“…And so, now will you answer the question, do you condemn these people whom believe differently, but still love God in what ever form that would take?”
It is not for me to condemn. I have given you my interpretation of the Holy Scriptures from my studies of said scriptures and through the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Truth will stand in the end.
With love, gentleness, patience, and meekness…
MARANATHA
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Wait your name is Marantha?
One day, we’ll get blacksheep to a thousand posts, I’ll stay up for a whole year if I have to!
[quote]Sloth wrote:
If one can’t accept inspired dogma and tradition, one might also want to put that bible away. It’s very existence is only possible through the same claim of inspired authority. To use the bible to say, “nuh-uh that word/action is not specifically in there, therefore, it’s bunk,” is silly. The bible isn’t the starting point. The Church is. The bible was not the vehicle for bringing the Church or the faith into existence. But the authority of the church was the vehicle for bringing the bible into existence. It is not/was not the other way around. Christ did not leave a bible upon his death on the cross. He left a church and a minesterial priesthood. Through this, you got your bible. Through this we got the bible AND what you’ve spat on and tossed away. Here in this thread I see Holy scripture being turned into an actual idol.
So while some American Protestants (evangelicals) here may say a pledge to a flag/nation, visit an immense statue of Lincoln, treat the constitution as if was NT scripture and the national anthem as if was straight out of psalms, or even state on behalf of God that this nation was blessed by ‘divine providence,’ it’s us that are the idolators. Come home to Rome, we’ve got punch and cookies at the reception desk.[/quote]
And be nice to the Swiss Guard, they got pokey sticks if you get too close to a certain Father.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Psst. (whispering) I’ll let ya in on a little secret. I would love nothing more than for there to be one true holy and apostolic church if it were up to me. Believe that my friend. If there ever was going to one however it could NOT be this one in anything like it’s present state. After you answer this post. I’ll tell you something else that may surprise you.[/quote]
THIS
Well kinda, we never said we are perfect, and I’m not sure if you are saying the dogmas or what, but this is kind of the equivalent of saying the reason I don’t go to Church is because of the hyprocrits. As Zig Ziggler said, “If the reason you don’t go to Church is because of hyprocrites, that just means that hyprocrite is just a little closer to God.”
All kidding aside, we never ask anyone to say we are perfect. We aren’t, however the gifts given to us from God are. And they are only in the Catholic Church, that is why we welcome all to the Catholic Church.
I have another funny.
Catholicism is a monkey house, Protestantism is a zoo. Iâ??m not totally sure where to go with this one, but you just have to hang out in a Catholic parish for a while to discover that we are a wacky bunch. Protestants probably have their share of wacky, though they seem pretty straitlaced to me. But one thing you can say about Protestants: Theyâ??ve got every animal in the known world, and all in separate cages.
Another:
Catholic is chess, Protestant is checkers. Catholic means messy, complex, ambiguous; it is as wild and weird as a Gothic cathedral crawling with gargoyles. Protestant is a one-way road to heaven: do not pass Rome, do not collect $200 in indulgences; it is straight as a New England church spire. In checkers, movement is only along diagonals and the end game is total destruction of the enemy force. In chess, movement is every which way, and checkmate is an elegant resolution of conflict in which the king resigns, he is not exterminated. Chess has knights and bishops, checkers only kings.
And Another:
Catholicism is Popeye, Protestantism Bluto. Letâ??s face it: Whatever Lutherâ??s original intent, in the final analysis the Protestant Reformation was a Rebellion, a Revolt, and not a Reformation, as Ferde loves pointing out. The Reformation, which was needed, took shape at the Council of Trent and remains a work in progress. Meanwhile, Protestantsâ?? total identity is about being against the Catholic Church and its perceived abuses. That revolt is still intact, as one Protestant sect rebels against another and the whole human experiment fractures into crazy glass.
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< No, anathema sit simply means, out of communion or not in line with >>>[/quote]
That’s what it meant at Trent?[/quote]
No.
“Anathema remains a major excommunication which is to be promulgated with great solemnity.” ~
Hence if you do not believe in the dogma of the church, you are out of communion or in a state of ‘excommunication’ with her. Most non-Catholics are in this state, but a recindence of the state is always available.
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< Particularly when it came to gain profit or power by exploiting the faith of the lowly. It was because of the reformation that the church cleaned house. So in a sense it was a good thing.
What I see here is a lot of misconceptions on what exactly Catholicism is and what we believe. It’s sad really. I do not know what is being taught out there, but it is patently false almost categorically.
[/quote]This I admit, just infuriates me. Cleaned house? So when does the “church” give back it’s stolen headquarters then? I have never gotten an answer to that. When you steal from somebody and then repent you give back what you stole and maybe more. If impossible then that abomination should have been burned to the ground in denunciation of the unthinkably sick, sadistic, satanic way it was financed. Anything except to just keep it and keep using it. There is no repentance for hundreds of years now. That alone is a monumental ongoing and fatal evidence of Rome’s utter alienation from the God and Christ of the bible. Have you ever let it sink in what “The church” did to those people to build that thing? Ever? Killing them would have been more merciful.
Tell me one misconception of mine. I have gotten everything from catholic sources and in most cases sources with an included imprimatur so as to remove all doubt. I can make mistakes, but where? How bout an answer to Blacksheep’s anathemas from Trent. (He’s exactly right on the body and blood of Christ too BTW) Oh, there’s dozens more too. Oops, the ever immutable rock of the holy apostolic church changed that at vatican II. Actually there’s whole groups of dissent all over the flawlessly united body on a catalog of issues including “ignorance” as propounded in the CCC. I can make a list if you want. Usually these folks adhere to the Baltimore catechism or some other earlier standard instead, viewing the CCC as a modernist liberal corruption of the most holy faith. That makes it kinda inconvenient because the CC with all it’s newfound tolerance is what’s onthe vatican website. There’s just as much division there as anywhere else.
Let’s not even get into all the dogma that evolved over CENTURIES clearly indicating that earlier generations were without these “truths” that God must have withheld until pope ________ came along to make it anathema to deny it. Oh I know. There’s explanations for that too. There’s explanations for everything and as soon as you surrender your mind AND your soul to a man (and yes it is that) living in a sprawling palace city state built by pure evil it will all make sense to you too right?
I must be honest in stating that my delving back into RCC dogma again the past several weeks has caused a drastic re-deterioration of my estimation of that church which even at it’s best was never all that great anyway. I cannot state emphatically enough however that contrary to how it may appear this does not indicate hostility toward you people in this forum, but it would be dishonest of me to pretend not to have hostility toward Roman Catholicism. The deeper we go in these conversations the worse it gets.
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Stolen? The Vatican? Uh, ok. You obviously have some anger issues. I have address any and all things presented. Further, it has done nothing to stem your bigotry against my faith. This is a deep seated and wholly warped view stemming from somewhere, but most if not all of it is wrong. I will not return in kind.
It does not suffice to answer your questions, you want to rail against the faith. I have spent way more time than I should have on it. I can see that no matter what you will just lean even harder on your old misconceptions than to listen and learn about the Catholic faith of which you clearly have no knowledge of. So I will say only this last thing:
May the peace of Jesus Christ be upon you and may he bless you in every way.
[quote]pat wrote:
You can go to a Catholic church in Georgia, and then go to one in Thailand and you get the same mass.
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I did this twice, once domestically and then one internationally. It was awesome to hear the mass said in English in Phoenix and the same mass said in Latin in Argentina. And if Protestants think we worship Mary, they’d be horrified by what kind of Honor they bestow on her down in Latin American and third world countries. Not to say you guys have weak stomachs, just that American Catholics can be a lot tamer compared to people that show their reliance on God everyday to sometimes only feed one of their six children a day.[/quote]
I agree with this statement 100%. I have been to Mexico and Ecuador, and Mary is all over the place. I live in a sanctuary city here in Texas, and it is amazing the pictures of Mary all over the place on the back windows of cars and trucks of Hispanics.
“…And so, now will you answer the question, do you condemn these people whom believe differently, but still love God in what ever form that would take?”
It is not for me to condemn. I have given you my interpretation of the Holy Scriptures from my studies of said scriptures and through the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Truth will stand in the end.
With love, gentleness, patience, and meekness…
MARANATHA
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Thank you and now we are getting somewhere. Now, there are scriptures referring to God’s mercy on those who do not necessarily believe as we do or are not Christians. For are not those who show mercy to their neighbor living the word of Christ? What if they are a hindu? Is it less the word of God when a hindu does it?
If a muslim stands up and stops a terror attack to his own life? Is he not living out the word of Christ?
What if a jew saves a muslim baby from perishing in yet more violence in the occupied territories. Is he living the word of Christ any less?
These types of things happen, you know. People, non-Christians and Christains alike displaying mercy and goodness. Should they be condemned, according to the word?
[quote]pat wrote:
You can go to a Catholic church in Georgia, and then go to one in Thailand and you get the same mass.
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I did this twice, once domestically and then one internationally. It was awesome to hear the mass said in English in Phoenix and the same mass said in Latin in Argentina. And if Protestants think we worship Mary, they’d be horrified by what kind of Honor they bestow on her down in Latin American and third world countries. Not to say you guys have weak stomachs, just that American Catholics can be a lot tamer compared to people that show their reliance on God everyday to sometimes only feed one of their six children a day.[/quote]
I went to confession at the Domo in Milan, boy was that an experience. The priest was very nice about it, he got a good chuckle because of me…
I did find an english speaking priest visiting once, that helped. English is definitely not prominent in Milan
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< Particularly when it came to gain profit or power by exploiting the faith of the lowly. It was because of the reformation that the church cleaned house. So in a sense it was a good thing.
What I see here is a lot of misconceptions on what exactly Catholicism is and what we believe. It’s sad really. I do not know what is being taught out there, but it is patently false almost categorically.
[/quote]This I admit, just infuriates me. Cleaned house? So when does the “church” give back it’s stolen headquarters then? I have never gotten an answer to that. When you steal from somebody and then repent you give back what you stole and maybe more. If impossible then that abomination should have been burned to the ground in denunciation of the unthinkably sick, sadistic, satanic way it was financed. Anything except to just keep it and keep using it. There is no repentance for hundreds of years now. That alone is a monumental ongoing and fatal evidence of Rome’s utter alienation from the God and Christ of the bible. Have you ever let it sink in what “The church” did to those people to build that thing? Ever? Killing them would have been more merciful.
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No Penance? Seriously…I think so far this everyday, yeah, everyday this year there are people saying penance for the Church’s passed sins. We even have cloistured nuns who’s main duty, besides that of being a Christian, is to say penance for the Church. When was the last time we heard penance from the Puritans, or the Anabaptist, or any other Protestant.
We have given back several Papal Estates, some given to us as war booty from Kings for saving their hide, some were war booty in our own personal duelings. It’s okay, most people don’t know these things, as it’s a surprise to people that not everything was done in modern mindset for all the time man has been on this rock. But, we learn, and we repent, and we say penance.
That is more of a theological situation than it is a moral and faith situation, I would say, kind of like your thoughts on St. Thomas, he got to wordy. Same thing with ignorance, people think it got to wordy, but if you look at the dogma it matches up, just matters of context and intentions. A lot has written after Vatican II in the spirit, but I’ll have to say that those that consider themselves Traditionalists have it right. The Vatican II, in the spirit is bunk. If you read it, over half the stuff people do in the spirit of the Vatican II is dumb. Plain dumb…like super dumb, like I want to poke their eyes out dumb because no where in the Vatican II documents does it allow this stuff…
Haha
There is no such thing as Roman Catholicism. It is Catholicism. There is the Roman Catholic Church, and the idea of Roman Catholicism came from people that called themselves for instance Irish Catholic…blah. No the Roman is more for geographical purposes than it is anything. I have actually heard people say, I’m not Roman Catholic, I’m Irish Catholic. I’ve always wanted to hit them over the head with a heavy rock (I love puns). Not because they are heretics, because they are not (just stupid), but because of the utter nonsense that is they think it is cool to be Irish Catholic, whatever that means.
Yes, Rome is a special place, it has something to do with Prophesies, but it’s because that is where our Pope is. I guess if the prophecies were not directed there, and where instead of located in Switzerland (That be Ironic wouldn’t it) We’d be Swiss Catholics…Although, we do have the Swiss Guard, which they are not neutral at all. About the only thing out of Swiss cheese land that isn’t.[/quote]
The Swiss Guard is more for show…The real guards carry machine guns…Big ones.
May the peace of Jesus Christ be upon you and may he bless you in every way.
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Peace also be with you. Did I get that right? I have been to Catholic Mass 3 times in my life, and that is what I picked up from it.
I love Jesus, and anything that takes away from the Glory and Power of Jesus, I will fight to the death. I get a little Zealous now and again, and I do apologize if I have hurt anyone’s feelings. I guess I have more issues with the average Easter and Christmas Catholic than the true followers that go to mass week in and week out. I have brought up Jesus to hundreds of Catholics, and most will not want to speak about it. I ask if they are Christian and there answer is no, I am Catholic. The hatred, that is too harsh, the dislike for the Protestants from the Catholics is just as harsh as the Protestants for the Catholics.
Yes the Bible was given to us by the early Catholic church, and I also would love for their to be one Holy Apostolic Church. Just imaging what God could do through all his people through out the world. I have to side with Tiribulus with I think the Roman Catholic Church has gotten away from her first love. That first love is Jesus, and that love should be first and formost. The new CCC and the council at Trent just twist me up a bit. Maybe I need to spend more time with them, but from what I am seeing from here is Mary becomes this figure after Trent. Prior to that council she was jus the Mother of Jesus.
Are there any older Catechisms than the Baltimore Catechism? I would love to see one prior to Vatican II, and if possible one older than Trent.
May the peace of Jesus Christ be upon you and may he bless you in every way.
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Peace also be with you. Did I get that right? I have been to Catholic Mass 3 times in my life, and that is what I picked up from it.
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Ha! Close…I hate winter when little kids with snot all over their hands want to shake yours…Then you yawn and cover your mouth…
If any Catholic has acted harshly towards you shame on them. I guess people get defensive, but forgive them. We Catholics as you can plainly see, get attacked a lot. It gets old, so I guess some people become dismissive as if you are just seeking to attack once again.
Twice a year Catholics drive me nuts. I can never get a good parking space and the church is full to the brim with no where to sit. But perhaps, the two masses may provide sufficient grace to bring them home. So I must welcome them.
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Yes the Bible was given to us by the early Catholic church, and I also would love for their to be one Holy Apostolic Church. Just imaging what God could do through all his people through out the world. I have to side with Tiribulus with I think the Roman Catholic Church has gotten away from her first love. That first love is Jesus, and that love should be first and formost. The new CCC and the council at Trent just twist me up a bit. Maybe I need to spend more time with them, but from what I am seeing from here is Mary becomes this figure after Trent. Prior to that council she was jus the Mother of Jesus.
Are there any older Catechisms than the Baltimore Catechism? I would love to see one prior to Vatican II, and if possible one older than Trent.[/quote]
I must beg to differ on what the Catholic Church’s focus. We are 150% Christ focused. All roads lead to Christ. Mary has always been a prominent figure in the faith. You say “Prior to that council she was just the Mother of Jesus.”, I say it’s a BIG DEAL. She is the first disciple and living tabernacle. She is the only one who would have gladly traded places with him on that cross. If you have kids, you know what I mean. She suffered tremendously because she took on this responsibility. To be the chosen Mother of God is not a small side note. If we honor and respect Peter, Paul and the apostles, we should respect and honor the Blessed Mother that much more. She had the hardest job of all, to watch her son be brutally killed and not be able to do anything about it. Where were these apostles? Only one was there, John. Jesus loved his Mama so much, that even dying on the cross he made sure she was taken care of by giving her to John.
Side note, the Hail Mary is little more than a combination of the Angel Gabriel’s proclamation, Elizabeth’s greeting, and the Magnificat. So technically the pray is as scripturally based as the Our Father.
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< Stolen? The Vatican? Uh, ok. You obviously have some anger issues. >>>[/quote] Yes, stolen. Financed by using the name of Christ to rob the poor and ignorant peasantry of what little they had, preying on their desperate pain for deceased loved ones and repeatedly extorting their money on the promise of relieving the suffering of said loved ones. That is pure black hearted unadulterated demonic evil. Any so called repentance that does not include the full comprehensive relinquishing of any and all gain from such a flagrantly abominable enterprise is fruitless and an affront to the holy God and His Christ.
What would be said of some televangelistic empire that preyed upon the simple in such a way and when caught said they repented, but kept all the money houses and cars? I know what I would say and you too, but just not for Rome.
[quote]pat wrote:<<< I have address any and all things presented. Further, it has done nothing to stem your bigotry against my faith. This is a deep seated and wholly warped view stemming from somewhere, but most if not all of it is wrong. I will not return in kind. >>>[/quote]Come on Pat ol buddy. Have the courage of your convictions. I’m not even being sarcastic here. Not a bit. I reject the pope, the holy see, the catholic sacraments, Mary as anything other than “blessed among women” and a true example of piety. I reject any "tradition of the RCC not found by overt declaration or necessary implication in the holy scriptures. In short I reject anything and everything uniquely catholic about the Roman church as a horrific deception and tool of Satan to lead untold millions of unsuspecting faithful followers to their eternal death and as such I do hate it. (I must emphatically add that this does not translate into hatred for individual catholics in any way or on any level. Quite and absolutely the contrary)
I declare all of the above with the full knowledge that by Roman dogma I am a living a symphony of “mortal” sin and do hereby proclaim that if Rome be true I am bound for hell should I perish in this state.
Agree or disagree?
Or since Pat’s not talkin to me anymore maybe one of you other guys can agree or disagree with what I just said. Or you can ignore me entirely. Let me say one more time. This is not fun for me and I am not hateful or even angry at any person in this forum. If you people knew me in real life you would know that. Truly.
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< Particularly when it came to gain profit or power by exploiting the faith of the lowly. It was because of the reformation that the church cleaned house. So in a sense it was a good thing.
What I see here is a lot of misconceptions on what exactly Catholicism is and what we believe. It’s sad really. I do not know what is being taught out there, but it is patently false almost categorically.
[/quote]This I admit, just infuriates me. Cleaned house? So when does the “church” give back it’s stolen headquarters then? I have never gotten an answer to that. When you steal from somebody and then repent you give back what you stole and maybe more. If impossible then that abomination should have been burned to the ground in denunciation of the unthinkably sick, sadistic, satanic way it was financed. Anything except to just keep it and keep using it. There is no repentance for hundreds of years now. That alone is a monumental ongoing and fatal evidence of Rome’s utter alienation from the God and Christ of the bible. Have you ever let it sink in what “The church” did to those people to build that thing? Ever? Killing them would have been more merciful.
[/quote]
No Penance? Seriously…I think so far this everyday, yeah, everyday this year there are people saying penance for the Church’s passed sins. We even have cloistured nuns who’s main duty, besides that of being a Christian, is to say penance for the Church. When was the last time we heard penance from the Puritans, or the Anabaptist, or any other Protestant.
We have given back several Papal Estates, some given to us as war booty from Kings for saving their hide, some were war booty in our own personal duelings. It’s okay, most people don’t know these things, as it’s a surprise to people that not everything was done in modern mindset for all the time man has been on this rock. But, we learn, and we repent, and we say penance.
That is more of a theological situation than it is a moral and faith situation, I would say, kind of like your thoughts on St. Thomas, he got to wordy. Same thing with ignorance, people think it got to wordy, but if you look at the dogma it matches up, just matters of context and intentions. A lot has written after Vatican II in the spirit, but I’ll have to say that those that consider themselves Traditionalists have it right. The Vatican II, in the spirit is bunk. If you read it, over half the stuff people do in the spirit of the Vatican II is dumb. Plain dumb…like super dumb, like I want to poke their eyes out dumb because no where in the Vatican II documents does it allow this stuff…
Haha
There is no such thing as Roman Catholicism. It is Catholicism. There is the Roman Catholic Church, and the idea of Roman Catholicism came from people that called themselves for instance Irish Catholic…blah. No the Roman is more for geographical purposes than it is anything. I have actually heard people say, I’m not Roman Catholic, I’m Irish Catholic. I’ve always wanted to hit them over the head with a heavy rock (I love puns). Not because they are heretics, because they are not (just stupid), but because of the utter nonsense that is they think it is cool to be Irish Catholic, whatever that means.
Yes, Rome is a special place, it has something to do with Prophesies, but it’s because that is where our Pope is. I guess if the prophecies were not directed there, and where instead of located in Switzerland (That be Ironic wouldn’t it) We’d be Swiss Catholics…Although, we do have the Swiss Guard, which they are not neutral at all. About the only thing out of Swiss cheese land that isn’t.[/quote]
The Swiss Guard is more for show…The real guards carry machine guns…Big ones. [/quote]
I thought that was the Swiss Guard, I may have been mistaken.
May the peace of Jesus Christ be upon you and may he bless you in every way.
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Peace also be with you. Did I get that right? I have been to Catholic Mass 3 times in my life, and that is what I picked up from it.
I love Jesus, and anything that takes away from the Glory and Power of Jesus, I will fight to the death. I get a little Zealous now and again, and I do apologize if I have hurt anyone’s feelings. I guess I have more issues with the average Easter and Christmas Catholic than the true followers that go to mass week in and week out. I have brought up Jesus to hundreds of Catholics, and most will not want to speak about it. I ask if they are Christian and there answer is no, I am Catholic. The hatred, that is too harsh, the dislike for the Protestants from the Catholics is just as harsh as the Protestants for the Catholics.
Yes the Bible was given to us by the early Catholic church, and I also would love for their to be one Holy Apostolic Church. Just imaging what God could do through all his people through out the world. I have to side with Tiribulus with I think the Roman Catholic Church has gotten away from her first love. That first love is Jesus, and that love should be first and formost. The new CCC and the council at Trent just twist me up a bit. Maybe I need to spend more time with them, but from what I am seeing from here is Mary becomes this figure after Trent. Prior to that council she was jus the Mother of Jesus.
Are there any older Catechisms than the Baltimore Catechism? I would love to see one prior to Vatican II, and if possible one older than Trent.[/quote]
Baltimore Catechism was written before 1885, which was before the Vatican II.
[quote]pat wrote:
<<< Stolen? The Vatican? Uh, ok. You obviously have some anger issues. >>>[/quote] Yes, stolen. Financed by using the name of Christ to rob the poor and ignorant peasantry of what little they had, preying on their desperate pain for deceased loved ones and repeatedly extorting their money on the promise of relieving the suffering of said loved ones. That is pure black hearted unadulterated demonic evil. Any so called repentance that does not include the full comprehensive relinquishing of any and all gain from such a flagrantly abominable enterprise is fruitless and an affront to the holy God and His Christ.
What would be said of some televangelistic empire that preyed upon the simple in such a way and when caught said they repented, but kept all the money houses and cars? I know what I would say and you too, but just not for Rome.
[quote]pat wrote:<<< I have address any and all things presented. Further, it has done nothing to stem your bigotry against my faith. This is a deep seated and wholly warped view stemming from somewhere, but most if not all of it is wrong. I will not return in kind. >>>[/quote]Come on Pat ol buddy. Have the courage of your convictions. I’m not even being sarcastic here. Not a bit. I reject the pope, the holy see, the catholic sacraments, Mary as anything other than “blessed among women” and a true example of piety. I reject any "tradition of the RCC not found by overt declaration or necessary implication in the holy scriptures. In short I reject anything and everything uniquely catholic about the Roman church as a horrific deception and tool of Satan to lead untold millions of unsuspecting faithful followers to their eternal death and as such I do hate it. (I must emphatically add that this does not translate into hatred for individual catholics in any way or on any level. Quite and absolutely the contrary)
I declare all of the above with the full knowledge that by Roman dogma I am a living a symphony of “mortal” sin and do hereby proclaim that if Rome be true I am bound for hell should I perish in this state.
Agree or disagree?
Or since Pat’s not talkin to me anymore maybe one of you other guys can agree or disagree with what I just said. Or you can ignore me entirely. Let me say one more time. This is not fun for me and I am not hateful or even angry at any person in this forum. If you people knew me in real life you would know that. Truly.
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When you repudiate your WASP ancestors and depart this land for Europe, I’ll take the relinquishment and reperations talk seriously. It makes for good drama, but when it’s aim is kept narrow, and just so happens to issue from an American protestant at the Catholic church…Well, you might as well be wearing a ‘Go team Protestant!’ t-shirt.
You’re a good guy. However, the double-dog-dare to us, the Catholic Church, to relinquish and make reperations, comes off as a bit insincere when delivered by an American protestant. This is a group whose homes, churches, and even nation, exist in large part because of the–all too often–bloody butchery of America’s early God-fearing forefathers. But I guess THAT was divine providence’s guiding hand, eh? Next time I drive by the reservation, I’ll keep your suggestions for us in mind. But, I also be wondering if you’ll lead the way. Maybe we can get neighboring seats on the flight to Europe?
No one can say who is going to Hell, no one can even say who is in Hell, except the Angel of Light and his minions. I’m not going to even pretend that last post was even close to being rational though.
Here’s the difference between the Catholic Church and Protestant denominations. The Catholic Church was given to us by Jesus, for our salvation, so we can worship him more deeply, so we can be a slave to righteousness. The Protestant denominations have had one main purpose, directly or inhereted: To go against the Catholic Church. It is in your name, You are protestors, you protest the Catholic Church. You even twist your own book so you do not have to admit that we are the Church. The Protestant has done more to destroy the Bible then they have done to perserve it, let alone spread its message.
Protestants have created many errors in their Bibles, books taken out, phrases taken out, and probably many other things along the way.
Another difference is that though Protestants are anti-Catholic. And will scream at the top of their lungs, that is so. Catholics are not anti-protestant, we do not envy you, however we do not hate you. We probably have worse people in our Church than in all your churches. But, Jesus did not come to heal the well, he came to heal the sick. Which is evident from the Catholic Church.
I always wonder if people are thinking about the fact that the Catholic Church has been proclaiming the same message for a little under 2000 years, is the biggest and longest continuous standing organization in the history of man kind, is the biggest organization on earth today. Not to forget the fact that even though as great as Billy Graham, and such evangelicals, the Catholic Church has more ministries to the poor, sick, uneducated, unborn, widows, orphans, & than anyone else.
We have one of the largest relief funds and several auxiliary ministries that help that fund when in a time of crisis. We also have more charitable societies than anyone else. Yet, even though for all this time, people have been asking God to smite us, and trying to smite us as well, we still stand. Even through our ebb and flow of sins.
Tirib, if you want to bring down the Catholic Church, like all the Protestants, don’t try. It’s not worth the effort, you are running into a 120 foot thick cement wall. And, well, at the end of the day, Catholics have been having a very good go at trying to bring the Catholic Church down every single day for the passed 1800 years or so.
I believe that is one of the greatest modern testimonies of God. Even a house full of hooligans, when touched by God will stand for ever.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Next time I drive by the reservation, I’ll keep your suggestions for us in mind. But, I also be wondering if you’ll lead the way. Maybe we can get neighboring seats on the flight to Europe?[/quote]
Please forgive me, but I am a light weight as many has seen on here. The protestants that moved to American and founded this Country, wrote in the Constitution that there is to be separation of Church and State. The original set up that God ordained in the Old Testament. The acts of the Government is not led by any church whether Protestant, nor Catholic.
Are you saying that the Native Americans here in America were forced to go to the Reservation because the Protestant Churches in this Country took their land?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
No one can say who is going to Hell, no one can even say who is in Hell, except the Angel of Light and his minions. I’m not going to even pretend that last post was even close to being rational though.
Here’s the difference between the Catholic Church and Protestant denominations. The Catholic Church was given to us by Jesus, for our salvation, so we can worship him more deeply, so we can be a slave to righteousness. The Protestant denominations have had one main purpose, directly or inhereted: To go against the Catholic Church. It is in your name, You are protestors, you protest the Catholic Church. You even twist your own book so you do not have to admit that we are the Church. The Protestant has done more to destroy the Bible then they have done to perserve it, let alone spread its message.
Protestants have created many errors in their Bibles, books taken out, phrases taken out, and probably many other things along the way.
Another difference is that though Protestants are anti-Catholic. And will scream at the top of their lungs, that is so. Catholics are not anti-protestant, we do not envy you, however we do not hate you. We probably have worse people in our Church than in all your churches. But, Jesus did not come to heal the well, he came to heal the sick. Which is evident from the Catholic Church.
I always wonder if people are thinking about the fact that the Catholic Church has been proclaiming the same message for a little under 2000 years, is the biggest and longest continuous standing organization in the history of man kind, is the biggest organization on earth today. Not to forget the fact that even though as great as Billy Graham, and such evangelicals, the Catholic Church has more ministries to the poor, sick, uneducated, unborn, widows, orphans, & than anyone else. We have one of the largest relief funds and several auxiliary ministries that help that fund when in a time of crisis. We also have more charitable societies than anyone else. Yet, even though for all this time, people have been asking God to smite us, and trying to smite us as well, we still stand. Even through our ebb and flow of sins.
Tirib, if you want to bring down the Catholic Church, like all the Protestants, don’t try. It’s not worth the effort, you are running into a 120 foot thick cement wall. And, well, at the end of the day, Catholics have been having a very good go at trying to bring the Catholic Church down every single day for the passed 1800 years or so.
I believe that is one of the greatest modern testimonies of God. Even a house full of hooligans, when touched by God will stand for ever.[/quote]
Brother Chris, how much money is collected by Catholic Charities from different Governments?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Next time I drive by the reservation, I’ll keep your suggestions for us in mind. But, I also be wondering if you’ll lead the way. Maybe we can get neighboring seats on the flight to Europe?[/quote]
Please forgive me, but I am a light weight as many has seen on here. The protestants that moved to American and founded this Country, wrote in the Constitution that there is to be separation of Church and State. The original set up that God ordained in the Old Testament. The acts of the Government is not led by any church whether Protestant, nor Catholic.
Are you saying that the Native Americans here in America were forced to go to the Reservation because the Protestant Churches in this Country took their land?[/quote]
Are you saying protestant people didn’t take their land to grow protestant communities and yes, churches? See the word “heathen.”