Militant Mexican Racism

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Guttus Gumptuous wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
To say that you have a right to be in the US because it was once your land many years ago is not a reasonable argument.

Not that I agree completely with them or you, but isn’t this the Jewish argument for Israel at its base?

Great point.

Yes, I would agree on the correlation, but it brings nothing to the table. Does that make this or that, then justified?
How many times have we been vroomed(a compliment in this case)about not basing an argument politically on what another has done as justification?

In this case I see nothing wrong with a registration program that is in place to simply track those entering. Why is this even a big issue with the Mexican community?

The Canadians aren’t bitching about the same process to the North.

I’m just saying many people that will damn this because they think it’s Mexicans just being angry and irrational will, at the same time, support the Jews’ claim to Israel on the exact same grounds.

I don’t know why this is a problem. I don’t like militant nationalism for anybody, and I think the Mexicans might get themselves in a lot of trouble with this.

I’m for legalizing them, and making it easier to become citizens (not dual, mind you, but to be a citizen). I think something that screams, “You robbed us” is going to hurt their chances of being looked on not only as people, but as a big voting block. Politicians won’t be so quick to move on helping these people if they are so quick to damn we who already live here.

What is wrong with militant nationalism? I am being completely serious.[/quote]

Haha. Ooohh I don’t know.

Maybe you should ask Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Soviet Russia that question.

Or maybe just read a history book or ten.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Guttus Gumptuous wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
To say that you have a right to be in the US because it was once your land many years ago is not a reasonable argument.

Not that I agree completely with them or you, but isn’t this the Jewish argument for Israel at its base?

Great point.

Yes, I would agree on the correlation, but it brings nothing to the table. Does that make this or that, then justified?
How many times have we been vroomed(a compliment in this case)about not basing an argument politically on what another has done as justification?

In this case I see nothing wrong with a registration program that is in place to simply track those entering. Why is this even a big issue with the Mexican community?

The Canadians aren’t bitching about the same process to the North.

I’m just saying many people that will damn this because they think it’s Mexicans just being angry and irrational will, at the same time, support the Jews’ claim to Israel on the exact same grounds.

I don’t know why this is a problem. I don’t like militant nationalism for anybody, and I think the Mexicans might get themselves in a lot of trouble with this.

I’m for legalizing them, and making it easier to become citizens (not dual, mind you, but to be a citizen). I think something that screams, “You robbed us” is going to hurt their chances of being looked on not only as people, but as a big voting block. Politicians won’t be so quick to move on helping these people if they are so quick to damn we who already live here.

What is wrong with militant nationalism? I am being completely serious.

Haha. Ooohh I don’t know.

Maybe you should ask Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Soviet Russia that question.

Or maybe just read a history book or ten.[/quote]

Personally, I feel the only time nationalism is bad is when it interferes with other countries which is basically what Nazi Germany did and why nearly the entire world was against them. In my eyes, although the Soviet Union was one big mass murder machine, they certainly got what they wanted considering we allied ourselves with them and turned HALF of the world over to communism for nearly 50 years! Didn’t work out so bad for their motives.

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I have often leaned towards the side of tolerance and understanding on some of these immigration issues, especially considering the southwest’s economic dependance on many of these workers.

But now, quite frankly, I’m pissed.

The more I read, the angrier I get, and I think many Americans can relate. This massive movement WILL cause some policy changes in Washington, especially when vote-hungry politicos consider the “Sleeping Giant” that is the Hispanic voter. However, I don’t think that the organizers of this movement are anticipating the backlash that is inevitable. I hope that those who oppose this kind of legalized law-breaking will eventually get their act together and compel their elected officials to do the same.

Imagine: If Americans starting flocking into Mexico in droves, demanding to speak only English, popping out babies, demanding social services without paying taxes, flying the American flag in their front yards, demanding the right to vote in Mexican elections… how do we think the Mexican government would respond??

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some of the dumbass kids in some local schools staged walkouts today. The worst part of it is their fucking parents were showing up outside the school. Not to smack the little bastards in the head and tell them to drag their ass back inside and get an education. No, they were bringing them fucking PRE-MADE protest signs supplied by La Raza. Holy shit, I’m irritated.

Many of my students are illegal or have parents who are illegal. None of them walked out. Their parents would whoop their ass, and they’d be expelled and replaced by one of the hundreds of kids on our waiting list.

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  1. Why should the US government allow Illegal Aliens to be selective about the laws that they follow? They broke the law when they came here in the first place.

  2. Why should some one that is here illegally be entitled to government programs? i.e. public schools, welfare, medical care

  3. What would happen if they devoted all this energy and hard work into their homeland rather than a country that they just want to take advantage of?

I do not have a problem with someone that comes here legally. Come here attempt to become part of the America (diverse) culture and a productive member of society. My problem is when people come here illegally, use our services, don?t pay taxes for those services and don?t attempt to learn the language and become part of society. Why should my tax money go to pay for medical care, welfare or schools for illegal immigrants?

I don?t have a problem helping people, but let it be my choice. Instead I pay taxes to allow illegal aliens to come here for a better life, send money back home and burden our communities with crowded schools and unemployment. The other part that ticks me off is they protest. They have no right to protest. This is not your land. Some of it you sold the rest you lost in war. Right or wrong it is ours now. It is a different time.

Even if I would have to pay more for services to have Americas or legal immigrants fill the jobs that illegals take, it would be worth it. Think of what that would do to our economy. Lower unemployment rates, lower tax burden, higher minimum wage, having an idea of who is in our country; can you imagine? I don?t see a positive side for having them here. If we do not come up with a solution that improves national security and puts their money back into our society America will fall. It will be eaten alive from the inside out.

IMHO

Me Solomon Grundy

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[quote]Solomon Grundy wrote:

  1. Why should some one that is here illegally be entitled to government programs? i.e. public schools, welfare, medical care [/quote]

Because it’s probably better than the alternative, like no access to schools(a generation of illiterates) and no medical care(people dying in the streets).[quote]

  1. What would happen if they devoted all this energy and hard work into their homeland rather than a country that they just want to take advantage of?[/quote]

Maybe they do. Maybe the migrant worker sect isn’t influential enough in Mexico to change the government. Just like unskilled workers throughout the world(U.S. included). Obviously, people migrate to America for the chance to make a better life than they could in their own country.[quote]

I do not have a problem with someone that comes here legally.[/quote] I think this is quickly becoming the new " I have black friends".[quote]
Come here attempt to become part of the America (diverse) culture and a productive member of society. My problem is when people come here illegally, use our services, don?t pay taxes for those services and don?t attempt to learn the language and become part of society. [/quote]
When do you suggest they squeeze in second language hour? Many of these people work multiple jobs and don’t enjoy the free time that most other Americans do. Besides, they work and live in a subculture where English apparently isn’t required. Maybe if employers cared, they’d be forced to learn it, but until then…[quote]

Even if I would have to pay more for services to have Americas or legal immigrants fill the jobs that illegals take, it would be worth it. Think of what that would do to our economy. Lower unemployment rates, lower tax burden, higher minimum wage, having an idea of who is in our country; can you imagine? I don?t see a positive side for having them here. If we do not come up with a solution that improves national security and puts their money back into our society America will fall. It will be eaten alive from the inside out.[/quote]

While I sort of agree with your last statement, I think the beginning of the paragraph is pure fantasy. Maybe you and others would be willing to pay more for things if they were made by American workers, but the nature of corporate America is such that you would pay more and the goods would STILL be produced by the cheapest source of labor(illegal immigrants).

There is certainly no easy solution to this problem, maybe no solution at all. Perhaps America is transitioning to an all together different type of society. From the looks of it, were are going to become a Social Corporatist(or whatever the official term is) society. We are well on our way and the immigration issue is probably as much a smokescreen as it is a real concern. Corporate America and special interest lobbies are what’s killing this country, not Mexicans.

IMHO

Mojo

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Let order some of these shirts and make a point.

http://www.theamericanresistance.com/store/store.html

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I am glad that regular people who didn’t care or didn’t know are finally opening their eyes. White Nationalists have warned about la raza, MeChEa(or whatever the fuck that stupid, racist mexican student organization is called), illegals and the very real reconquista movement but nobody listened because of the swastikas and rabid racism. Here is a good article about how searching for a better life has turned into a war on our contry.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21309

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Solomon Grundy wrote:

  1. Why should some one that is here illegally be entitled to government programs? i.e. public schools, welfare, medical care

Because it’s probably better than the alternative, like no access to schools(a generation of illiterates) and no medical care(people dying in the streets).

[/quote]Just because things are worse where they are doesn’t entitle them to anything. When did this become our problem?[quote]

  1. What would happen if they devoted all this energy and hard work into their homeland rather than a country that they just want to take advantage of?

Maybe they do. Maybe the migrant worker sect isn’t influential enough in Mexico to change the government. Just like unskilled workers throughout the world(U.S. included). Obviously, people migrate to America for the chance to make a better life than they could in their own country.

[/quote]In a one hour documentary, Immigrant Nation - Divided Country originally aired in October 2004, CNN estimated that “7 ? 20 million” people were “living in this country illegally”. - They are “influential enough” to change our country[quote]

I do not have a problem with someone that comes here legally. I think this is quickly becoming the new " I have black friends".
Come here attempt to become part of the America (diverse) culture and a productive member of society. My problem is when people come here illegally, use our services, don?t pay taxes for those services and don?t attempt to learn the language and become part of society.
When do you suggest they squeeze in second language hour? [/quote]Maybe while they are waiting for a VISA? [quote]Many of these people work multiple jobs [/quote](Jobs that should be held by americans or legal workers) [quote]and don’t enjoy the free time that most other Americans do. Besides, they work and live in a subculture where English apparently isn’t required. [/quote](Again they have effected a change in our culture, so why not their own?)[quote]Maybe if employers cared, they’d be forced to learn it, but until then… [/quote]Increase the penalty for hiring illegals and they will.[quote]

Even if I would have to pay more for services to have Americas or legal immigrants fill the jobs that illegals take, it would be worth it. Think of what that would do to our economy. Lower unemployment rates, lower tax burden, higher minimum wage, having an idea of who is in our country; can you imagine? I don?t see a positive side for having them here. If we do not come up with a solution that improves national security and puts their money back into our society America will fall. It will be eaten alive from the inside out.

While I sort of agree with your last statement, I think the beginning of the paragraph is pure fantasy. Maybe you and others would be willing to pay more for things if they were made by American workers, but the nature of corporate America is such that you would pay more and the goods would STILL be produced by the cheapest source of labor(illegal immigrants). [/quote](OK I’ll agree with that, but with a lower tax burden and higher employment rates for the jobs that are here I’ll take the trade off)[quote]

There is certainly no easy solution to this problem, maybe no solution at all. Perhaps America is transitioning to an all together different type of society. From the looks of it, were are going to become a Social Corporatist(or whatever the official term is) society. We are well on our way and the immigration issue is probably as much a smokescreen as it is a real concern. Corporate America and special interest lobbies are what’s killing this country, not Mexicans. [/quote]( The world is changing and not for the better. Any way you look at it they are breaking the law and should be held accountable and stopped. The special interest groups have been a part of American politics for a long time and are not going anywhere unfortunatly.) [quote]

IMHO

Mojo[/quote]

There are many problems with America, our border with Mexico is only one of them. They are breaking the law as it stands right now. They have no rights here.

Me Solomon Grundy

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I haven’t read all posts, but I knew if I was a Mexican living in poverty with my family, I would try and move here to give my children a brighter future. And just so you know (if any of you have argued, or are going to argue about taxes), 75% of “undocumented” immigrants pay taxes. They contribute 7 billion a year, and unlike most Americans, they will not receive some form of public pension in retirement and will not be eligible for Medicare at 65+. Many paid taxes because they had a fake Social security card because they need that to get day-laboring jobs. They get no benefits, yet pay for them through taxes and payroll deduction. They also contribute to about 1.5 billion a year for Medicare. They are contributing more than they take from the system.

They do not take jobs from us, they do jobs many of us American will not take. They keep the U.S. industries competitive, and increase wages and mobility oppurtunities for many groups of American workers. America is not being overwhelmed by immigrants, it seems like that because they reside primarily in California, New York, Florida, and Texas. 8 out of 11 immigrants arriving in the U.S. are LEGAL. Immigrants don’t resist learning English and integrating into our culture, because demand for English classes overwhelms the actual supply for it. Interest in these classes (NYC for example) is so intense that there is a lottery to determine who gets the spot in the classes.

80% of legal immigrants arrive here to join close family members, and after that American companies bring in immigrants legally to get skilled workers because there are no qualified Americans to fill that job. And third, many gain “admission” because they flee political persecution.

And guess what? Ben Franklin said this about the Germans in the 1790s: “They’ll never assimilate, learn English, or understand freedom.” The Germans showed him, as the Mexicans can.

Also, immigrants are slightly more likely than Americans to have a graduate/professional degree. And both Americans and immigrants have similar rates in self-employment/entrepreneurship.

It is not as easy as many think to get citizenship to this country. Even if they do gain legal entry into America, they have to WAIT 6 whole freakin’ years till they can actually get it.

And just in case, the sources for many of these FACTS are the U.S. Census Bureau, the Center for Immigration Studies, the U.S. Department of Labor, and the Immigration and Naturalization Services.

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[quote]NorskGoddess wrote:
I have often leaned towards the side of tolerance and understanding on some of these immigration issues, especially considering the southwest’s economic dependance on many of these workers.

But now, quite frankly, I’m pissed.

The more I read, the angrier I get, and I think many Americans can relate. This massive movement WILL cause some policy changes in Washington, especially when vote-hungry politicos consider the “Sleeping Giant” that is the Hispanic voter. However, I don’t think that the organizers of this movement are anticipating the backlash that is inevitable. I hope that those who oppose this kind of legalized law-breaking will eventually get their act together and compel their elected officials to do the same.

Imagine: If Americans starting flocking into Mexico in droves, demanding to speak only English, popping out babies, demanding social services without paying taxes, flying the American flag in their front yards, demanding the right to vote in Mexican elections… how do we think the Mexican government would respond??
[/quote]

Great post!

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I would say simply that the problem that you see in this post is of OUR making.

The U.S. Government under the leadership of BOTH the Democrats and yes, even my own party the Republicans, have created this mess by turning the “other cheek” and allowing MILLIONS and MILLIONS of illegals stream, like a flood, over the Mexican border and have done nothing about it. In the meantime, their population has grown, and due to our Constitution (which I think should be changed by amendment to prohibit people born of illegal aliens to become automatic citizens – the framers clearly never intended this to be so) the kids are full fledged citizens. To think we can deport their parents (which we should do) is ridiculous given the state of the political climate in Washington vis-a-vis the Hispanic vote.

To sum up – WE BLEW IT!

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fuck them. box them up and ship em out. how can they be a part of our society if they are here illegaly? it blows my mind. they should not have any benefits from us, the money we give them in exchange for labor should have been enough. but noooo, they got fat and lazy. now they want a free piece of pie. fuck that, you buy or you get out.blaaaww, my mind is melting just thinking about this shit. i can’t even write a comprehendable statement. i don’t even think i spelled comprehendable right. urge to kill rising.

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[quote]mazilla wrote:
fuck them. box them up and ship em out. [/quote]

I’m seeing a lot of posts like this, fellas. Come on, put y’all’s thinking caps on…

Do some research into Mexico before y’all start ranting, m’kay?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mx.html

I don’t know about you guys, but what I’m seeing here is a perfectly good candidate nation for annexation. Over one trillion GDP, natural resources of all kinds, no military to speak of…

DUH!!!

When y’all elect me president, I WILL be taking some soldiers on a field trip to visit what will soon be our 51st state. This is manifest destiny part 2… Okay, we’re ocean to ocean East to West… It’s high time to take it North to South.

That means Canada too, bitches. The only foreign border we’ll be worrying about is where to draw the line in Central America… if we stop there.

Worrying about immigration/ border control is retarded, sorry. They should be worrying about being conquered by me.

:slight_smile:

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
mazilla wrote:
fuck them. box them up and ship em out.

I’m seeing a lot of posts like this, fellas. Come on, put y’all’s thinking caps on…

Do some research into Mexico before y’all start ranting, m’kay?

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mx.html

I don’t know about you guys, but what I’m seeing here is a perfectly good candidate nation for annexation. Over one trillion GDP, natural resources of all kinds, no military to speak of…

DUH!!!

When y’all elect me president, I WILL be taking some soldiers on a field trip to visit what will soon be our 51st state. This is manifest destiny part 2… Okay, we’re ocean to ocean East to West… It’s high time to take it North to South.

That means Canada too, bitches. The only foreign border we’ll be worrying about is where to draw the line in Central America… if we stop there.

Worrying about immigration/ border control is retarded, sorry. They should be worrying about being conquered by me.

:)[/quote]

It would work. It would be better for everyone in the long run.

It certainly worked out better for the citizens on New Mexico and Southern California.

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hmmm…

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[quote]Guttus Gumptuous wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
America Drowns In IIlegal Alien Invasion

http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

Well, finally, I see a group of Mexicans not calling themselves Hispanic or Latino, considering that no mestizos or Indians are latino or Hispanic. The only people who can call themselves Latin are Spaniards, French, and Italians and the only Hispanics are Spaniards. [/quote]

No, you have that a little off.

All cultures that are related to the Spanish are Latino. This is in reference to the Latin-based language. The term Hispanic is a term made up for political reasons and is supposed to refer to only those from Mexico (coming from the old world region of Mexico “Hespania”).

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[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
hmmm…[/quote]

Nice picture, jlesk. Now you’re getting it.

Phase 1: Troop buildup

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Profit!

It’s almost too easy. I love the idea of an exploitable underclass to help me conquer the world. We’ll put a Taco Bell on every street corner if we have to. I will turn the Mexican people against their own rabid nationalists, and make the conquering of Mexico all the easier. Hell, we may not even have to fire a single shot if I twist it right.

The only people I will have to deal with being against me are the pussies who will whine “No Blood for Tequila!” or some shit. That better not be any one of you assholes, or I’ll have to stomp ya. :slight_smile:

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Deporting 11 to 12 million illegal immigrants is completely impractical and politicians should just push that idea aside immediately.

An idea that I heard at the gym today was to fine any business knowlingly hiring illegal immigrants.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
hmmm…

Nice picture, jlesk. Now you’re getting it.

Phase 1: Troop buildup

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Profit!

[/quote]

I loved that SouthPark!