I think that’s what we’re all saying here. I only advocate for removing the economic issue of it by no longer requiring child support payments by a party that has absolutely 0 legal control of the child.
In other words: If a woman has full rights over the child, a man should have full rights over whether he financially supports it or not.
The only proposals that will work are. Most unwed mothers are simply incapable of raising their children well on their own (as are most single fathers, but that’s a separate story). Rendering them aid will create the wrong incentives while leaving them to their own means will punish their children.
There are two philosophies and either of them can work on its own.
However, these two philosophies cannot create a coherent government without one of them taking priority. Letting people do whatever they want requires that people also deal with the consequences of their own actions. Collectively looking after each other requires that we have a social contract that gives everyone not only rights and privileges, but also duties and responsibilities. Civilization cannot exist if society owes individuals something while individuals owe society nothing in return.
That’s a good idea for those who don’t throw their excesses on the rest of us. They have a knack for making it others’ business.
I’m not sure who this is directed to but gods or God doesn’t occur to me when talking about such a topic.
What punishment do you speak of? Sex comes with responsibility. Are the responsibility and consequences or sex punishments?
I don’t think anyone here looks at children as punishments. We had them by our own volition.
I laughed out loud at this part.
I don’t think it should. We have all the biological knowledge and resources to make it be consequence free, so why not? Let it be fun.
The god comment is more about people trying to structure societies and starting in the bedroom.
Also any non-consentual stuff is bad, because I have a feeling someone is going to try that argument.
In general, including sex and its consequences (good or bad), quit propagating poor choices.
Stupid should hurt. Make painful choices, live a painful life. Don’t give people (adults) bumpers to fail against. Let them knock the shit out of themselves and learn.
Largely subjective generational bullshit aside, we really stated going south as we became a mommy state.
I think this is just a fancy way of saying that benefits always come with costs. It doesn’t make solutions myths however. It just means they require effort. I want bigger arms. I need to make an effort which will require me to give up some time and energy. If my arms get bigger, I found the solution, it’s not a myth. Was the investment worth it? That’s for me to decide. You could just as easily change solutions to objectives.
They sell condoms at gas stations. Planned Parenthood gives them away. These people want to get pregnant.
That would make sense if not for most of them being morons. Thinking twice assumes they even think at all.
But society should be punished because their offspring are a drain?
And they should keep themselves out of my paycheck.
Children from single fathers do as well as children from two parent homes.
No, the idea that procreation is the point of sex is stupid and corrosive.
I mean, me neither, but I was raised by a single mom who was on welfare for a period. Now I can provide support for her and the economy at large. I feel much better with a pay it forward mentality.
Huh? It may not be the intent of everyone who has sex, but I think you’ll have a difficult time showing it’s not the point of sex.
I mean, why does IVF exist? People get their tubes tied and have vasectomies and still enjoy getting their rocks off.
If someone thinks the point of sex is to toss a kid into the world, and not have things like intimancy, joy, connection, release, then maybe they should spill their seed alone.
Which is also fine.
These are things that provide incentive to have sex…so that you
Seriously - I get the point you’re making, but I don’t agree with it. Maybe this is sex being viewed as a transactional, verses a partnership.
Best cardio ever, though.
This is completely flawed reasoning: hot cold empathy gap (one of the studies actually used sexual arousal as a “hot state”), quasi hyperbolic discounting, overconfidence…. All exacerbated by the relative immaturity and risk seeking of young ppl. I guess one benefit of “modern society” is that teen pregnancies are plummeting since young ppl aren’t having as much sex
I agree with @Brant_Drake
Better sex ed (or sex ed at all in some cases) and easy access to cheap contraception would be great and ironically support the agenda of some of the groups opposed to them. Another caveat is that abstinence only sex ed is pretty useless.
The best way to prevent needless suffering of children IMO is to make it easy to prevent pregnancy if the mum and dad aren’t able to support those children
In what ways would you improve sex education?
Condoms are on every gas station and there is no doctor who would be unwilling to prescribe birth control. How much more access to contraceptives is needed?
They made needles free and taught folks how to safely inject illicit drugs in San Francisco. Do you think better educating and easier access to supplies helped out that community?
Probably, better access to parental guidance would be the best starting place.
Actually teaching it would be a start. There are a lot of districts that don’t. Another part of sex ed would be to teach HOW to use contraception. A surprising number of accidents happen bc the woman doesn’t understand that the pill only works if you take it consistently or that the pill/IUDs/plan B doesn’t prevent STIs (different topic but similar concept)
Note: I wasn’t taught any of this from school, parents or PCP. I am fortunately enough to have access to a gynaecologist, spend time learning about medicine and worked on a project developing a behavioural science based sex ed course
This is a false equivalence. Facilitating drug use, even with harm reduction measures, results in high negative externalities and even then, there is high heterogeneity between drugs
Facilitating safe sex has no such externalities
Cracking down on alcohol would be more beneficial than anything (less unprotected sex and sex assault for one thing). But of course, alcohol holds some special status that makes it get a magical pass despite the clear harms
I fail to see the relevance of this question. The fact that wheelchairs exist doesn’t make it unclear why we walk.