[quote]doogie wrote:
He diddled those girls and faced no consequences.
The good Christian family allowed him to continue diddling the girls after they knew it was happening.
The good Christian family-friend sheriff (who was later convicted of child pornorgraphy) just gave the diddler a stern talk rather than arresting him.
That’s not a media witch-hunt, no matter how Huckabee wants to spin it. That’s just plain old fucked up shit.[/quote]
Spot on. How would his tune change if this was an atheist liberal person?
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Lena Dunham diddled her sister as a baby, what did he say about that?[/quote]
I thought about this too, and I dont’ know the extent it is comparable. Both seem pretty much, 100% wrong to me.
The biggest mind fuck in all this is, what if you were the parents? How hard (ignore what the Duggars did for sake of argument for a second) would it be to bring your boy to the police station if he came to you and admitted this?
I’d be devastated, but I’d do it. Spoke with my wife and she would too. You have too. My fear is the parents that wouldn’t.
The biggest mind fuck in all this is, what if you were the parents? How hard (ignore what the Duggars did for sake of argument for a second) would it be to bring your boy to the police station if he came to you and admitted this?
I’d be devastated, but I’d do it. Spoke with my wife and she would too. You have too. My fear is the parents that wouldn’t. [/quote]
THAT is a very tough question.[/quote]
It’s god damn terrifying to think about.
I think I’d rather have my kids end up junkies than be a monster like this.
[quote]doogie wrote:
He diddled those girls and faced no consequences.
The good Christian family allowed him to continue diddling the girls after they knew it was happening.
The good Christian family-friend sheriff (who was later convicted of child pornorgraphy) just gave the diddler a stern talk rather than arresting him.
That’s not a media witch-hunt, no matter how Huckabee wants to spin it. That’s just plain old fucked up shit.[/quote]
Spot on. How would his tune change if this was an atheist liberal person?
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Lena Dunham diddled her sister as a baby, what did he say about that?[/quote]
I don’t believe he made comment or likely knows who Lena Dunham is? I’m doubtful he would have rushed to her defense.
He had no problem calling the President’s parenting out for his teenage daughters listening to Beyonce.
I don’t think this is defensible as a good people make mistakes thing. Yeah good people do make mistakes. Repeatedly molesting your siblings isn’t a mistake.
I haven’t read everything on it, but it seems as if the parents didn’t remove him from the situation either?
Is a 14 year old feeling up young girls pedophilia? I agree it’s wrong, but 14 is probably still pre or at least early puberty. I think calling him a pedophile is a bit of a misnomer. It isn’t the same thing as a grown man doing it.
What gets me about the whole thing is the outrage of people who will still go see Polanski films. This is the same industry that supports and respects a pedophile who drugged and rapped a 13 year old then fled justice after convicted.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Is a 14 year old feeling up young girls pedophilia? I agree it’s wrong, but 14 is probably still pre or at least early puberty. I think calling him a pedophile is a bit of a misnomer. It isn’t the same thing as a grown man doing it.
What gets me about the whole thing is the outrage of people who will still go see Polanski films. This is the same industry that supports and respects a pedophile who drugged and rapped a 13 year old then fled justice after convicted. [/quote]
Hollywood in general supposedly has a deep dark underground of child molestation and pedophilia that goes unpunished and under-reported.
For a kid as sheltered as Josh undoubtedly was, this is not totally outside the realm of normal behavior, according to planned parenthood. Its still F’d up but I don’t think its pedophilia. On the Megyn Kelly report last night she quoted the stat that 90-95% of boys who committed these horrible acts between ages 12-14 will not do them again. This would suggest that pedophilia is not the driving factor as the incidence of repeat offense in true pedophiles is much, much greater.
For a kid as sheltered as Josh undoubtedly was, this is not totally outside the realm of normal behavior, according to planned parenthood. Its still F’d up but I don’t think its pedophilia. On the Megyn Kelly report last night she quoted the stat that 90-95% of boys who committed these horrible acts between ages 12-14 will not do them again. This would suggest that pedophilia is not the driving factor as the incidence of repeat offense in true pedophiles is much, much greater. [/quote]
Yeah I agree. It is not ok, and it is not defensible. However, it is also not pedophilia or ‘abnormal’ to become sexually curious. The problem of course is that the kid is so sheltered and so cut-off that the only outlet for this was totally inappropriate by all measures. I was thinking about this same topic last night.
I’m also not going to defend the behavior in this following statement either but: how many kids lose their virginity at 14-15? Tens of thousands. I know people personally that did. Shit this kind of thing is all over conservative news outlets off and on. In fact, in another thread Varq mentioned the rate of sexualization in Japan by family members as being extremely high! Now I’m not going to say that’s normal or ok, but even considering a vastly, vastly different culture between the sides of the Pacific, one is forced to realize that thousands upon thousands of kids are having sexual experiences of some kind at this age.
So one cannot say this is pedophilia, and one also has to face the fact that behavior of this kind–in GENERAL–is not statistically rare, at this age. Behavior of the specific kind that the Duggar boy showed is not ok. However for a kid as sheltered as he is, its probably the only outlet that he knew. That does not by any stretch make it ok, but it does mean that the boy is not a nascent pedophile.
I have big issues with how the family chose to deal with this. I also have to admit that throwing the boy to the police is not something that I’d be able to easily do either and I think anybody that does say that they would turn him in (without any thoughts at all) has never had a kid and is talking out of their ass. That’s a hard decision, and either way it’s going to be something nightmarish to deal with.
I still don?t see what the parents did all that wrong. The worst thing they did was probably wait to go to the police, but I think a lot of parents would never have even done that. They sent the boy to hard labor and made all the kids involved go to counseling.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I still don?t see what the parents did all that wrong. The worst thing they did was probably wait to go to the police, but I think a lot of parents would never have even done that. They sent the boy to hard labor and made all the kids involved go to counseling.[/quote]
True, all you have to see is Mike Brown’s mom or anybody else sobbing into a camera going “he was such a GOOD boy, he wouldn’t hurt a fly” after a criminal tragedy occurs to know that many parents remain blindly ignorant–some intentionally, some unintentionally–to the very serious flaws and problems their kids have that need to be addressed ASAFP.
Duggars: The counseling wasn’t legitimate. That is something I have a BIG problem with. The wife flat out admitted he never saw a counselor. A huuuuge problem. The “camp” or “program” or whatever they called it wasn’t even a legitimate damn program!
The initial reaction after the first incident in 2002 I don’t have too much of a problem with…although I do not know what this “discipline” consisted of. I think many people would react in more or less the same fashion though: give the kid a huge talk on acceptable behaviors with women, family, and everything else, and give him the beating of his life lol. Or one of many variations thereof.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I still don?t see what the parents did all that wrong. The worst thing they did was probably wait to go to the police, but I think a lot of parents would never have even done that. They sent the boy to hard labor and made all the kids involved go to counseling.[/quote]
True, all you have to see is Mike Brown’s mom or anybody else sobbing into a camera going “he was such a GOOD boy, he wouldn’t hurt a fly” after a criminal tragedy occurs to know that many parents remain blindly ignorant–some intentionally, some unintentionally–to the very serious flaws and problems their kids have that need to be addressed ASAFP.
Duggars: The counseling wasn’t legitimate. That is something I have a BIG problem with. The wife flat out admitted he never saw a counselor. A huuuuge problem. The “camp” or “program” or whatever they called it wasn’t even a legitimate damn program!
The initial reaction after the first incident in 2002 I don’t have too much of a problem with…although I do not know what this “discipline” consisted of. I think many people would react in more or less the same fashion though: give the kid a huge talk on acceptable behaviors with women, family, and everything else, and give him the beating of his life lol. Or one of many variations thereof.
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Last I heard it was paid “professional” counseling. I guess I don’t know what that really means.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You fellers that keep throwing the “sheltered” accusation up in the air need have some evidence that this was actually the case. If you’re saying that strictly because you read the boy was home-schooled then you’re about to get a paddling for being ignorant.[/quote]
I’d also need to see some for why a lot of highly sexualized children do stuff way worse.