I have extensive experience with corporal punishment.
I arguably turned out well.
I also arguably have some major issues that have made my parents regret corporal punishment
I always want to reply with “Imagine how much more you could have done if you weren’t traumatized as a child.”
However, the people who say the aforementioned in my area tend to also carry firearms and get pissy at ideas they don’t like.
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And you trust psychologists?
I have seen psychologists destroy people lives
A smack on the ass is not the same as abusing children with beatings
And you know me so well
A vast majority of parents who deliver a smack or two in the arse have good intentions.
Not all children are capable of understanding the intent. For example, giving a preteen or teen a smacking probably won’t do much harm
But for a very young child? I’d think twice about how that is interpreted by the child
A teen would rather have a smack on the ass than be grounded…its more effective, like you said it won’t hurt them
A pre-teen will understand a smack on the ass and knowing they did something wrong as long as the parent communicates to them why they got punished
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If most anyone else posted this I wouldn’t be surprised. But from a strong STEM? Why didn’t you consider historical data? As if there is much definitive data… but it can be surmised.
Let’s just consider child correction method for the history of the United States. As you recall as the British citizens that left England looking for freedom of religion, they brought with them the Holy Bible.
Solomon wrote: Prov 13:24, “He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” I mention this not to convince you that you must chasten your child to be a good parent. Not that it is the Bible, so God commanded it. But to strongly suggest that the pilgrims brought this child raising method with them to what is now called the United States.
So, if we are to believe that the psychologists of today are correct, then the entire group of generations that preceded Dr. Spock traumatized its children (your words.)
How much more could our founders and The Greatest Generation have accomplished?
Might child chastening have influenced the insertion of The 2nd Amendment? You don’t actually believe that.
My position is that there isn’t enough historical data to definitively assess the value of chastening your child. But I can see how the general acceptance of no corporal punishment has made it less effective, if for no other reason that the child has many advocates that say they were mistreated.
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This is the key IMO. Otherwise the child just learns fear and avoidance.
This is where my parents screwed up.
Another thing is that relying on spanking can also be a result of parents not willing to invest time to figure out more effective punishments that could be costlier to implement. For example, taking away screen time or allowance might be more effective than a spanking will ever be but requires effort to enforce
Very much agree. They’re actors, not role models.
Just because they’re pretty and make a good impression doesn’t mean they’re actually any good.
Most are batshit crazy egomaniacs.
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For me personally, the verbal insults hurt more than the spankings themselves (I burned myself pretty much every week when attempting to cook, getting whipped was nothing)
My mum in particular would yell things like “I’m going to kill you” or “shut up thing” out of rage.
And I’m pretty convinced that this type of language taught me that relationships are conditional.
There was also a lot of talk about consequences and incentives. Great for being an economist. Not so great for being a human
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The studies have
And an argument could be made that this practice over time has detrimentally affected our people/culture compared to those cultures/countries that have moved on from this.
Maybe what was “good” in the past came from lack of understanding (via lack of science) of the human condition.
I know faith is important to you and I commend that. I do not think we should apply anything from the Bible without also applying the knowledge gained since these things were recorded. I realize we will disagree here - that’s okay.
I would be curious to see if all cultures had this practice or just some. I have not seen data so cannot draw this conclusion.
Whether or not the person experiencing corporal punishment claims to have been traumatized, the body and subconscious brain remember trauma and will do what it must to protect itself. It’s the same mechanism that’s behind PTSD.
Don’t know, but the Greatest Generation is an awfully presumptuous name given history.
No my position is that many folks who feel that corporal punishment is good and argue with simplistic generalizations like “I turned out pretty well” are the same folks who tend to throw fits over ideas they don’t like or haven’t thought through.
I am not sure how you can take this stance that it isn’t mistreatment given what you have seen being a foster parent.
What you experienced is not what i experienced
I was spanked and explained to why i was spanked…obviously at an age that i was able to understand what they were saying
As i got older, i was grounded and explained to why i was grounded
My parents never verbally abused or insulted us kids
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Yeah. There are quickly diminishing returns on physical punishment.
I would get beat with a belt until he felt better about what ever it was that I did or didn’t do.
Until that no longer worked.
Then it was hands and fists.
Until that no longer worked.
Then it was hard objects like broom handles or what ever else was in reach.
Then I knocked him across the kitchen and just about into the next ice age
Because by that time I knew damn well how to use violence to gain compliance. 
I was a somewhat new guy at a place I worked, and a guy was tring to intimidate me and bring me to heel. He got frustrated and threatened to “knock my lights out” or some nonsense.
I just laughed in his face. He asked what I was laughing about. I told him he can’t physically hit hard enough to actually hurt me, and that he better go find a nice 2x4 or piece of angle iron if he wants to try. .
Using and overusing corporal punishment & beatings just creates meaner tougher monsters.
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Yeah, my dad did the same. One time I decided “Fuck you,” so I started counting the spanks to piss him off. He did not like that. I think I made it to 60ish before I cracked.
Mom liked to use the wooden spoon. I liked to go camping in our back yard with a campfire. Funny how the spoons kept disappearing.
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lmaoo, I did this with clothehangers and various objects that could be used as weapons
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My dad used to turn his college ring around and thump me in the head with it. Left some great lumps. It strangely disappeared, too.
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These reactions are clearly not symptoms of abused people….
/sarcasm in case it was unclear
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It worked though, right?
We aren’t soft like those damn kids these days, are we?
A close friend of mine has always been kind of in awe of my ability to unflinchingly walk up to loud violent people and just destroy them. I even used to go to bars and do it out of boredom.
He asked about it recently. I told him “I used to be scared of people. It didn’t work. So I learned to hit first and harder.”.
