote]
And Adam made Eve from a rib.
Yeah Right… Makes perfect sense to me now!!
A dead man, somehow came to life after a couple of days. WOW dude!! back in the day! they had the best revival system ever!!
uhu… sure…
Why do people grow tumors? Why are there congenital enzyme deficiencies and many many other diseases when “the omnipotent omniscient skydaddy” created us?
Why didn’t “The LORRRRDDA” make our immunesystem better if he KNEW IN ADVANCE that AIDS would “fuck” us? Why did he create that virus?
Why did he create HOMOSEEEEXXUUUAAALllIYAH???
I am insulted. I am a medical student too, and I an insulted that such superstitious stupidass people can do the same. Now I don’t feel very intelligent anymore. ;)[/quote]
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<<…and yet: [/quote]
Interesting you bring something like this up. Here is a post of mine from the Trinity thread about a month ago.
Tiribulus wrote:
[i]<<< Try this:
Take a paper plate and about an inch or so from the edge somewhere make the smallest dot you can with a pencil. The plate represents our galaxy and the dot our solar system. In the middle of our solar system is a flaming ball of gas that emits more energy in one second than every possible man made source in history combined to date.
It is so far away that it takes 13 minutes for it’s light to reach your skin traveling 186,000 miles a second and we are pretty close compared to some of the other planets. That’s one solar system, one dot, in one galaxy, one paper plate.
Now go throw the plate into the middle of the pacific ocean and as it floats there realize that the ocean represents… maybe, what we’ve been able to measure of the universe.
Imagine millions of other paper plates floating around representing millions of other galaxies. Throw in super massive black holes, dark matter (there’s a REAL zinger there) and the rest of the astronomical phenomena that have us staring cross eyed into our equipment. And all this barely scratches the surface.
There is a God who spoke this into existence FROM NOTHING by the command of his mouth… whatever that means. That God, whose mind numbing unfathomable holy power and majesty would consume you (or me) in a nanosecond if He were approached apart from the death defeating resurrected Christ, has chosen to reveal himself to the only part of all of that creation that exists in his intelligent moral image… in a book.
You just keep right on sinfully attempting to fit him into your puny pathetic little mind (mine too) and you will keep right on coming to sinful idolatrous conclusions. You have ZEEROH understanding of even what little of Him can be understood at all by His chosen revelation and yet you continue to proclaim your ability to understand Him fully.
I repeat. Repent of this blasphemy and believe the Gospel. >>>[/i]
Yes, temporally we appear pretty insignificant which makes the gospel of Christ all the more glorious.
[/quote]
…but because you believe in this god he favors you?
[/quote]
I’ll let Tirib fight his own battle, I’ll comment here for myself. Because, I believe and do His bidding He favors me.
…how does that make you feel?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?[/quote]
…i think that the invention of god and religion comes from the inability to accept ones own insignificance of being, and the ultimate futility of existing…
[/quote]
Well, you’re fortunate. Though you may know a great many religious folks, you’re still free to feel as if your existence is completely futile.
Now, is sharing your view just a way to kill time until your escape from the futility of your life? Because, if your very existence is–self-admittedly-futile, then we must accept that even you yourself believe that your opinions are an exercise in futility.
If that’s the case, why should we bother considering what you have to say? Your very existence is futile, therefore, everything (thought, word, or deed) originating from you is, by extension of your futility. So, why should anyone here entertain thoughts of which the thinker himself has deemed futile?
After all, you’ve told in advance how you believe others should perceive you. However, if that isn’t the case, and you feel you add something worthwhile and necessary, then your futile existence is no longer such.
“Life if futile. I have no meaning. So, guys, you want to hear my thoughts on a number of issues?”
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?[/quote]
…i think that the invention of god and religion comes from the inability to accept ones own insignificance of being, and the ultimate futility of existing…
[/quote]
Inability to accept one’s own insignificance of being?
Well, if that was the case, the Church is doing it wrong. She constantly teaches her followers that they are insignificant and they need to be humble and squash our pride. We do not explain our futility of existing, heck it is in our first book. “You are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Pretty blunt, I think you have some misconceptions as well.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…how does that make you feel?[/quote]
Joy.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?[/quote]
…i think that the invention of god and religion comes from the inability to accept ones own insignificance of being, and the ultimate futility of existing…
[/quote]
Inability to accept one’s own insignificance of being?
Well, if that was the case, the Church is doing it wrong. She constantly teaches her followers that they are insignificant and they need to be humble and squash our pride. We do not explain our futility of existing, heck it is in our first book. “You are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Pretty blunt, I think you have some misconceptions as well.[/quote]
…is that why there are “Chosen Peoples”? A one true God? That following one religion makes you special and bound for heaven?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…how does that make you feel?[/quote]
Joy.[/quote]
…thus religion serves its purpose…
[quote]Sloth wrote:Well, you’re fortunate. Though you may know a great many religious folks, you’re still free to feel as if your existence is completely futile.
Now, is sharing your view just a way to kill time until your escape from the futility of your life? Because, if your very existence is–self-admittedly-futile, then we must accept that even you yourself believe that your opinions are an exercise in futility. If that’s the case, why should we bother considering what you have to say? Your very existence is futile, therefore, everything (thought, word, or deed) originating from you is, by extension, pure futility.
So, why should anyone here entertain thoughts, of which the thinker himself has deemed, futile? After all, you’ve informed us in advance how you wish to be perceived. Futile. However, if that isn’t the case, and you feel you add something worthwhile and necessary, then your futile existence is no longer such.
“Life if futile. I have no meaning. So, guys, you want to hear my thoughts on a number of issues?”[/quote]
…it does not matter to me how you perceive me Sloth, that much should’ve been clear by now?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:Well, you’re fortunate. Though you may know a great many religious folks, you’re still free to feel as if your existence is completely futile.
Now, is sharing your view just a way to kill time until your escape from the futility of your life? Because, if your very existence is–self-admittedly-futile, then we must accept that even you yourself believe that your opinions are an exercise in futility.
If that’s the case, why should we bother considering what you have to say? Your very existence is futile, therefore, everything (thought, word, or deed) originating from you is, by extension, pure futility. So, why should anyone here entertain thoughts, of which the thinker himself has deemed, futile?
After all, you’ve informed us in advance how you wish to be perceived. Futile. However, if that isn’t the case, and you feel you add something worthwhile and necessary, then your futile existence is no longer such.
“Life if futile. I have no meaning. So, guys, you want to hear my thoughts on a number of issues?”[/quote]
…it does not matter to me how you perceive me Sloth, that much should’ve been clear by now?[/quote]
That’s my point exactly. You view yourself, your very existence, as futile. Therefore, you mustn’t expect us to feel otherwise. If anything, it would be rude on our part to treat you any other way but as insignificant. So you are futile. Your views and arguments are futile. How you–and your arguments–are perceived are futile. So, why?
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…an Asimov classic: The Last Question The Last Question -- Isaac Asimov [/quote]
Well isn’t that cute.[/quote]
…to me it’s a scenario that’s just as good as any other. Perhaps even better than some…
[/quote]
Except the Multivac-Cosmic AC, was created. God is the uncreated. :)[/quote]
…and yet:
[/quote]
Red Herring, what is your point?[/quote]
…i think that the invention of god and religion comes from the inability to accept ones own insignificance of being, and the ultimate futility of existing…
[/quote]
Inability to accept one’s own insignificance of being?
Well, if that was the case, the Church is doing it wrong. She constantly teaches her followers that they are insignificant and they need to be humble and squash our pride. We do not explain our futility of existing, heck it is in our first book. “You are dust, and to dust you shall return.” Pretty blunt, I think you have some misconceptions as well.[/quote]
…is that why there are “Chosen Peoples”? A one true God? That following one religion makes you special and bound for heaven?
[/quote]
Red Herring, how does my insignificance have anything to do with following what God asks of me and there being only one true God? (Actually there is several ways to get to Heaven, not just following the Catholic Religion, but I do not want to confuse that misconception with this misconception).
[quote]Erasmus wrote:
[quote]ron22 wrote:
Another misconception I’ve heard/noticed is that science and Christianity can’t get along. The farther along I am into getting my MD has only helped to solidify my faith.
There’s just so much going on in such intricate and perfect order that it’s hard for me to think that life happend by chance. I love this quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson: “All I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I have not seen.”[/quote]
And Adam made Eve from a rib.
Yeah Right… Makes perfect sense to me now!!
A dead man, somehow came to life after a couple of days. WOW dude!! back in the day! they had the best revival system ever!!
uhu… sure…
Why do people grow tumors? Why are there congenital enzyme deficiencies and many many other diseases when “the omnipotent omniscient skydaddy” created us?
Why didn’t “The LORRRRDDA” make our immunesystem better if he KNEW IN ADVANCE that AIDS would “fuck” us? Why did he create that virus?
Why did he create HOMOSEEEEXXUUUAAALllIYAH???
I am insulted. I am a medical student too, and I an insulted that such superstitious stupidass people can do the same. Now I don’t feel very intelligent anymore. ;)[/quote]
It’s ok. You probably are way more intelligent than me anyway…being from Holland and all…
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
…how does that make you feel?[/quote]
Joy.[/quote]
…thus religion serves its purpose…[/quote]
My religion’s purpose is to guide me in my life and show me the path to the Kingdom of God. Being joyful is a side effect, not a religions purpose.
[quote]ephrem wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]ephrem wrote:
<<<…and yet: [/quote]
Interesting you bring something like this up. Here is a post of mine from the Trinity thread about a month ago.
Tiribulus wrote:
[i]<<< Try this:
Take a paper plate and about an inch or so from the edge somewhere make the smallest dot you can with a pencil. The plate represents our galaxy and the dot our solar system. In the middle of our solar system is a flaming ball of gas that emits more energy in one second than every possible man made source in history combined to date.
It is so far away that it takes 13 minutes for it’s light to reach your skin traveling 186,000 miles a second and we are pretty close compared to some of the other planets. That’s one solar system, one dot, in one galaxy, one paper plate.
Now go throw the plate into the middle of the pacific ocean and as it floats there realize that the ocean represents… maybe, what we’ve been able to measure of the universe.
Imagine millions of other paper plates floating around representing millions of other galaxies. Throw in super massive black holes, dark matter (there’s a REAL zinger there) and the rest of the astronomical phenomena that have us staring cross eyed into our equipment. And all this barely scratches the surface.
There is a God who spoke this into existence FROM NOTHING by the command of his mouth… whatever that means. That God, whose mind numbing unfathomable holy power and majesty would consume you (or me) in a nanosecond if He were approached apart from the death defeating resurrected Christ, has chosen to reveal himself to the only part of all of that creation that exists in his intelligent moral image… in a book.
You just keep right on sinfully attempting to fit him into your puny pathetic little mind (mine too) and you will keep right on coming to sinful idolatrous conclusions. You have ZEEROH understanding of even what little of Him can be understood at all by His chosen revelation and yet you continue to proclaim your ability to understand Him fully.
I repeat. Repent of this blasphemy and believe the Gospel. >>>[/i]
Yes, temporally we appear pretty insignificant which makes the gospel of Christ all the more glorious.
[/quote]
…but because you believe in this god he favors you?
[/quote]
I believe in Him because He “favored” me, to use your word. I have not, even in the bible, and may never be given a reason for His favor. You can rest utterly assured that it had nothing to do with my being better or smarter than anybody else.
In my BC days I took up space and squandered every precious moment of life groping for new and innovative ways to serve myself. I was not in any way seeking to become a Christian when I did. God orders everyTHING and everyONE to His own glory by His own definition of what that means.
He neither consults with nor conforms to any standard beyond Himself. The scorn of unbelievers and the praise of His saints are equally made to exalt Him. One displays His holy justice, the other His merciful grace.
There are plenty of questions that I am not given specific answers to. That I know there ARE answers sufficient to Him is the very definition of faith. I refuse to probe the depths of His unknowable being or providence any further than He has chosen to reveal as only sinful folly can result from such insolent presumption.
I prefer to marvel in awe at the fact that He reveals Himself to a rebellious evil creation at all.
Believe me my friend, lol. I know EXACTLY how insanely idiotic that sounds to you.